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nghtvsn
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Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:13 pm Posts: 11016 Location: Warren Theatre Oklahoma
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 Re: Weekend Estimates
So if it finished with 79 million that'd be disappointing. C'mon folks...
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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 Re: Weekend Estimates
Magnus wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: It is impressive. An $80+ million opening for a non-sequel is still impressive nowadays. If it weren't, it'd happen more often. wait I just realized you included prequels in your original statement. Oz is a prequel, even if not a sort of standard "direct" prequel. So yeah, really not that impressive. It is not a prequel. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032138/trivia?tab=mcNowhere to be found. Or else you could start calling Alice in Wonderland some sort of a sequel too.
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David
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Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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 Re: Weekend Estimates
Except, of course, it is a prequel.  To say otherwise is to deserve a bit of a slap. It documents the origin of the Wizard of Oz and one of the most iconic screen antagonists ever, the Wicked Witch of the West. It is the same as the Star Wars prequels, except they obviously had to change a few sounds and tints to avoid infringing upon Warner's copyright.
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:58 pm |
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zingy
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Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662
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SolC9 wrote: I'm reading a lot of articles praising OZ for topping 80M. I'd give it less than a 50% chance that actuals end up over 80M. 30% is a slim Sunday drop. Possible, yes, but likely? It's still a great opening, I just find it weird so many are touting the 80M mark when it's so close with the estimate. It could drop below, but Alice in Wonderland dropped 29.7% and Lorax dropped 31.6% on this same weekend. So...
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:07 pm |
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Dil
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Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:48 pm Posts: 8942 Location: Houston, Texas
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Great opening for Oz, but it's pretty depressing that this will likely be the last weekend until May where 2013 was actually up from 2012. The next couple of weeks are going to be really BORING unless there are some more major breakouts.
Also Jack got SLAUGHTERED. How ironic huh ?
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:27 pm |
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Harry Warden
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Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:47 pm Posts: 19747
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Stupid scheduling for WB and Jack. They doomed it to failure.
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:51 pm |
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Magic Mike
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35197 Location: Minnesota
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Magnus wrote: Eventually, studios I feel have to wake up and stop crowding summer (as they are this year) and start spreading event-films around. I absolutely agree with this. If you have a product people want to see then it doesn't have to be released in the summer. Summer gets too crowded. Without so much competition many would be better served released during other parts of the year.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:43 pm Posts: 11582 Location: Wouldn't you like to know
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David wrote: Except, of course, it is a prequel.  To say otherwise is to deserve a bit of a slap. I would agree with you, except the Wizard of Oz is based off of a classic book in the American canon. I'm with the doc on this one, if you call Oz a prequel, then you HAVE to call Burton's Alice in Wonderland a sequel.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:43 pm Posts: 11582 Location: Wouldn't you like to know
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Fair enough, just don't slap me when I don't call Oz a prequel and I won't slap you when you call Burton in Wonderland a sequel.
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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Fair enough if you call it that. But I don't. Alice in Wonderland is thus the 2nd-biggest non-sequel/prequel opener ever and Oz is the 7th-biggest.
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:43 pm Posts: 11582 Location: Wouldn't you like to know
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Fair enough if you call it that. But I don't. Alice in Wonderland is thus the 2nd-biggest non-sequel/prequel opener ever and Oz is the 7th-biggest. Yeeeeeeah 
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:33 pm |
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David
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Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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Alice in Wonderland is a sequel. I have no problem saying as much. Though I believe audiences absorbed it more as a, shall we say, recreation: a chance to see the world of Wonderland presented in big-budget 3-D live action. They did not emphasize the idea of a teenage Alice returning to Wonderland in the trailers and TV spots, though it is integral to the film. Oz is, again, definitely a prequel. To call it an original film is just insane.  Many people went because they grew up with The Wizard of Oz, and this was conceived and advertised as a chance to see what transpired before Dorothy's adventure.
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MadGez
Dont Mess with the Gez
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 am Posts: 23246 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Fantastic OW for Oz. Looking good for $250m which is about expected or a little above.
