Will Brian Williams be fired or resign?
Will Brian Williams be fired or resign?
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David
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 Will Brian Williams be fired or resign?
 Quote: It is a “thing that you build slowly, over time,” according to grandiloquent promos last fall that extolled Brian Williams’s 10th anniversary as anchor of “NBC Nightly News.” Over shots of Mr. Williams talking to soldiers and small children in war zones and disaster areas, the narrator, Michael Douglas, adds, “And what you build, if you work hard enough, if you respect it, is a powerful thing called trust.”
It may take 10 years to earn it, but trust in news anchors can be shaken in less than 10 minutes.
And that’s the hard lesson of Mr. Williams’s brush with scandal for telling a tale — more than once — about being under fire in a helicopter in Iraq in 2003 that turned out not to be true. When a recent NBC News segment repeated the false version, veterans who witnessed the event complained on Facebook, and the military newspaper Stars and Stripes published an article about the fudged facts.
On the NBC evening newscast on Thursday, Mr. Williams looked a little subdued but said nothing more about the disputed event.
On Wednesday, he had apologized for what he described as a “bungled attempt by me to thank one special veteran and by extension our brave military men and women veterans everywhere.”
What’s interesting, of course, is why he twisted the facts in the first place.
Public figures have differing reasons for embellishing their bona fides, but it most often is in the service of compensating for a perceived inadequacy or vulnerability. And television is a double-edged enabler; the camera can aggrandize normal people, but it can also undo grandiosity.
Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut stumbled during his 2010 campaign when The New York Times found a videotape of him telling a veterans group in 2008 that he had served in Vietnam. He hadn’t. Mr. Blumenthal sought multiple deferments, and when he ran out of them in 1970, he won a coveted niche in the Marine Reserve in Washington.
Mr. Blumenthal did serve in the military at the time of the Vietnam War, but he led people to believe he had been in harm’s way.
Hillary Rodham Clinton made a similar gaffe during her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008. She described having dashed across the tarmac to dodge sniper fire during a 1996 visit to Bosnia when she was first lady. Video of the event quickly surfaced that showed Mrs. Clinton and her daughter, Chelsea, calmly and safely shaking hands with local dignitaries. Mrs. Clinton had to admit she misspoke.
Mrs. Clinton at the time was running on her experience and knowledge of the world. Bosnia wasn’t a safe place to be in 1996. It’s just that the airport tarmac on that day wasn’t nearly as dangerous as Mrs. Clinton preferred to remember it.
Mr. Williams has been NBC’s chief anchor for a decade, and the truth about television news is that the higher you rise, the less real reporting you do. Anchors mostly travel to war zones and disaster areas to show the flag and signal the story’s magnitude; wars, disasters and presidential visits serve as backdrops. Anchors aren’t there to ask questions and take notes; they are there to bolster network prestige and project their own journalistic derring-do, donning work shirts, flak jackets and helmets to look the part.
But they also take risks and experience fear and discomfort and far worse: the NBC reporter David Bloom died covering the Iraq war in 2003; in 2006, ABC’s anchor, Bob Woodruff, suffered a brain injury and almost died in Iraq. Mr. Williams wasn’t in the helicopter that took RPG fire — he was in a different one behind it. But he was in a front-line zone in 2003, and he and his crew were grounded for several days in a sandstorm.
His experience wasn’t as perilous as he painted it to be, but it was certainly dangerous and scary. This was a year before he became the chief anchor, two years before he made his bones covering Hurricane Katrina, and Mr. Williams back then was still seen by many as a television star whose rise had more to do with his suave manner and good looks (he was one of GQ’s men of the year in 2001) than hardship posts overseas.
War stories get more polished in the retelling, and the temptation to self-aggrandize is all the greater, and easier, for people who are puffed up by the camera lens and the cult of celebrity. By the time Mr. Williams told the story to David Letterman in 2013, he sounded like Sergeant York.
A public apology is just the first step, and Mr. Williams’s mea culpa wasn’t very humble. He made his fib sound like a one-time misguided effort to pay homage to veterans. This time Mr. Williams really is under fire: He must now endure days of media scrutiny, schadenfreude from his rivals and an overflow of social media scorn, snark and satire. He has been at the top of his field and the ratings for a decade, but time has shown that these kinds of disgraces linger, not so much forgotten as sometimes subsumed by the next celebrity misstep.
