Wash. Navy Yard shooting; multiple deaths, injuries
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Caius
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Chippy wrote: You know what would solve this?
Banning all guns. We banned drugs. Problem solved.
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Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:17 pm |
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Chippy
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Totally the same thing. Your intelligence is beyond what I thought.
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Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:37 pm |
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Caius
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Chippy wrote: Totally the same thing. Your intelligence is beyond what I thought. Way to respond to my argument.
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Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:03 pm |
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Chippy
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You didn't make an argument. You made an ignorant statement that has nothing to do with what I said at all.
_________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:20 pm |
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Caius
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Chippy wrote: You didn't make an argument. You made an ignorant statement that has nothing to do with what I said at all. Government banned meth. People still access meth and use it and commit crimes and die from it. You propose banning guns (which are pretty much banned in DC and military bases). I posit people will still access guns and commit crimes and kill people, like the above. Dots are connected. Respond and stop pretending everyone is beneath you (ex, you are considering writing "but you are beneath me.")
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Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:39 pm |
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i.hope
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nghtvsn wrote: News flash
Almost all these shooters are lunatics of one form or another and on psychotropic drugs of some kind. Yes, many of these shooters in mass shootings (that result in four or more deaths other than the shooter) have serious mental conditions. But mass shootings only account for a tiny part of all gun-related deaths. When it comes to gun violence, most incidents do not involve lunatics shooting indiscriminately. And a few of these incidents are related to excessive use of force by law enforcement.
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Chippy
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I don't want to constantly bring up Australia on this... but...
Australia.
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Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:58 pm |
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i.hope
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Chippy wrote: I don't want to constantly bring up Australia on this... but...
Australia. What about Australia?
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Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:00 pm |
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i.hope
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Quote: Huffington Post : While the nation looked on in shock as a gunman shot down a reported 12 workers at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday morning, in the preceding weekend at least 44 shootings took place across the country, according to a Huffington Post review of news reports (there are, undoubtedly, more that were missed). A total of 57 people were shot in those incidents. Many died; some didn't. And none drew much notice outside of the communities affected. One can't keep a blind eye to these things: Quote: On Saturday afternoon, a pair of cousins were shot and killed in Newark, N.J. Damien Matteaux, 23, and Nyquese McCollum, 16, were on their way to pick up Matteaux's girlfriend when they were hit. They were murders No. 63 and 64 in Newark for the year.
Later that night, two people were shot dead in an apparent murder-suicide inside a Conway, S.C., bingo hall. The victim, Ebony Parson, 28, had run away from home after being held against her will by Richard Register, 41. According to police, he tracked her down, shot her and then turned the gun on himself.
In Columbia, S.C., on Saturday, a woman was shot and killed by a man she once dated. Zelda Kollock, 51, died from complications from gunshot wounds after being allegedly shot by John Washington, 58. Witnesses say they got into an argument, he shot her in the upper body, then moved her into her home's garage before fleeing.
Over a 24-hour period in Boston, starting at midnight on Saturday, eight people were shot in total. One of the victims, Nelson Castillo, 25, died from his wounds. Three people alone were shot outside the popular Stadium Sports Bar.
On Friday night, a 9-year-old boy was shot in the chest while playing in his grandmother's back yard in Pine Lawn, Mo. Four children were on the back patio when the incident took place, and the grandmother said she felt someone was trying to kill her family, compelling police to call the incident "an assault first [degree] on the children."
At 10 a.m. on Saturday morning, Steven Edward Briscoe, 54, was found shot dead in his driveway in Lawrenceburg, Ky. His son, a high school basketball player, was asleep in the back bedroom of the house at the time of the shooting and was only awoken when the sheriff knocked on the door.
On Friday, in the western Alaska village of Tununak, a 24-year-old father reportedly shot and killed his 2-year-old son. A police affidavit, issued on Saturday, said that the child, Kyle Moses, had been shot in the head and that the father, Edward Moses, had been upset with the child's mother for seeing another man.
At roughly 1:00 p.m. on Saturday afternoon, Kansas City police found two people shot dead inside an apartment complex.
Earlier that morning in Chicago, Miguel Delgado was fatally shot in the head. He was 19 years old and had gotten into an argument outside of a bar, police said.
The day before, in the same city, separate shootings left two 14-year-old classmates hospitalized with gunshot wounds. One of those classmates, Brianna Jones, was caught in gang crossfire and shot in the leg.
