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The Dark Shape
Extraordinary
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:56 am Posts: 12119 Location: Adrift in L.A.
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I've seen the film three times in theaters, and people always scream during the deer attack. It's a nice jump scare.
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:57 pm |
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sako
Indiana Jones IV
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:07 pm Posts: 1684
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The Dark Shape wrote: I've seen the film three times in theaters, and people always scream during the deer attack. It's a nice jump scare.
Same here, the deers do look bad, but the scene was effective.
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:08 pm |
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FILMO
The Original
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:19 am Posts: 9808 Location: Suisse
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I never saw Ring 1 and so that was my first Ring. I thought it was lame and does not deserve the titel Horror. It was simply not shocking or thrilling for me. Not my thing.
The little girl should wash herself and go to the Hairdresser. Thats all I can say about Ring Two. Go see another Horror movie
3/10.
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Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:33 pm |
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baumer72
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:00 pm Posts: 7087 Location: Crystal Lake
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The problem with Ring 2 is that it dishonours everything that made the first so scary. Samara was the driving force behind everyhting that scared the hell out of us in the first. In this one, I could have taken her. It reminded me more of the Scary Movie 3 parody of Saamara than a Ring sequel. Aand the deer scene was so lame and then to try and sum it up by placing some antlers in the basement.....lame lame lame. I wish they would have either just left this film alone or else hired Verbinski back to finish the job.
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Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:47 pm |
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Maverikk
Award Winning Bastard
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:03 am Posts: 15310 Location: Slumming at KJ
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baumer72 wrote: The problem with Ring 2 is that it dishonours everything that made the first so scary. Samara was the driving force behind everyhting that scared the hell out of us in the first.
The first Ring probably shouldn't even qualify as a horror movie , because it wasn't scary at all. 
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Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:24 pm |
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Libs
Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48677 Location: Arlington, VA
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Maverikk wrote: baumer72 wrote: The problem with Ring 2 is that it dishonours everything that made the first so scary. Samara was the driving force behind everyhting that scared the hell out of us in the first. The first Ring probably shouldn't even qualify as a horror movie , because it wasn't scary at all. 
Oh, yes, it was. [-(
Hee.
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Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:54 pm |
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Maverikk
Award Winning Bastard
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Libs wrote: Oh, yes, it was. [-(
Hee.
I get scareder watching the sun set.
I know, that was so corny, that somebody should dress me in a white suit, stick a bucket of chicken in my hands, and call me the kernel.
*starts slapping knee as if I invented comedy* :laugh:
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Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:19 pm |
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baumer72
Mod Team Leader
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Maverikk wrote: Libs wrote: Oh, yes, it was. [-(
Hee. I get scareder watching the sun set. I know, that was so corny, that somebody should dress me in a white suit, stick a bucket of chicken in my hands, and call me the kernel. *starts slapping knee as if I invented comedy* :laugh:
XXX was better than Die Another Day. :razz:
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Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:32 pm |
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FILMO
The Original
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:19 am Posts: 9808 Location: Suisse
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Something that really sucks about Ring 2 is the way they use the music. You can hear when something is gonna happen. No surprises here.
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Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:35 pm |
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zingy
College Boy Z
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662
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I've added a poll to this thread. Seems very split.
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Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:13 pm |
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addr0ck
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:41 am Posts: 464
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The Ring Two... where do I start...
...I came to see this movie because my co-worker's house was used as Rachel's house, really. Not his furniture, but it's cool anyway. I let Dkmuto (or makeshift) in on what the last shot of the film was a few months back and it seems like they used the re-shot ending. I had the impression that they were filming multiple endings that would depend on whether or not Niamoi Watts could be wooed back for another sequel.
I really like The Ring, even thought I had seen Ringu first I thought that Verbinski did a fantastic job taking the subject matter (the tape) and really wrapping the whole film in that sense of video induced dread. The film looked waterlogged... hair was wet everywhere, the world looked colorless and dead.
