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mary
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 2046 - Christopher Doyle slammed it
Trying to enter to this page
http://www.2046themovie.com/
BTW, In Jan 2005, Tony Leung accepted a interview with a Hong Kong newspaper.
(Therefore, this website is a Chinese[Big5] website.)
http://www.wenweipo.com/news.phtml?news ... &cat=011EN
In the interview, Tony Leung says that he will come to the US to promote 2046 in May-June 2005. 
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dolcevita
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Actually I'm wondering about this movie from the other thread about martial arts flicks. It seems like an attempt at esoteric martial arts, which is a bit of a paradox initself, so I'd love to see where it goes. I went to IMDB and found out all of the female actresses' names in the movie where numbers, etc. So I'm assuming that in the year 2046 they are basically robot models. I don't know much else about it, since first I heard about it was after asking Xia about his avatar. Is one of the sources Bladerunner?
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Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:28 pm |
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Alex Y.
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This movie has nothing to do with martial arts. Though there is a very small part that has sci-fi/robotic elements in it, 2046 is really a drama more similar to Lost in Translation and The Aviator (the relationship part of that movie). 2046 refers to the year before Hong Kong becomes officially completely part of China.
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xiayun
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It is loosely a sequal to In the Mood for Love, and the title is referring to the year 2046. It has the distinct Kar Wai Wong style.
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andaroo1
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I can't wait to see this.
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dolcevita
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So as a sequel to In the Mood for Love, is it that they meet again? I don't know, Love was pretty finite in its actions, and especially its ending, that they consciously chose not to be with eachother regardless of their feelings, because she also wants the stability of her past and taking comfort in that future. Its completely a play on repetitive acts, how they walk by eachother the same way so many times, and how they keep "practicing" how they'll they will inform their respective spouses, even though they don't. It doesn't seem like something that can be repeated without becoming too formalized a narrative style. Kind of like how original 8 1/2 was before Open Your Eyes and Vanilla Sky beat the concept of undefined dream/reality space to a bloody useless pulp. I hope Wong doesn't try to reeat In the Mood for Love. Plus the cast is too large (unless they are cameos) to really allow for a similar treatment. How is it a sequel?
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andaroo1
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It's not really a sequel, because it takes place like 90 years after In the Mood For Love.
I haven't seen it, but I hear it is sort of a meditation on what would happen to the characters in an alternate universe, in an alternate time.
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dolcevita
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My brother got his hands on a copy of this yesterday! I am so excited I can't wait to see it. Even the cover looks good! \:D/
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Bell
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Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:02 am Posts: 1906 Location: Middle Of Nowhere
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i've seen it, the concept is good but too much talking that waste the movie duration. makes me boring.
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Tue Mar 08, 2005 3:42 am |
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mary
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:35 am Posts: 1255
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I had also seen it....
This movie is useless.... :???:
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dolcevita
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Mary, Bell, my brother saw it and was so dissappointed. I'm still going to see it but, I got the sense from him that this film is mediocre and self-congratulatory. He said he thought Kar Wai Wong had "nothing to say" and that if you overanalyzed his characters you might come up with something, but otherwise it was just not a strong film.
Its too bad, I compare him to Fellini now (big surprise) and some of the other Itlaian directors that got a bit too big. He was a huge indie director that had a sense of have to work hard to get what he wanted to say out, and now that he's already got an audiance, he no longer needs a message, so to speak. I place that moment sometime between 8 1/2 and Amarcord for Fellini.  That's not to say Wong won't have his fair share of Ginger & Fred's and Intervistas still to come, but what it does mean is he's going to be a bit more hit or miss with these big productions.
Anyone else starting to worry about the big-name actress line ups? The minute the cast gets so star-studded it feels like a recipe for disaster for some reason.
On the plus side, since he had the dvd, he was talking about the interviews that are on it and said howinteresting it was to listen to Wong comment on the film industry in Hong Kong. He said basically it was all independant tycoons and that film making had not been formalized yet. With 2046 being the first film were the country asked him how he could spend so much money on a film in such economic times (or something like that). I haven't heard them for myself, so am just paraphrasing. Someone who has might better be able to explain.
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Bell
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just liek i said i love some of Wong's film in the 90's. he always had a good concept of a movie he are going to do, but for this one, just sucks and boring too much talking and etc. it's better watch his old movies once again. but different people had a different taste of movies. :wink:
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dolcevita
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I've only seen Fallen Angels and In the Mood for Love. I thought the former was ok, but saw it when I was very young. Now I remeber the scenes in that tiny room by the train and the space makes more sense to me than it did then. So it ages well in my memory. I thought In the Mood for Love was excellent. I found how he repeated the sort of whimsical tears of Chueng as a sort of performance that worked well. How they kept "practising" scenes and only immediately after does the viewer realize they were rehearsals. Also that sense of lonliness that came with getting made up before crossing the street to get a cheap bowl of rice. Very well choreographed movie as well.
I;m still going to see 2046 soon, now I'm just worried. 
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Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:57 am |
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Bell
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Fallen Angel was the best IMO. 
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mary
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I hate this movie, but I think that many people are looking forward this movie.
2046 -- open on 8/5/2005
http://www.sonyclassics.com/comingsoon. ... 281&page=3
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Dr. Lecter
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I might actually see it next week.
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publicenemy#1
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Ok... well, I heard about this film and decided to give this and In The Mood For Love a try since both of them are on Netflix. I'm guessing the 2046 disc on Netflix is a Region 0 import, I don't really mind since it says they have subtitles... When they arrive I'll have a double feature. 