On Sunday morning, in North Philadelphia, Steve Peeples, 39, was fatally shot in the head and stomach while in his living room.
That same morning, a 13-year-old San Antonio boy died after being shot while standing in his front yard.
Friday afternoon, as the weekend neared, Aaron Addison, 22, was killed two blocks from his home, becoming Fort Myer's ninth homicide victim on the year. "They need to stop," a local woman said of the killings.
In Wilmington, Del., an 18-year-old was left with a gunshot wound in his chest and a 22-year-old suffered gunshot wounds in his left arm and thigh after a Saturday afternoon shooting.
The night before, in the same city, a 17-year-old boy was found unresponsive after being shot in the chest.
In Charlotte, N.C., two separate shootings had law enforcement and medics scrambling on Saturday. Neither resulted in life-threatening injuries.
In a late Friday shooting in York, Pa., a man, 26, was shot in the head and left with life-threatening injuries in what authorities assume was a drug turf battle.
Early on Saturday morning, a 20-year-old man from Milwaukee was shot after leaving a party. His injuries were not life threatening.
Late Friday night, a woman was shot after leaving a bar in St. Louis. Intoxicated, she went home without realizing she'd been hit, only to wake up to a gunshot wound in her leg.
At 2:00 a.m. on Sunday, police found a man shot to death in a 7-Eleven parking lot in Portsmouth, Va. While police investigated the scene, two other people showed up at a nearby hospital with gunshot injuries.
In Midwest City, Okla., six teenagers were arrested for the shooting death of a woman. She was shot in the chest after answering the front door.
In Norfolk, Va., on Saturday night, a boy and a girl were transported to a hospital after suffering non-life-threatening injuries from gunshot wounds. In Hazelton, Pa., a 40-year-old man was shot and flown to a hospital on Saturday. In Horry County, S.C., on Saturday, a portion of the highway had to be shut down after two people fired shots at a state trooper. In Norman, Okla., a man died from a gunshot wound on Saturday morning. On Friday night, in Des Moines, Iowa, 10 gunshots were fired in a drive-by shooting near an elementary school. On Saturday, in Montclair, N.J., a drive-by shooting resulted in two bullet holes in the intended victim's car.
In Rowan County, N.C., a man accidentally shot his friend in the groin while showing him a gun. In nearby Charlotte, meanwhile, Aundraveious McDowell, 19, was charged with attempted murder for shooting Warren Duvant, 22, in the groin on Friday afternoon during a dispute over a moped.
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Caius
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nghtvsn
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The problem with citing gun figures is that over half of those are suicides. Unless that's a murder suicide that is not gun violence imo. No gun? The person would use another means while you still go after a constitutional right for nothing.
Second, again with the gun violence stats, not counting mass shootings you end up with a lot of gang on gang violence. That's definite gun crime but banning my right to a gun will do nothing to prevent a criminal from utilizing guns because they will find a way to get one like they already do at present.
Finally, you (chip) have some phobia toward guns. That's fine but wanting to ban your own constitutional right makes no sense to me.
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Chippy
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Stop bringing up the Constitution like it's some unchangable piece of FUCKING PAPER. You do realize when it was written? And what the country was like back then?
Also, nowhere does it say you have the right to a gun.
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Thegun
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You only have the right to your bare arms in memory serves right.
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Caius wrote: Chippy wrote: You know what would solve this?
Banning all guns. We banned drugs. Problem solved.  Cant even imagine what the world would be like if drugs were legal. Get the idea? Gun problem would still exist with ban on guns but said problem would be far less severe.
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Caius
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Chippy wrote: Stop bringing up the Constitution like it's some unchangable piece of FUCKING PAPER. You do realize when it was written? And what the country was like back then?
Also, nowhere does it say you have the right to a gun. The Constitution is changeable and it is a piece of paper. It specifically was designed to be changed. The Bill of Rights changed it nearly at its inception. It has been changed many times and it can be done so again. Not that you would know any of this because you are an ignorant person and hateful person, but that is forgivable and how we prefer you to be. Don't worry, we will take care of you. We will pick you up when you make nothing of your life. You may still be young enough that you believe that a "big break" is just around the corner. It is not. But keep trying. You will be afforded a minimal amount of protection from the hardships of life. Not enough so that you will ever be comfortable but enough so that you will know who is in control and know that it is not you. You will grow to hate us but you will never leave us because you cannot and deep down you know this. You lack basic control over your own life so you wish to ensure others are also controlled or taken down a peg. To your level. It makes you feel better.
