I think the idea was to make it seem like Bond was killed in pursuit of Patrice both to keep his name off of the list and more importantly keep tracking Patrice to see who he was working for. Their job is to spy after all. That's if M thought Bond couldn't apprehend him on his own. And while they were fighting on top of the train his signal was about to go out of reach so she would've had no connection with Bond after that so she had to make a quick decision. In the process she put the names of the agents on the hard drive at risk and she failed at least a few, but not all.

And I could be wrong, but I think Eve was firing blanks which explains why she didn't shoot Patrice.



I don't think he really noticed it until he was going through his field tests again and how it was effecting his shooting.

On the other hand it also could've been done for the audience and the sake of the story in order to move it along.



How did he get in the cell? When MI6 was hacked by one of his men he had him open up all the doors freeing him. That's why we see all those vents popping up in front of Bond. He realizes what's happened, and then runs to see if Silva has escaped. He has down into the now open vent.



You have watched a James Bond movie before right?



He says in the film that he wants to get ahead of Silva for the first time and play offense since Silva had been controlling everything up to that point. And how well was the government protecting her up to that point?



The flames weren't bright enough to path the entire way and they're old. Think one of them wants to fall through the frozen ice? Besides, their one hiding spot was the church. Either Silva was eventually going to find them there first or Bond was going to kill him. Then, just like in any other fictional story, Silva has too long of a dramatic showdown with his nemesis, Bond gets there in the nick of time, throws a knife in Silva's back, and delivers a "Bondian" quip to cheer M and the audience up before she died.

Shack is right.

Kind of like when you watched The Dark Knight, and you see things like:
-The Joker orchestrating the entire car chase
-He knew exactly the moment when the truck would enter the tunnel, and exactly where it would leave (both are played off as if spontaneous)
-Joker's men conveniently on the firescapes, perfectly level with the helicopter they knew would come that low. LOL & then those little wires somehow hold against a helicopter, as opposed to breaking
-He knew Dent wasn't Batman, he knew Batman would somehow survive rockets being launched, etc
-He knew Gordon wasn't dead
-He knew exactly who would be picking Harvey Dent
The whole "he wanted to get caught" thing was just ridiculous.
-Joker somehow placed bombs throughout an ENTIRE HOSPITAL with nobody noticing
-Joker somehow rigging the ONLY TWO WORKING FERRIES with nobody noticing
-Joker somehow rigging two entire warehouses with nobody noticing
-Joker knowing Dent would somehow survive the bombs going off
-Joker somehow subduing that marching cops for the funeral scene
-Joker knowing exactly how the bank robbery would take place, to the exact moment and spot the bus driver would arrive, and of course, the guy whose turned on the Joker is standing right in its way
-Rachel somehow picking Harvey Dent over Bruce Wayne LOL

When you stop and think for more than a second or two, its like "oh, that doesnt really make sense. Neither does that. And why wouldnt he do this?" etc etc etc. Skyfall is even worse than TDK in that department. TDK is still a stick movie, because it has awesome character arcs and incredible acting Skyfall? Eh. It is good and fun, but nothing amazing. Skyfall is just the same deal. For such a simple movie with such a simple, uninspired, unimpressive plot, there are waaaay to many moments requiring serious suspension of disbelief.

Bond suspension of disbelief, is say, in Goldeneye, when he jumps after the plane, sky dives into it, and stops the crash. Its "Ha yeah, ok". Skyfall's suspension is "Ok, here 10 perfect coincidences, all of which need to occur for the movie to work". of course, they all happen. It is just a bit unimpressive.

I will say this - interest in Bond is back. The next one is easily going to open over 100 million - I really hope the use the opportunity to secure legions of news fans, and dont blow it. Get someone smart, think of something clever.

You know, I don't even disagree for the most part. The main difference is the bolded part. It wowed me enough to ignore all that.

It's always a question if the movie will wow you enough to forgive its mistakes. I am yet to see a movie (or read a book) which has a plot that's completely logical and without any too convenient (deus-ex-machina) plotting. For a spy fiction Skyfall is a superb movie. Period.

No it's a very turgid, dull movie. Skyfall is a bowl of porridge served in a very fancy bowl. It's deadly serious with nary a genuine moment of surprise or joy.

In the classic James Bond films, the producers would choose their illogical cards carefully to amp up the humor - - now they're just lazy.




That statement greatly saddens me.

And you sadden me.