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Dkmuto
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publicenemy#1 wrote: Ok... well, I heard about this film and decided to give this and In The Mood For Love a try since both of them are on Netflix. I'm guessing the 2046 disc on Netflix is a Region 0 import, I don't really mind since it says they have subtitles... When they arrive I'll have a double feature. 
Whoa! Go Netflix! Go PE! I didn't know they had it, but I'm adding it. Right now.
Thankee. 
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xXVincentxX
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I rented this film from Netflix, and it was horribly boring. I love foreign flicks, but I just couldn't sit through it. Any movie that focuses on a woman smoking a cigarette for more than 5 minutes, tends to get very boring. I just didn't like it at all. Ziyi Zhang's acting was great, but other than that this movie was a huge disppointment for me. I was expecting a movie that was a least a little interesting, this was just boring from beginning to end. In fact, the best part about it was the ending.
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publicenemy#1
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dolcevita wrote: I've only seen Fallen Angels and In the Mood for Love. I thought the former was ok, but saw it when I was very young. Now I remeber the scenes in that tiny room by the train and the space makes more sense to me than it did then. So it ages well in my memory. I thought In the Mood for Love was excellent. I found how he repeated the sort of whimsical tears of Chueng as a sort of performance that worked well. How they kept "practising" scenes and only immediately after does the viewer realize they were rehearsals. Also that sense of lonliness that came with getting made up before crossing the street to get a cheap bowl of rice. Very well choreographed movie as well. I;m still going to see 2046 soon, now I'm just worried. 
Did you see 2046 yet? (as a matter of fact, anyone else who has seen it please post what you thought...)
I just had a double feature of both In The Mood Of Love and 2046. I loved In The Mood For Love a lot but I felt 2046 wasn't very strong. The acting is very good but I just didn't enjoy it very much, and it wasn't as effective as In The Mood...
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mary
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Christopher Doyle slammed this movie.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,1530120,00.html
Quote: It has been suspected that the tortuous five-year shoot of 2046 marked the end of Doyle's collaboration with Wong Kar-Wai. 'How many five years do I have left?' Doyle confirms, exasperated. 'Honestly, that's a big part of it. I think the problem for me is that there are people I care about who are film-makers, and I'm constantly turning down films in the name of this out-of-control, unmitigated situation. The journey has been wonderful, but there are other great, great friends of mine who've been waiting for me.' He seems relieved. 'It feels like... it's like a hairball in a dog's stomach.'
Doyle believes that 'whatever artists or non-artists we are, basically we only have one thing to say. We just don't know how to say it, and you're looking for ways to articulate it.' 2046 was a kind of sequel to In the Mood for Love, and, he says: 'I feel that 2046 is unnecessary, in retrospect. I think probably Wong Kar-Wai realised that somewhere, and that's why it took so long. You do realise that you have basically said what you needed to say, so why say more? I feel that way. I think you have to move on.'
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dolcevita
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After falling of the face of the planet...I think I'm finally going to be able to watch this tomorrow. should be interesting, mostly because mixed reviews are approaching it with questions of style and substance. I was such a big fan of In the Mood, but I have to agree with Doyle that it was a stand alone.
Now from what I've heard, this is not really a sequel, just uses Love as a sort of springboard. I just have no idea what the the pool is filled with that Wai would be diving into.
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xiayun
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dolcevita wrote: After falling of the face of the planet...I think I'm finally going to be able to watch this tomorrow. should be interesting, mostly because mixed reviews are approaching it with questions of style and substance. I was such a big fan of In the Mood, but I have to agree with Doyle that it was a stand alone.
Now from what I've heard, this is not really a sequel, just uses Love as a sort of springboard. I just have no idea what the the pool is filled with that Wai would be diving into.
Eager to hear your review. 
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dolcevita
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Hmmmm. Well I finally saw it, and will be working on a full review tomorrow, but I did want to drop some initial comments down. Thinking out loud. This wasn't nearly so offensive as some had made out to be. Not here, but people I've spoken to. They said it was pretty much a well polished MTV video...fully equipped with transportation cityscapes and sultry, longing eyes, yet nothing else.
To me, it felt more like a collection of Cindy Sherman film stills or something. You can tell Wong Kar Wai has the visuals down to almost an automated form. The dark corners, the longing glances, tears, the cigarette smoke...the appropriate time for tears. What pushed In the Mood for Love to such great heights was that he used his panache for the visual cliche and really made something of it. Developed two very complex characters struggling with their sentiments for eachother along with their pasts and the rest of their lives. In 2046, he doesn't managet that feat.
Delivered in a series of vignettes in the late 60's (not 2046) with Tony Leung's character being a writer that stages short stories about the future (2046) while actually being about the hostel room next to his (he lives in room 2047). 2046 becomes more a series of voyeuristic stories about the women next door, all of whom fail in love, and the Leung (of course) who apprently has failed as well.
Where all the carefully constructed history of In the Mood went is anyone's guess, but here Kar Wai has just resorted to pulp stories and sci/fi noir still frames in order to try to push along the over two hours of film.
It would have worked fabulously as a flip book of still photographs with a narration about how people tell sectrets to holes in trees atop mountains...as a feature length film, I'm not quite so sure.
An aside...anyone notice how incredibly yonic all the hole imagery and references were? 
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publicenemy#1
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Yay, can't wait for your review. Even though some may claim this isn't a sequel to In The Mood For Love, it would help watching ITMFL before this. I gave this a C+ (I don't know whether or not to rewatch it or not...), and if I hadn't seen Mood I think my grade would be lower...
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