The weirdest thing about the scandal is that Mr. Williams didn’t make a journalistic blunder — as, say, the former CBS anchor Dan Rather did in 2004 with a flawed “60 Minutes” report on President George W. Bush’s service in the National Guard. (As a result, Mr. Rather was forced to step down as “CBS Evening News” anchor.) But these days, network newscasts are so personality-driven that the anchor’s personal life — and in Mr. William’s case, that includes his daughter’s acting career — is flaunted on the air and treated like news. And by that equation, a personal failing looms almost as large as a professional one.
Those puffy NBC promos that promote Mr. Williams’s “battle scars” and “integrity” don’t help. As one of them puts it, “You can’t see experience, but you know it when it’s there.” http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/06/arts/ ... story.html
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David
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I find this situation sad and strange. Because I dig Williams. He is great (charismatic, photogenic) on camera. He is very fun on late-night shows. He does a solid nightly newscast.
But this is super embarrassing and a bit creepy. No one misremembers whether or not they were in a helicopter shot by an RPG. Honestly. And his story obviously evolved and became more and more dangerous sounding and ornate over time. So, he 100-percent lied. And this does put his credibility in question. Of course, the media is full of bullshitters and sensationalists, but this is different than, say, Fox News' severe, ideological, catering-to-a-certain-demographic framing of stories.
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Neither.
I read a whole write up on USA Today where they were talking to a psychologist explaining how this could be a simple misunderstanding. Their reasoning was that people sometimes can alter a memory so much that it becomes true to them even though it is not the exact way things occurred. You see so Williams may have really believed he was in a helicopter that got shot down. It has been a long time and he has been in many war zones so the true memory may have blended with other memories and he just lost track of the true memory.
Whatever the case. Personally, I think he should step down. People watch him and listen because they trust him to a certain extent and he lies about something this petty? Then again, he didn't do it under oath and that guy didn't step down.
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If you are forced to land because of fire, will your attention be on exactly which helicopter was shot at? I could understand someone perceiving it as themselves being shot at. Did he really have much to gain by lying?
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Dr. Lecter
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But his helicopter was apparently one hour away from the helicopters that were fired at. One hour!
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He should have the balls to resign and if he doesn't he should be fired.
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Mister Ecks
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One time I was held up at gunpoint by three menacing individuals that were high on crystal meth and willing to shoot me in the head for six bucks.
Or maybe I dreamed that. There's no way of knowing for sure.
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Rev
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Forgive and forget :-( I like BW Mister Ecks wrote: One time I was held up at gunpoint by three menacing individuals that were high on crystal meth and willing to shoot me in the head for six bucks.
Or maybe I dreamed that. There's no way of knowing for sure. Or maybe you were playing GTA.
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neo_wolf
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He should step down but he won't.
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Caius
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He won't step down. However, I was reading that Brokaw was calling for his scalp, at least per an unnamed source at NBC, so maybe something will come of this. http://pagesix.com/2015/02/05/tom-brokaw-wants-brian-williams-fired/I watch Williams nightly at the gym. May be switching to Pelley.
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I'm of the minority who believe that the nightly news is an immensely important platform that informs our populous. I think it's clear he embellished the story for perceived personal gain, and while I don't think the lie is overly immense, I think it does destroy any trust in him to report the news.
I prefer he resign, I don't believe he will, so I hope he is reassigned off the nightly news.
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Mister Ecks
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Rev wrote: Forgive and forget :-( I like BW Mister Ecks wrote: One time I was held up at gunpoint by three menacing individuals that were high on crystal meth and willing to shoot me in the head for six bucks.
Or maybe I dreamed that. There's no way of knowing for sure. Or maybe you were playing GTA.  You've blown the lid clear off this mystery.
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PTSD from watching his daughter get her ass eaten.
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Mannyisthebest
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To be fair I think almost everyone has misremembered a story or exgarerated one for dramatic effect.
However he is not your crazy uncle at Thansgiving he is the news.
So imo it is different.
However memory and dreams can mix.
As a kid I remember in the Himalaya's in India I was in a van and we were on a narrow road and had to move around a blocked truck. The van almost fell off the side of the road and there was a massive drop off the side.
That stuck with me and I had nightmares and in them the van's tire went off the road as well.
When I retold the story I said the tires went off the road as well as over time it just seemed to me to be part of what happened.
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No, but should he? Ehh, its a weird ethical line. It's the fine line between misreporting and misrepresenting (and I think there is a small line there). He should get some sort of penalty, but losing his job might be a step too far. Like the article states, he didn't make a journalistic mistake like Rather did that was egregious. Actually in a bizarre way, I think including himself in the story back then might help him long term because at least he didn't fabricate entire parts or people to the story (to my knowledge), which would be the big no-no. He just included himself, which is so fucking weird and unnecessary.
