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Wall-E
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I don't mean to depress anyone but, technically speaking, The State Constitution still includes Prop 8. It is currently unenforceable and the current AG is pushing for Counties to issue same-sex marriage licences, but things are not going to be permanent until those of concern who are affected by Prop 8 decide that Their Rights are Inalienable; Non-Tranferable to the judgement by Others, and then tell the government to fuck off. By All Right, the Prop 8 language is garbage that does not belong in Our State Constitution. We defend Liberty here. This is the garbage from the official State website: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.const/.article_1Quote: CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California. And this is the pause that refreshes: Quote: CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
SECTION 1. All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy. ... ... CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
SEC. 4. Free exercise and enjoyment of religion without discrimination or preference are guaranteed. This liberty of conscience does not excuse acts that are licentious or inconsistent with the peace or safety of the State. The Legislature shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. ... ... ... SEC. 7. (a) A person may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law or denied equal protection of the laws ... ... CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
SEC. 8. A person may not be disqualified from entering or pursuing a business, profession, vocation, or employment because of sex, race, creed, color, or national or ethnic origin. And just to be clear, there is a long-standing tradition of the fact that the term "We the People" means exactly We in The First Person, and does not include the mob majority, or self-appointed Others who act against our differences. Exhibit A; the State Definition of "The Nature of Property": http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displ ... le=654-663Quote: CIVIL CODE SECTION 654-663
654. The ownership of a thing is the right of one or more persons to possess and use it to the exclusion of others. In this Code, the thing of which there may be ownership is called property. Which is a damn good reason why Others deciding against The Rights of The First Person is out-of-bounds around here. Allowing any such majority of voters to decide what the private Inalienable Rights of any First-Person Citizen of The State who is only minding their own business are is an Ignorance of the term "Others". If you happen to be living in California, now you know what to do about "Others".
_________________ And he said to the lady, "I love the crushed eggs. Are they yours? To which the lady replied, "No. Not the eggs."
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Mannyisthebest
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Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 3:53 pm Posts: 8642 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Magic Mike wrote: Libs wrote: One of my Facebook friends has this status:
"The Knot" magazine has a new magazine for gay weddings. I unsubscribed from their site immediately. Stand up for traditional marriage, which is the only natural, biological way to continue human society.
To unfriend or not to unfriend? Unfriend.  It depends... If it is an actual friend and not a facebook friend then no, rather silly to not be friends with someone you know for years over political opinions. If that was the case I would have to reduce the number of friends I have in half. IMO we debate the issue and perhaps change their mind and that does work. Also pretty much there is a long fight ahead but unlike abortion this is a issue of equality where there clearly a right or wrong stance. So I don't think this will get bog down for decades like Abortion. I imagine Republicans especially the younger ones will start to come out in favour of gay marriage soon as this is not really a political issue but a generational and culturally issue. Also I think its a bit mean to say X generation to die off because it has outdated views. I am quite certain when we are 80 we will have certain views that will be seen as outdated by the 18-30 somethings of that era.
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Libs
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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Mannyisthebest wrote: Magic Mike wrote: Libs wrote: One of my Facebook friends has this status:
"The Knot" magazine has a new magazine for gay weddings. I unsubscribed from their site immediately. Stand up for traditional marriage, which is the only natural, biological way to continue human society.
To unfriend or not to unfriend? Unfriend.  It depends... If it is an actual friend and not a facebook friend then no, rather silly to not be friends with someone you know for years over political opinions. If that was the case I would have to reduce the number of friends I have in half. IMO we debate the issue and perhaps change their mind and that does work. Also pretty much there is a long fight ahead but unlike abortion this is a issue of equality where there clearly a right or wrong stance. So I don't think this will get bog down for decades like Abortion. I imagine Republicans especially the younger ones will start to come out in favour of gay marriage soon as this is not really a political issue but a generational and culturally issue. Also I think its a bit mean to say X generation to die off because it has outdated views. I am quite certain when we are 80 we will have certain views that will be seen as outdated by the 18-30 somethings of that era. The girl I was referring to is not a close friend. Someone I went to college with and haven't seen since.
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Excel
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Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 22214 Location: Places
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Libs wrote: Algren wrote: In 50 years time, animal-human relationships will be deemed normal. But that means you can be free to marry the pigs you get intimate with. That was HILARIOUS.
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Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:36 pm |
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i.hope
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Chippy
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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That's my favorite New Yorker cover OF ALL TIME.
_________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:03 am |
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Chippy
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They're not gay. Doesn't mean they can't be portrayed as gay. I don't see anything wrong with that.
_________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:06 am |
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i.hope
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Magnus wrote: Chippy wrote: They're not gay. Doesn't mean they can't be portrayed as gay. I don't see anything wrong with that. Projecting someone to be something they're not? Yeah, nothing wrong with that. It's called derivative work. SNL does it all the time, parodies of tv commercials, tv shows, movie trailers, etc. It can be used in a creative way like this cover.