Jack the Giant Slayer never really had a shot at huge numbers but $100-$120m was possible with better scheduling.
As for March and blockbuster scheduling - the studios have been adding a big live action and a big animated film there for some time now. Unlike Summer you cant really over crowd months like March but you can certainly schedule better.
The studios famously filled the first quarter of 1997 with big budget blockbusters and star vehicles to mostly negative results (a Jim Carrey comedy and a re-release of a 20 year old film topped the BO) - while other films disappointed or didnt quite explode as expected. The studios then began to pack the summers again and ignore the rest of the year bar the occasional big film or surprise until another attempt in 2002. Been a mixed bag since.
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:20 pm |
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Magic Mike
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35197 Location: Minnesota
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I'm not saying they should release one every week like in the summer. I just find it surprising everyone seems to want their big movies in the summer when clearly they can do well at other times of year too.
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MadGez
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Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 am Posts: 23246 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Magic Mike wrote: I'm not saying they should release one every week like in the summer. I just find it surprising everyone seems to want their big movies in the summer when clearly they can do well at other times of year too. I agree they should release more year round. I'm just saying they do try it from time but then get scared off by one or two bombs and revert to over crowding the summer.
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Dr. Lecter
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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I still think that the most "blockbuster-unused" weekend of the year is the Labor Day weekend. I want a major release there.
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:46 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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Magnus wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: I still think that the most "blockbuster-unused" weekend of the year is the Labor Day weekend. I want a major release there. I think the fear is that people are "blockbusted out" by that point. Also, Labor Day is sort of a different time cause people's mindset is focusing back on school/end of summer. Not that joyful of a holiday. Though I guess you could argue that people would be more willing to go to the movies in this state. Also, with that release date, the movie could rule over the entire September.
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publicenemy#1
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:25 am Posts: 19364 Location: San Diego
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Oz's drop next weekend will be interesting. I just checked Alice's and I totally forgot it dropped less than 50%.  Anything below 55% for Oz would be excellent.
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:21 pm |
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Magic Mike
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35197 Location: Minnesota
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publicenemy#1 wrote: Oz's drop next weekend will be interesting. I just checked Alice's and I totally forgot it dropped less than 50%.  Anything below 55% for Oz would be excellent. Wow, under 50% for Alice was amazing after that opening. I also forgot it held that well.
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:32 pm |
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Gopher
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Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:25 pm Posts: 995
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The B+ Cinemascore for Oz is a bit curious. Probably won't mean much in the long run I don't remember the last movie that opened this big and had a score that low. Inception at least had an 'A' from young viewers to counter old people not getting it.
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Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:54 pm |
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Magic Mike
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35197 Location: Minnesota
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While it didn't have a huge opening Bridesmaids sure had amazing fucking legs for having a B+ CinemaScore.
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Jonathan
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Magic Mike wrote: While it didn't have a huge opening Bridesmaids sure had amazing fucking legs for having a B+ CinemaScore. Inception also had a B+ from Cinemascore. I think in both cases elements of the film turned off a small segment of the audience, but everyone else that saw it LOVED it and spread the word.
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Magic Mike
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Magnus wrote: BTW, James Franco is a pretty lucky actor. His biggest films (Spider-Man series, Apes, and Oz) have all been films based on popular previous materials that pretty much would have been hits with any other actor. He may have helped a bit with Oz and Apes but minimal at best IMO.
But he's probably going to get paid like a A-list now because of how his BO resume looks from those films.
To me, his only real draw is in films like PE and This is The End, when he essentially plays James Franco. Yeah, I really don't see him as a draw. He just gets lucky being in the right films. If he had to open something like John Carter it wouldn't have fared any better than it did with Kitsch. Yet Kitsch is considered Box Office poison.
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Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:47 am |
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David
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Franco seems to avoid Dead Man Down caliber/size productions. He is either the beside-the-point lead in incredibly huge films or the star of films with nonexistent financial expectations because they are so very small and idiosyncratic.
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