In the action genre and its cousins, I am perfectly fine with forgiving gaps in logic or the plot if the film excites me with its performances, action sequences, etc. The bureaucratic demands of real-world logic should never stand in the way of spectacle in a Bond film.

The next time I see a movie where the villain is captured in the second act, only to reveal that it was PART OF THE EVIL PLAN ALL ALONG, I walk out, no hesitation

Yeah! Because it has never happened before in the history of cinema.

This is what I disagree with, though I'm willing to buy into the screenplay gaffes that took me out of the film. Skyfall was clearly trying to go for the Casino Royale meets Goldfinger action movie that had the gravitas of the new Bond but the more ridiculous fun of the old. The Aston Martin reveal, the callbacks to the old Bond movies... it was all in good fun. Was it a perfect balance? Not really, but it was a hell of a ride.

None of the action scenes approached any number of set pieces from Casino Royale, in large part to essentially every impressive beat already being featured in the trailers. All the big moments of the opening chase. The tunnel bits in London. Where Casino Royale's action scenes were elaborately laid out, full of pyrotechnics, and well-punctuated by surprises, every action scene in Skyfall went exactly as expected and all the crowd pleasing bits rely on a Pavlovian reaction from the audience. "Look, it's that gag from that one Bond movie! Look, it's the car he once drove! Look, the only black character turns out the be the secretary!"

I thought Casino Royale was much more 'ridiculous fun' and had a much better sense of humor. It found ways to criticize the anachronistic elements of Bond's character while updating the series into a modern, fast-paced thrill ride. Skyfall isn't just dumb, though it is. To me, Skyfall represents the series taking two steps backwards, both making the deadly serious Bond movie people have been warning about for the last two films while and turning back the page on the progress the first two Craig movies had made.

Ha.

Because Casino Royale's trailer didn't give anything away... And you're really going to blame the film for its marketing campaign? If Mendes had his way he wouldn't have shown anything.



Someone took an "Intro to Psych" class. You mean the film makers gave the audiences exactly what they wanted? How dare those sons of bitches!

And please name one surprise Casino Royale had in its action scenes.


True. Skyfall isn't trying to achieve the same goals though. I'll disagree with you about the ridiculous fun though. Just look at the differences between the Silva and Le Chiffre.



Because Quantum of Solace was a two tons of fun and really progressed the franchise.

Those who hate both are dead inside.

Hyperbole.

Sort of...

Not really...

Dead inside I tells ya.

Most people I know love both, but most agree QoS was bad, just saying...

It appears as though some of you have never seen a Bond movie, or even an action film, before.

Eh, when something gets praised enough, it allows for more criticism, not that I agree with most of the criticism presented here.

Heh - - too true.

(Though perhaps not for the reasons you intended. )

Have you... seen Quantum of Solace recently?

It's funny how a certain few think that THEY know how Bond should be. As if every Bond film should be the exact same.

You can blame my dislike of Skyfall on a combination of the marketing and the overblown hype, but mostly it was the movie itself.



1. The chase sequence in Madagascar continuously one-upped itself to a fever pitch. Bond having a stand off with an entire embassy and getting away was ridiculous fun and a great chase sequence.
2. The bomber of the airplane blowing himself up may not have shocked alert audiences, but it added an amusing punctuation to that sequence that Skyfall sorely lacked.
3. LeChiffre getting smoked mid-interrogation sequence.



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And Quantum of Solace isn't a great Bond movie like Casino Royale, but at least it tried to establish why he doesn't let innocent people die. Here Bond repeatedly watches and shrugs as random people are murdered by people he's already pursuing. Or he'll be pursuing someone and still need Q to constantly ask where he is when he's supposedly already tracking him.

I've seen plenty of Bond movies. Hell I grew up on this franchise. And while Skyfall isn't the worst Bond movie ever, it's boring and not much fun. Honestly I feel a bit like I'm living in an alternate reality from some of you - I've talked to about a dozen people who have seen it and not one of them found it to be anything more than average.

And yet it's somehow making considerably more money than its predecessors, as though it's quite well-liked by the masses.

Eh, The Phantom Menace made money in masses as well, so that is hardly an argument. The press screening that I went to, about 70% of the people liked it, hough only few loved it. 30% disliked it.

It's sad that you didn't enjoy the film as much as many of us did, MovieDude. I know I haven#t had this much of a blast at a blockbuster since Star Trek or maybe even TDK.