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Jeff
Christian's #1 Fan
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Goldie wrote: Archie Gates wrote: If they ever recut this with Lecter rushing onto the stage 5 minutes in and strangling her, I'll buy it. then the movie would be over after 5 minutes and would never have ever been released in the first place.

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Levy
Golfaholic
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Saw this one on DVD. One of the best of 2005, exceptional storytelling, fantastic acting and interesting from a technical viewpoint. A-
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MikeQ.
The French Dutch Boy
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:28 pm Posts: 10266 Location: Mordor, Middle Earth
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Levy wrote: Saw this one on DVD. One of the best of 2005, exceptional storytelling, fantastic acting and interesting from a technical viewpoint. A-
Sweet. Levy's awesome. You have an awesome signature too.
PEACE, Mike.
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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 Re: The Constant Gardener
I thought it was pretty great, and very Michael Clayton-esque (though I suppose I should say Clayton is Constant Gardener-esque) in almost all its features: kinetic, dynamic camerawork (though the camera was much more active here), stellar performances, a non-linear, complex plot that never gets fully resolved, and a sociopolitical edge to its message. So, for only that reason, I quite loved it.
My only real complaint is that telling us that Justin's "suicide" was actually murder, before showing us, takes away a lot of the drama and emotion of that final scene. Though I suppose it needed to end on the lake, rather than the funeral. I dunno. Something about that ending just bugged me, despite its raw power.
Still, great film.
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jmovies
Let's Call It A Bromance
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:22 pm Posts: 12333
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 Re: The Constant Gardener
Fiennes and Weisz are great but the plot is a bit underwhelming compared to their performances.
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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 Re: The Constant Gardener
Fantastic film in each conceivable way, from the acting to the storyline to the visual style. It is a shame how far Meirelles has plummeted since his dynamite one-two punch of this and City of God.
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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 Re: The Constant Gardener
Rewatched it recently. I stand by my original assessment. Technically impeccable, the score is one of the best of the last decade (Inglesias shall score all Le Carré adaptations from now on) and Ralph Fiennes delivers a strong turn. But it never really works for me emotionally and, most of all, I still find Weisz' character incredibly grating.
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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 Re: The Constant Gardener
Dr. Lecter wrote: I still find Weisz' character incredibly grating. She is too individualistic. Personal freedom and responsibility are absurd concepts. I root for the corporation myself; they have clearly devoted a great deal of time and money to becoming a corrupt, omnipresent global force, so they have a right to enjoy themselves. Interesting assessment, Arthur. 
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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 Re: The Constant Gardener
I find idealists who insist on forcing their opinions on others (right or wrong) grating. And she did what she did without any regard to her unborn child too.
Obviously she was fighting the right cause, yadda yadda yadda, but the way her character is presented made me want to punch her every time she started speaking. Luckilly, I am not even the only one in this thread to see it this way.
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68372
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The Constant Gardener
A good film, in parts, but not thrilling and although it was shot very well with its avant garde style, it just couldn't keep me interested in the subject matter - I couldn't care less about African corruption, corporate greed and the dying African. It was basically just another film that states "yeah, Africa is still bad", and we don't need another one of those. We get enough of that with Comic Relief and Children in Need.
Ralph Fiennes and Rachael Weisz were amazing, and the script was pretty spot-on with the realism too. The film needed some suspense or action to make it worthwhile, but I suppose its aim wasn't to entertain or thrill, but more to push its message into the western conciousness.
C+
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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 Re: The Constant Gardener
Bill Nighy's reaction when the brother begins to read his memo at the end is epic.
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68372
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David wrote: Bill Nighy's reaction when the brother begins to read his memo at the end is epic. He wasn't the brother. He was Weisz's second cousin. And the reaction wasn't what I was expecting. I thought he would have got up and walked out much sooner than he did. Instead, he let him pretty much finish the whole letter.
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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Second cousin. Apologies. 
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68372
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 Re: The Constant Gardener
 Next up for me in this area is The English Patient and Blood Diamond.
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David
Pure Phase
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:33 am Posts: 34865 Location: Maryland
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 Re: The Constant Gardener
You will love Blood Diamond.
The English Patient, I am not so sure. I love it, though.
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Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68372
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 Re: The Constant Gardener
Yes, I've been wanting to watch Blood Diamond for years. It's Zwick, and he made one of the best movies ever made with The Last Samurai.
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Bradley Witherberry
Extraordinary
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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 Re: The Constant Gardener
dupe
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