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i.hope
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nghtvsn wrote: The problem with citing gun figures is that over half of those are suicides. Unless that's a murder suicide that is not gun violence imo. No gun? The person would use another means while you still go after a constitutional right for nothing.
Second, again with the gun violence stats, not counting mass shootings you end up with a lot of gang on gang violence. That's definite gun crime but banning my right to a gun will do nothing to prevent a criminal from utilizing guns because they will find a way to get one like they already do at present.
Finally, you (chip) have some phobia toward guns. That's fine but wanting to ban your own constitutional right makes no sense to me. 2010 data per CDC ( http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm): All homicides Number of deaths: 16,259 Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.3 Firearm homicides Number of deaths: 11,078 Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.6 Firearm suicides Number of deaths: 19,392 Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.3 Homicide rate of 5.3 per 100,000 is significantly higher than most developed countries. What makes the US stand out in homicidal deaths?
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i.hope
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Here are the top 25 countries with the highest GDP at purchasing power parity in 2012, according to the International Monetary Fund. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita) 1 Qatar 102,211 2012 2 Luxembourg 79,785 2012 3 Singapore 60,410 2012 4 Norway 55,009 2012 5 Brunei 54,389 2012 — Hong Kong 51,494 2012 6 United States 49,922 2012 7 United Arab Emirates 49,012 2012 8 Switzerland 45,418 2012 9 Canada 42,734 2012 10 Australia 42,640 2012 11 Austria 42,409 2012 12 Netherlands 42,194 2012 13 San Marino[5] 41,973 2012 14 Ireland 41,921 2012 15 Sweden 41,191 2012 16 Kuwait 39,889 2012 17 Iceland 39,224 2012 18 Germany 39,028 2012 19 Taiwan 38,749 2012 20 Belgium 37,883 2012 21 Denmark 37,657 2012 22 United Kingdom 36,941 2012 23 Finland 36,395 2012 24 Japan 36,266 2012 25 France 35,548 2012 And their intentional homicide rates (per 100,000) in 2010 (low to high) , according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country): *intentional homicide = unlawful death purposefully inflicted on a person by another person 1. Hong Kong 0.2 2. Iceland 0.3 2. Singapore 0.3 4. Japan 0.4 5. Brunei 0.5 6. Austria 0.6 6. Norway 0.6 8. Switzerland 0.7 9. Germany 0.8 9. United Arab Emirates 0.8 11. Denmark 0.9 12. Qatar 0.9 13. Australia 1.0 13. Sweden 1.0 15. France 1.1 15. Netherlands 1.1 17. Ireland 1.2 17. United Kingdom 1.2 19. Canada 1.6 20. Belgium 1.7 21. Finland 2.2 21. Kuwait 2.2 23. Luxembourg 2.5 24. Taiwan 3.2 25. United States 4.8 San Marino - no data available Quite comfortably, the US claims the top spot with 4.8 in intentional homicide rate. Taiwan is far behind in second with 3.2.
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Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:51 pm |
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Chippy
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Oh yeah?! But what about DRUGS?!
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:12 am |
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Caius
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Not that it is relevant but drug death stats. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/factsheets ... soning.htmCan't make link. But more die from drug poisoning than guns. Of course lots of gun deaths are drug related.
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Chippy
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OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE IT
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Chippy
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Caius wrote: Chippy wrote: Stop bringing up the Constitution like it's some unchangable piece of FUCKING PAPER. You do realize when it was written? And what the country was like back then?
Also, nowhere does it say you have the right to a gun. The Constitution is changeable and it is a piece of paper. It specifically was designed to be changed. The Bill of Rights changed it nearly at its inception. It has been changed many times and it can be done so again. Not that you would know any of this because you are an ignorant person and hateful person, but that is forgivable and how we prefer you to be. Don't worry, we will take care of you. We will pick you up when you make nothing of your life. You may still be young enough that you believe that a "big break" is just around the corner. It is not. But keep trying. You will be afforded a minimal amount of protection from the hardships of life. Not enough so that you will ever be comfortable but enough so that you will know who is in control and know that it is not you. You will grow to hate us but you will never leave us because you cannot and deep down you know this. You lack basic control over your own life so you wish to ensure others are also controlled or taken down a peg. To your level. It makes you feel better. Also... L O FUCKING L
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