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Algren
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 Re: Inglourious Basterds
I don't think that's true. They must understand him and his revisionist, genre referential style. But the violence is quite a large chunk of a Tarantino film because of the explicit nature, so it's understandable that most reviews focus more on that, especially when the violence in such a stark contrast to the movies and conventions that he is referring to.
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Algren
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Magnus wrote: i honestly dont buy that QT is making this big critical statement that "nationalist war films have brainwashed and will continue to brainwash Americans." He's not trying to criticize it but rather use this truth to his advantage.
QT relies on the nationalist war films that have brainwashed Americans to make Basterds work. Because we have been essentially led to believe that Nazis are the most evil thing ever (which they probably were, though our perception of their evil has been GREATLY enhanced by movies), QT is able to make a film where his villain essentially does very little "evil" in the film itself (worst thing they do is kill Shoshannas parents and they do it in a manner that is hardly brutal compared to everything else in the film) but the audience is completely rooting for the heroes to perform as much brutality as they can.
he plays with the idea that what makes we the audience believe to be good/evil isn't the actions of the characters but our perceived notion of them. every Nazi in the film we assume is evil and every non-Nazi we assume is good. because of this, QT is able to rewrite history in the film to allow for the good guys to perform "evil" acts and yet still have complete support of the audience and present historically inaccurate facts because it involves the bad guys getting what we believe they should have gotten in reality.
If this was a movie about some made up war with made up sides, it wouldn't work. the reason it works is because we have a assumption of what WWII is and QT toys around with this. He essentially provides our id the WWII film it wants.
so basically, it's a movie about killing fucking Nazis. The thing that trumps all you've written is Col. Hans Landa. He's a likeable Nazi, and Tarantino wanted that to be the case (he searched for a long time to find Waltz). So, he's thrown a spanner in the works in order to highlight the audiences jaded perception of Nazis. He's also taken to killing a lot of Nazis, so it fulfils many things, but to say that it solely a movie about "killing fucking Nazis" is not true.
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Shack
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 Re: Inglourious Basterds
Bit late, but QT ranking
1. Inglourious Basterds 2. Pulp Fiction 3. Jackie Brown 4. Reservoir Dogs 5. Django Unchained 6. Kill Bill Vol. 2 7. Kill Bill Vol. 1 8. Death Proof
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Algren
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Magnus wrote: We're still very satisfied with Landas fate at the end. He's quite likable yes but him being a Nazi doesn't change he fact that we want him to suffer. If anything, Landa reinforces it.
We want Nazis to suffer in our movies, regardless if we like them or not. We're satisfied with Landa's fate at the end because of his actions through the film. He strangles and kills Miss von Hammersmark and instigates the killing of Shoshanna's family. He actually did nasty things in the movie to warrant his forehead cutting. The other Germans in the movie, you are right, we are satisfied that they died because they are Nazis, nothing else.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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I did not want Landa to be harmed, if anything I was pleased Landa was actually about to get away with everything.
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Algren
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First viewing: I wanted him to die.
Second viewing: I wanted him to get something, which he did get, but I didn't want him to get killed.
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Argos
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Letterman: Maybe the best thing about watching this film is your performance. What an evil, creepy... It was so good. Waltz: Thank you. I disagree with the 'evil'. Letterman: Well, haha, that would be hard to substantiate. Waltz: Not at all. It would just take a while.
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LeSamuraiDeL'Ombre
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Er ist ein gewöhnlicher Opportunist und verdient nicht mehr als ein Redmond Barry Schicksal.
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Algren
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Magnus wrote: Darth Indiana Bond wrote: I did not want Landa to be harmed, if anything I was pleased Landa was actually about to get away with everything. You're not a true American then. Most people in America aren't.
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Argos
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LeSamuraiDeL'Ombre wrote: Er ist ein gewöhnlicher Opportunist und verdient nicht mehr als ein Redmond Barry Schicksal. Ein gewöhnlicher Opportunist ist er sicher nicht.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Algren wrote: I don't think that review is anything special. Doesn't everyone see what Tarantino attempts with his movies? It's pretty obvious, especially with the last two. Just go over to imdb, there a lot of uptight posters there who take Tarantino's film far to literally, and what's worse is that they refrence critics implying that there are professional critics out there who also have a stick up their ass wound too tight, and twisted far too up there that they can't see past the violent surface of Tarantino's films.
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Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:39 pm |
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Algren
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: Algren wrote: I don't think that review is anything special. Doesn't everyone see what Tarantino attempts with his movies? It's pretty obvious, especially with the last two. Just go over to imdb, there a lot of uptight posters there who take Tarantino's film far to literally, and what's worse is that they refrence critics implying that there are professional critics out there who also have a stick up their ass wound too tight, and twisted far too up there that they can't see past the violent surface of Tarantino's films. Well, I'm surprised. But the main thing is, did these idiots enjoy the movie?
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Some did, but they make these pretentious comments about how it lacks a soul. Please, Tarantino might not be your thing, you might even hate his films, but they certainly do not lack a soul.
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Algren
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Lacks a soul? What an odd thing to say.
It's full to the brim with personality.
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Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:52 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Aren't a bunch of the imdb posters refugee BOM posters as the two forums merged?
That might explain the type of pretentious yet niave attitude some of the imdb posters have.
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Algren
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Nah. Most of the BOM posters went to BO.com.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Gottcha
Well the imdb forums are quite known for their stupidity
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Upon comparing the Wiki article for Reservoir Dogs and for Inglourious Basterds, it is clear that a lot of critics could not see past the campy style of this film as a masterpiece commentary on war propoganda. That amateur review I posted earlier has a far better grasp of this tour de force than half of the so called film-geniuses that the wiki article on Inglourious Basterds listed.
One reviewing, Wiki notes, finds the Jews commiting Nazi-like actions as a bad thing. Maybe that was intentional?
Once you categorize this film as a piece on war propoganda everything starts to make sense. The themes on fame and infamy, the finale being in a cinema, the breaking of the fourth wall to establish this film as, well a film, etc.
Such brilliance, one can only hope this gets better respect as time passes. My generation sure does love the fuck out of it though. I guess it went over the head of the old farts.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Ah I see, two people gave this masterpiece an F in an attempt to be hip, for shame really.
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Algren
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That's not fair. Perhaps they hated it, or found it insulting or something. There's not one film that will appeal to every single human, and for you to asume there is and the only reason anyone can rate this as an "F" is to be "hip", is disappointing.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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But it happens, and none of the the posts here scream "F" territory. The evidence suggests something fishy.
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Algren
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They chose "F" and didn't post?
Well I demand a witch hunt!!
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Bradley Witherberry
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: But it happens, and none of the the posts here scream "F" territory. The evidence suggests something fishy. There are fishy "F" grades and fishy "A" grades in almost every thread for popular/highly discussed movies - - it's simply the way of the internet forum. Personally, I believe there is more overrating due to the susceptibility of many KJer's to hype-notism - - but nonetheless, I retain hope that it all evens out in the end.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Darth Indiana Bond wrote: But it happens, and none of the the posts here scream "F" territory. The evidence suggests something fishy. There are fishy "F" grades and fishy "A" grades in almost every thread for popular/highly discussed movies - - it's simply the way of the internet forum. ...is that, dude, words of wisdom, from Bradley. No sarcasm, I totally agree, well put.
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Algren
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There's 36 "A" grades. and 2 "F" grades.
Which one is more fishy?
Exactly.
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