The Ring Two takes those ideas, but feels like a pretender to the crown. And while there are some scares (Samara's walk up the well was quite creepy) a lot of it had the aura of spirtuality which I really disliked about Ringu. To me, horror or fantasy mostly works (in this world) when there is ONE supernatural event taking place... in the first movie it was Samara. And while I understand the imprinting and such that Samara does on her victims, the overabundence of dream-sharing, psychic friendly chats, and misc. garbage really bogs the film down.
There are plot holes you can drive a freight train through... Okay, Rachel and Adian have just moved to Astoria from Seattle, but nobody says anything about the dead waterlogged former lover/boyfriend/father that winds up dead that is also related to the mysterious death of her niece? And Max is such a piss poor reporter than he doesn't look into the background of the girl he clearly wants to bed?
What about the nurse, who kills herself sitting on a chair in an open room of a boy, who escapes to go home. Okay, I can buy that. But the police not showing up at the residence to find the kid? The police not hunting down Rachel to find out if she killed the nurse?
What about poor Max. How is Rachel and Adian, now Samara free, going to explain the fact that nearly everyone that comes into contact with Rachel dies a horrible water logged death. Do they just leave him in his car out on the street?
There was an interesting plotline in Ring Two, and that was the kids passing the tape around, underground style, with full knowledge of the danger they are putting their friends and random people at risk with. All this goes away after the first thirty minutes.
And I actually (despite the piss poor CG) thought the deer scene was a fantastic and disturbing element. It didn't come close the ferry sequence, but the movie did nothing with it after that point.
Oh well... it's not the poorest sequel I've ever seen but the thing just doesn't work.
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Magic Mike
Wallflower
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35198 Location: Minnesota
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Mike, you're an interesting grader. Had I not seen that B-, just by reading your review, I would have guessed quite a bit lower.
Key words you used like "really disappointed," "pointless," "major disappointment," "lame," "half-assed," and "not scary" don't really scream a B-, even though you said you weren't bored and that it got better towards the end.
There are a few people here actually that have Ring II reviews that don't match their grades.
I know it sounds like I hated the movie, but I didn't. It was "good," just compared to the first it's not. I expected to give it an 8/10 (B+). (I gave the first a 9/10 or A-) I just thought the sequel would be a lot of fun even if it wasn't great like the first. Which is why I was really disappointed. And the movie does end up being pointless and just an excuse to make some more money off from the first film's success. That doesn't mean I didn't find it entertaining at all, it just isn't a "great film." I did find a lot of things lame and it doesn't feel like they put much effort into the movie (and I'm blaming Hideous Nakata more since RINGU SUCKED! Gore Verbinski could have made this work much better). And I rarely find movies scary so saying this one isn't is not that big of a deal. The first I found creepy and it made me jump a few times, but this one didn't make me jump at all. We've seen most of this before so it's just not surprising or scary anymore. And the deer scene is kind of cool yet made laughable by the horrible CGI! This will be some of the worst CGI of the year! I'm one of the few people that actually thought the horse scene in the first was really cool. It was certainly MUCH better than this deer scene and worked in a MUCH better way. I didn't find it laughable in the first and was able to take it seriously.
Anyway, all in all I thought it was decent entertainment, but not a quality film like the first. This one is just mindless popcorn entertainment.
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Riggs
We had our time together
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:36 am Posts: 13299 Location: Vienna
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I absolutely loved The Ring (A). So it's sequel was a HUGE disapointment for me. This movie was as boring as it can get. It had about two cool scenes, not more. Hated it. D
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Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:56 am |
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Riggs
We had our time together
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:36 am Posts: 13299 Location: Vienna
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baumer72 wrote: Maverikk wrote: Libs wrote: Oh, yes, it was. [-(
Hee. I get scareder watching the sun set. I know, that was so corny, that somebody should dress me in a white suit, stick a bucket of chicken in my hands, and call me the kernel. *starts slapping knee as if I invented comedy* :laugh: XXX was better than Die Another Day. :razz:
Absolutely. =D>
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Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:58 am |
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Bell
Indiana Jones IV
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:02 am Posts: 1906 Location: Middle Of Nowhere
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i liked The Ring Two although the first one is better. but it's completely different with The Ring 2 (japanese version), this time it has more story. maybe you guys should watch the japanese version to compare it with this one. Hollywood version is much more better. i enjoy the movie very much, and the other reason is my dear Naomi Watts.  well the scary meter doesn't reach the first one. few scenes makes people around me jump off their seats, but not me. so i still consider is a good movie. my grade is A
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MovieDude
Where will you be?
