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I'm glad to see so many people liked it a lot. This movie wasn't treated well by our critics when it came out, and I do really think that time they made a big mistake. It's a very funny flick which has a great merit: it mocks the whole series with irony without making the film fall into a comedy. Great special effects and stunning ending, but unfortunately I can't say the same about the acting. Still, a surprisingly good movie, which definitely deserves many views.
A-- or 9/10

Just watched it again recently. My Rankings go like this

Terminator 2- A+ one of the best films ever made
The Terminator A+ A kick ass science fiction horror movie
Terminator 3 Solid A

It holds up well. I do hope one day that they release it with the additional 15 minutes of footage. Its a little too short for being so epic, but whats there is awesome, and a great ending which is already said. Yes Cameron should have directed it, but its a solid installment in the franchise, I just hope part four without Arnold doesnt suck

i still think the T-X was the best terminator.

Really? I liked the evolution of the T-X but i remember that when they came out with the T-1000, that entire concept was so unique and allowed for so much creativity. The T-X really didn't add a new dimension.

Then again, i guess i'm being unfair. there really wasn't much more they could do with the robot.

My only problem with the TX, who was a good villain, it almost seemed as though Arnold always had the upper hand. The T1000 took out Arnold in almost every fight, He seemed more Obsolete against him than the TX, but I suppose thats more in Cameron's intense fight scenes and very graphic violence.

I agree with that. TX was a stepdown from T-1000 as far as indestructability goes.

The T-1000 would have never gotten off the giant magnet.

If its liquid, Im pretty sure its not magnetized.

The T-X's liquid metal was being sucked off.

Yes, but it was getting away, She had a plain endoskeleton underneath as it was shown, thats how it held the weapons inside. T1000 was just liquid metal, so if anything the liquid could have went in shorted the wires out.

The liquid metal was being sucked into the magnet. Since that's all the T-1000 was, he wouldn't have been able to take form (or T-X would have). She was only able to get away because she had the endoskeleton.

Mindless Fun, but in terms of the Terminator mythology it wasn't needed.

C+

This is the best Terminator movie.

Very fun and actually the plot here is the strongest of the three. TS is just noise and is irrelevant.

I know people are nostalgic or whatever or are okay liking T1/2 because it's critically acclaimed or whatever but to me, at least the first one, had a plot that would be ripped to shreds in this day and age.

Now, sequels, as I have said, are easier to forgive in a sense because they don't have to develop the character as much but you think they have because well, of all the previous flicks, so I have no qualms about anything that happened in T3.

And for all the hoo-ha about Cameron, well, if people are so critical of him now, he hasn't changed all that much. Avatar was Pocahontas and Ferngully, and Terminator is a plot hole. It's special effects masking up his deficiencies once again only it's 30 years later and special effects aren't so special anymore.

The action in his films, especially T2 is pretty memorable and stand-out, but let's not throw so much praise that it was a well-told story or anything. Since I have no attachment at all, and have just watched all three films in the past 2 weeks, I can say that I enjoyed this the most and not be disappointed or whatever.

The plot here is basically just a rehash of T2, with a ballsier ending. How does that make it the strongest?

And the first one has an airtight plot. It's only once you get into the sequels and "changing the future" that things get dicey.

T1's plot is great. The issue is that some people, for whatever reason, can't wrap their heads around the fact it's a circle. John Connor never had a father who wasn't Kyle Reese.

I think we can all agree that The Sarah Connor Chronicles is the best part of the Terminator franchise!

... no?

No.

Though the last five or so episodes of season two were really, really great.

Agreed. Too bad the rest of the show wasn't that good. Had the potential to be too.

Maybe I got ahead of myself. It and T2 are on par.

T1's plot is:

Terminator/Reese goes back in time to kill/save Sarah Connor, mother of John Connor. Sarah is not pregnant and would be in the blast zone once Judgment Day goes off.

John Connor, in the future, knows Reese is to be his father. Wait, what?

So, if everything goes to plan, the actual timeline is:

Sarah Connor gives birth to John, Judgment Day happens, John is leader, sends Reese back.

How does John get born when Reese hasn't been sent back the first time round?

This also doesn't take into account that the romance is so artificial. Reese loves a picture. Talk about a loser. It's like Avatar's romance, or typical Hollywood/superhero trope of needing a romantic sub-plot which is half-baked.

There is no "first time round". There is only one timeline, in which Reese gets sent back to protect Sarah Connor and impregnates her. He is always John Connor's father.

This.

T2 muddles this with 'no fate but what we make' (which isn't part of Reese's message), but in T1 it's always a circle. There's no first time through. Reese goes back and fathers John, while at the same time leaving the Terminator for Cyberdyne to develop from.

I specifically remember him being sent back by John Connor though.

The photo he has of her, for example, is given to him by John.

So, if he's not sent back by John the first time he goes back through the timeline, then who sends him back and why does he have the picture?

There is no first time.

Again, it's a circle. He always went back in time to father John. Sarah was always grieving for Reese when that picture was taken. John gives the picture to Reese knowing he's his father.

Around and around it goes. There's no beginning point.

Back to the Future really fucked up time travel narratives, didn't it?

Seriously. Even Terminator Salvation plays by the BTTF rules for no apparent reason.