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Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:16 am |
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Chippy
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Magnus hates teh gays.
_________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:23 am |
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MovieDude
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Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:50 am Posts: 11675
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Eagle wrote: Slightly off topic, but I agree with the Supreme Court's decision in the Voting Rights Act. Times have changed, the formula does place an inordinate burden on some states and not others, and it's not constitutional. In addition, the majority opinion makes it clear that this doesn't overturn the ban on discriminatory voting rules. It also leaves in place the ability for Congress to draft new rules, using current conditions, to address any voting discrimination that arises. The Supreme Court is semantic, they basically said this law is no longer constitutional in it's current form (in essence the success of the law eliminated it's constitutionality), Congress can draft new laws that are valid. The law was placing an undo burden, it should have been removed, now it's up to the legislative branch to legislate the issue. In an alternative universe where Congressmen vote against their own self-interest, sure Congress could draft new rules. But many of these legislators are only in office because of how craftily they've gerrymandered districts. Wendy Davis would not have been elected had Texas been allowed to split up minority communities the way North Carolina did (a majority of Democrat votes in their house, 9 out of 13 seats went to Republicans...) If you look at just 2012 alone, the number of bills that attempted, and succeeded, in racially discriminating and disenfranchising voters was immense. In Arizona alone, Spanish ballots said election day was November 8th. Hundreds of thousands of ballots were disqualified as 'provisional' ballots after robo-calls told people to go to the wrong precincts. People I registered to vote were routinely told that their form had been rejected, so only those who bothered to wade into the state's bureaucracy were able to get their voter ID card. Racially motivated voter disenfranchisement is alive and well, particularly in the states the Voting Rights Act 'burdened'. Since it's removal, six states are already pursuing racist voter disenfranchisement bills.
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Chippy
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Well, THEY DID! Deal with it!
_________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Eagle
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Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:09 pm Posts: 14631 Location: Pittsburgh
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MovieDude wrote: Eagle wrote: Slightly off topic, but I agree with the Supreme Court's decision in the Voting Rights Act. Times have changed, the formula does place an inordinate burden on some states and not others, and it's not constitutional. In addition, the majority opinion makes it clear that this doesn't overturn the ban on discriminatory voting rules. It also leaves in place the ability for Congress to draft new rules, using current conditions, to address any voting discrimination that arises. The Supreme Court is semantic, they basically said this law is no longer constitutional in it's current form (in essence the success of the law eliminated it's constitutionality), Congress can draft new laws that are valid. The law was placing an undo burden, it should have been removed, now it's up to the legislative branch to legislate the issue. In an alternative universe where Congressmen vote against their own self-interest, sure Congress could draft new rules. But many of these legislators are only in office because of how craftily they've gerrymandered districts. Wendy Davis would not have been elected had Texas been allowed to split up minority communities the way North Carolina did (a majority of Democrat votes in their house, 9 out of 13 seats went to Republicans...) If you look at just 2012 alone, the number of bills that attempted, and succeeded, in racially discriminating and disenfranchising voters was immense. In Arizona alone, Spanish ballots said election day was November 8th. Hundreds of thousands of ballots were disqualified as 'provisional' ballots after robo-calls told people to go to the wrong precincts. People I registered to vote were routinely told that their form had been rejected, so only those who bothered to wade into the state's bureaucracy were able to get their voter ID card. Racially motivated voter disenfranchisement is alive and well, particularly in the states the Voting Rights Act 'burdened'. Since it's removal, six states are already pursuing racist voter disenfranchisement bills. I get that, but do you think the rigging of districts only occurs in the states targeted by the Voting Rights Act formula? It happens everywhere, and stopping it in some states and not others is placing an undue burden on those states, it encroaches on state rights, and is unconstitutional. You're correct in saying there's a huge problem, but it's much bigger than just these states, and it's unfair to keep targeting just them. Fix the blatant corruption all across our nation, or don't fix it at all. The same thing goes for the Voter ID issue, which is occurring all over the US, not just in these states (it was a huge deal in PA this past election). This law was a good thing, but in the black and white eyes of the law, it was unconstitutional. If congress gives a shit, they'll write a proper law in it's place. If they don't, maybe people will get angry enough to vote them out, despite the barriers they've created to doing so.
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i.hope
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Magnus wrote: i.hope wrote: Magnus wrote: Chippy wrote: They're not gay. Doesn't mean they can't be portrayed as gay. I don't see anything wrong with that. Projecting someone to be something they're not? Yeah, nothing wrong with that. It's called derivative work. SNL does it all the time, parodies of tv commercials, tv shows, movie trailers, etc. It can be used in a creative way like this cover. there's a difference between SNL doing a prody as comedy and the New Yorker trying to make a grand, profound statement. It's a political cartoon. Whether its statement is grand and profound or tongue-in-cheek is up to debate. But either way, I see nothing wrong with the author's use of imagination.
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