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Y'know, I did a lot of thinking about it, and I think the reason that Samara ceased to be scary was how they changed her around. No longer was she this malevolent force, this unstoppable wraith that would be felt subtly but only reveal herself at a certain point, now they made her seem just like this wet little girl, not a lot more. When she's moving jerkily towards someone no matter what they do to try and prevent it... that's frightening. The idea that there is this unstoppable ghost that doesn't care about anything but scaring you to death is something that would frighten anyone. But here she was just this ghost trying to posess a kid. It's funny how the main point everyone cites as the scariest was the one the most like the first, when she's crawling out of the well with that rickety crab walk hissing. If they hadn't shown her as this mopey little ghost so much it could've had far more dread.
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Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:47 am |
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Riggs
We had our time together
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:36 am Posts: 13299 Location: Vienna
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I just hoped Aidan would die after 15 minutes. 
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Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:54 am |
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Bell
Indiana Jones IV
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Riggs27 wrote: I just hoped Aidan would die after 15 minutes. 
why?
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baumer72
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Bell wrote: Riggs27 wrote: I just hoped Aidan would die after 15 minutes.  why?
Because he was annoying.
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Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:11 am |
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Bell
Indiana Jones IV
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:02 am Posts: 1906 Location: Middle Of Nowhere
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baumer72 wrote: Bell wrote: Riggs27 wrote: I just hoped Aidan would die after 15 minutes.  why? Because he was annoying.
oh okay i see. 
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:05 am |
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Bell
Indiana Jones IV
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:02 am Posts: 1906 Location: Middle Of Nowhere
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baumer72 wrote: Bell wrote: Riggs27 wrote: I just hoped Aidan would die after 15 minutes.  why? Because he was annoying.
oh okay i see. 
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dar
Indiana Jones IV
Joined: Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:01 pm Posts: 1702
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addr0ck wrote: The Ring Two... where do I start...
...I came to see this movie because my co-worker's house was used as Rachel's house, really. Not his furniture, but it's cool anyway. I let Dkmuto (or makeshift) in on what the last shot of the film was a few months back and it seems like they used the re-shot ending. I had the impression that they were filming multiple endings that would depend on whether or not Niamoi Watts could be wooed back for another sequel.
I really like The Ring, even thought I had seen Ringu first I thought that Verbinski did a fantastic job taking the subject matter (the tape) and really wrapping the whole film in that sense of video induced dread. The film looked waterlogged... hair was wet everywhere, the world looked colorless and dead.
The Ring Two takes those ideas, but feels like a pretender to the crown. And while there are some scares (Samara's walk up the well was quite creepy) a lot of it had the aura of spirtuality which I really disliked about Ringu. To me, horror or fantasy mostly works (in this world) when there is ONE supernatural event taking place... in the first movie it was Samara. And while I understand the imprinting and such that Samara does on her victims, the overabundence of dream-sharing, psychic friendly chats, and misc. garbage really bogs the film down.
There are plot holes you can drive a freight train through... Okay, Rachel and Adian have just moved to Astoria from Seattle, but nobody says anything about the dead waterlogged former lover/boyfriend/father that winds up dead that is also related to the mysterious death of her niece? And Max is such a piss poor reporter than he doesn't look into the background of the girl he clearly wants to bed?