So I don't think he loses his job, but might get some time off. I also wouldn't expect to see him on a late night show or in a Fallon rap montage ever again. That part of his career is dead. Maybe at that point he'll want to retire?
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Mister Ecks
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Let's look at this from a standpoint for common sense: unless he was flying himself and no one else was with him, there are other people to corroborate (or debunk, as it were) this story, so why would he be so foolish to risk this getting out eventually, knowing it wasn't true? Take out the integrity and ethical part, and just question his intelligence on it.
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Jmart wrote: I also wouldn't expect to see him on a late night show or in a Fallon rap montage ever again. That part of his career is dead. Maybe at that point he'll want to retire? Depending on where this ends up, I don't think that part of his career is dead. The liberal media will be more forgiving on this. If he were a FOX News reporter, they would call for his head. God that sounds like something an asshole conservative would say, but it's true. Actually to really add balance to this, FOX News regularly misrepresents and distorts the news, which is far more dangerous than anything Williams has done.
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I do find it hilarious that people think all news reporters and journalists are to held to the highest moral standards when they are clearly never are. How many are friends of politicians or friends of people that they cover. How many have private interests in companies they report on? How many get paid to speak for people and companies they report on? How many pick and chose stories to their bias?
All I listed is from Canadian news which has much higher ethical standards then American news. So I imagine in the US its far worse.
It is more of a case he was caught in the act then him being a bad character in a sea of Goodness.
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Quote: NBC News has assigned the head of its own investigative unit to look into statements that anchor Brian Williams made about his reporting in Iraq a dozen years ago, an episode that's ballooned into a full-blown credibility crisis for the network.
NBC News President Deborah Turness announced the probe in an internal memo on Friday. Williams has apologized for falsely saying on the air that he was in a helicopter hit by a rocket-propelled grenade while in Iraq in 2003, and Turness said Friday the anchor expressed his regrets to his colleagues for the impact the episode has had.
"As you would expect, we have a team dedicated to gathering the facts to help us make sense of all that has transpired," Turness wrote. "We're working on what the best next steps are."
Richard Esposito, who has worked at the New York Daily News, New York Newsday and ABC and is now at NBC, is leading the investigation.
Williams anchored "Nightly News" from New York on Friday, making no mention of the criticisms of his work.
Questions were also raised about statements Williams made on coverage of Hurricane Katrina, which was one of his proudest moments at NBC. In a 2006 interview with former Disney CEO Michael Eisner, Williams twice referenced seeing a body float down a street in New Orleans.
"When you look out of your hotel room window in the French Quarter and watch a man float by face down, when you see bodies that you last saw in Banda Aceh, Indonesia and swore to yourself that you would never see in your country," Williams said.
Several minutes later, Williams again talked about seeing the body as he discussed how it felt to cover the storm.
"I felt something get dislodged that changes the usual arm's length relationship between me and the stories I cover. These are Americans. These are my brothers and sisters. And one of them was floating by."
The remarks drew suspicion because during Katrina, there was relatively little flooding in New Orleans' French Quarter.
Williams was staying at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in New Orleans, according to an NBC source who requested anonymity because the person was not authorized to speak on personnel matters. http://news.yahoo.com/nbc-launches-inte ... 24300.html
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i.hope
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NBC News should make him resign and anyone involved in this inaccurate reporting should also be held responsible.
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Caius
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Mannyisthebest wrote: However he is not your crazy uncle at Thansgiving he is the news.
Are you the crazy uncle at your family's Thanksgiving or do your siblings (if you have any) as of yet have no children?
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And people ask me why I don't work in news anymore. This happens all the time. That scene in Broadcast News where Hollie Hunter goes nuts doesn't exist anymore. Most people hate helicopters, add in guns, you're in Iraq in a war, and a warning that gunfire has been on your route, any normal person would shit there pants. Definitely not the worst lie I ever heard (An anecdote will always be more fun than a scripted news story), people exaggerate their stories all the time (I'm sure everyone rolls their eyes at a grandpa/father story) William's was simply stupid, making a mistake while thanking someone. Fired, unfired, at the end of the day the next person reading your news has lied before too. Should you be fired for giving your resume an extra punch? If you're good at your job, of course not. Get Williams a suitcase full of blow, now you're talking.
News is crazy though with this kind of thing. During Hurricane Irene, one of the anchors refused to come in because his family was in danger and he was fired on the spot. Guy had been there for 7 years. Definitely one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
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David
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I always wondered why Thegun left broadcast news.
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