What about the nurse, who kills herself sitting on a chair in an open room of a boy, who escapes to go home. Okay, I can buy that. But the police not showing up at the residence to find the kid? The police not hunting down Rachel to find out if she killed the nurse?
What about poor Max. How is Rachel and Adian, now Samara free, going to explain the fact that nearly everyone that comes into contact with Rachel dies a horrible water logged death. Do they just leave him in his car out on the street?
There was an interesting plotline in Ring Two, and that was the kids passing the tape around, underground style, with full knowledge of the danger they are putting their friends and random people at risk with. All this goes away after the first thirty minutes.
And I actually (despite the piss poor CG) thought the deer scene was a fantastic and disturbing element. It didn't come close the ferry sequence, but the movie did nothing with it after that point.
Oh well... it's not the poorest sequel I've ever seen but the thing just doesn't work. Great review. I agree with most of it, although I didn't really care much about the plot holes... probably because I didn't care much about the movie, full stop. I was just not very interested... By the way, hasn't anyone noticed the resemblance between this film adn "Nightmare on Elm Street 2"? Both were about the baddie trying to possess someone's body and entering the real world, therefore breaking the rules they set in the first movie (Wether it's dreams or tapes). Mainly, IMO, both are not good and I guess It could be argued that are considered generally worse movies than the original and dissapointing for (most of) their fans... I iknow this sounds very geeky, but hey, I just saw NOES2 a few weeks ago...
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:54 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
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Riggs27 wrote: baumer72 wrote: Maverikk wrote: Libs wrote: Oh, yes, it was. [-(
Hee. I get scareder watching the sun set. I know, that was so corny, that somebody should dress me in a white suit, stick a bucket of chicken in my hands, and call me the kernel. *starts slapping knee as if I invented comedy* :laugh: XXX was better than Die Another Day. :razz: Absolutely. =D>
Nope!
But that doesn't say much anyway...
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Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:52 pm |
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Mister Ecks
New Server, Same X
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I never saw the first film until last weekend, because I knew I would want to see both back to back, so I rented the first, then saw this today. The first film is great, I loved it. I may have thought of it as one of my favorite movies if I didn't keep thinking of Scary Movie 3. Damn, why did I see Scary Movie 3 before The Ring? In fact, why did I even see Scary Movie 3?! It did a great job at spoofing The Ring, but it ruined The Ring for me at times. Still, I would give The Ring an A/A-. Possibly would squeak in my top 100.
I've been mulling over how to tackle The Ring Two, review-wise. I'll first say that the deer scene was pretty freaky at first, but the CGI thing did kind of ruin it. Still wasn't as terrible as some say. Aidan was fairly annoying at parts, too. But, this is what I get for reading all the reviews first. I should just write my damn review first, THEN read the reviews. Oh well. There's new elements to the movie, but nothing substantial enough to really give this sequel a reason. The Ring was new and fresh, but this doesn't even add much at all. And, the faces were far more freaky in the first film.
And, this is far from scary. The first film isn't even all that scary either, but again, that may be Scary Movie 3's fault, which is why I can't blame The Ring, which did come first. One scene that was fairly scary was near the end, with Samara climbing up the well after Rachel. I just thought it looked like a dream (how she was quickly ascending the walls), and dreams are usually far more scary than anything in movies. And, even as corny and lame as it probably came off, the "I'm not your fuckin' mommy" line put a nice little stamp on The Ring Two at the end. So bad, it was good, that line.
Just to be safe, I'm going in the middle here, and grading it a B-. Far from the classic The Ring, but far from the god-awful disappointment that some make it out to be.
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Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:46 pm |
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Spidey
Teenage Dream
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The Ring Two
This movie was a disappointment, but it was not terrible. The original was better and this movie was more like a drama than a horror film. I guess this would be a horror drama then. They should have stuck with Gore Verbinski to direct this installment. My favorite line in the movie is "I'm not your fucking mommy". This could have been a lot better.
Grade: C+
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