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Michael A
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:48 am Posts: 6245
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 Re: The Social Network
It certainly is deserving of a second view, which I will grant it very soon. There's no doubt it is an excellent film, Rashomon meets Citizen Kane for the contemporary digital era, the reviews were dead on this time. The sorkin script was not sorkinish, outside of the first sequence, as I expected, which is actually a good thing for this film. Fincher also minimizes his stylized direction, to allow the development of characters and plot. Eisnberg is marvelous in this, his simple yet layered performance deserves even more praise than it has received.
_________________Mr. R wrote: Malcolm wrote: You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself. Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:18 pm |
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Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21895 Location: Walking around somewhere
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Mr. Magnus wrote: The first scene is like the epitome of Aaron Sorkin. Granted, I can understand why people wouldn't like it because it is highly stylized and not realistic...though if you hated the first scene, I'm not sure how you withstood the rest of the film as it was similar. That's a bold statement, no pun intended, and it's also untrue. The end of a Food Good Men is a much better scene that represents Aaron Sorkin, and other scenes in this film. The rest of the film is nothing like that first scene. I give it merit for the characters and what they were actually saying. But the editing is terrible and took me out of it. And the rest of the film, while his character speaks like that. He is never as controlling in a conversation. More in the back seat, listening, contemplating his next asshole thing to say. I also don't understand that he is so adamant about being in one of those final clubs, yet when he would have easily gained access for doing one, the first scene ends up being a lie and he looses his girlfriend for no reason with that comment for being in the final club.
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:27 pm |
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Michael A
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:48 am Posts: 6245
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 Re: The Social Network
Magnus is absolutely and irrefutably correct in this case.
_________________Mr. R wrote: Malcolm wrote: You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself. Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:33 pm |
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Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21895 Location: Walking around somewhere
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 Re: The Social Network
Mr. Magnus wrote: Thegun wrote: Mr. Magnus wrote: The first scene is like the epitome of Aaron Sorkin. Granted, I can understand why people wouldn't like it because it is highly stylized and not realistic...though if you hated the first scene, I'm not sure how you withstood the rest of the film as it was similar. That's a bold statement, no pun intended, and it's also untrue. The end of a Food Good Men is a much better scene that represents Aaron Sorkin, and other scenes in this film. The rest of the film is nothing like that first scene. I give it merit for the characters and what they were actually saying. But the editing is terrible and took me out of it. And the rest of the film, while his character speaks like that. He is never as controlling in a conversation. More in the back seat, listening, contemplating his next asshole thing to say. I also don't understand that he is so adamant about being in one of those final clubs, yet when he would have easily gained access for doing one, the first scene ends up being a lie and he looses his girlfriend for no reason with that comment for being in the final club. I don't think its bold at all. If I didn't know the writer of SN and just saw that scene, I would assume it was Aaron Sorkin. And the editing in the first scene was great just as it was throughout the rest of the film. Why though, its nothing more than an edgy and faster version of something in a Apatow production, and as I said it has conflicts with his character and somewhat of the point of the film. Sorkin's script is at times brilliant later on though with so much better dialogue that you can just get lost in. The twins and the principal; Timberlake in the club; Timberlake's introduction.
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:43 pm |
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The Dark Shape
Extraordinary
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:56 am Posts: 12119 Location: Adrift in L.A.
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Thegun wrote: its nothing more than an edgy and faster version of something in a Apatow production Except Apatow films tend to linger on long improv'd conversations with little merit other than potential laughs, whereas the opening scene clearly establishes every side of Zuckerberg, and completely builds to its "You're an asshole" finale. The opening scene is utterly perfect.
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:58 pm |
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Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21895 Location: Walking around somewhere
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You are utterly wrong. Of course it clearly establishes it. I know what it does. Its poorly edited and completely unrealistic, unlike the rest of the film (0ther than the boat scene of course, but that works for me because of how stylish it is)
There is nothing perfect about that scene. It has good acting, and some witty dialogue, but the worst editing ever. And Magnus I would love to see you do a test on Sorkin dialogue, I you guarantee you would have never been able to decipher it. It's 2nd rate dialogue and a terrible opening to an otherwise awesome film. And the 3 people I went with commented on the same thing. One said awful, another Dark John Cera dialogue, the third hated the film in general so I wont say what he said.
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:11 pm |
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MGKC
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:42 pm Posts: 11808 Location: Kansas City, Kansas
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I still can't believe the twins were the same guy. Flawless.
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:49 pm |
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The Dark Shape
Extraordinary
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:56 am Posts: 12119 Location: Adrift in L.A.
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Thegun wrote: One said awful, another Dark John Cera dialogue, the third hated the film in general so I wont say what he said. And both sold out audiences I saw the film with broke into applause at the end of it. So there?
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Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:02 am |
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Caius
A very honest-hearted fellow
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:02 pm Posts: 4767
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Thegun wrote: It has good acting, and some witty dialogue, but the worst editing ever. And Magnus I would love to see you do a test on Sorkin dialogue, I you guarantee you would have never been able to decipher it.
Hehe
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Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:35 am |
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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 Re: The Social Network
I'm still baffled as to what "Dark John Cera dialogue" is.
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Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:13 am |
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Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21895 Location: Walking around somewhere
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trixster wrote: I'm still baffled as to what "Dark John Cera dialogue" is. Saying awkward stupid shit as a nerd, but it also hurts people's feelings and Magnus, of course it's Sorkin-esque. All you have to do is to have fast paced dialogue about meaningless stuff, but that is not exclusive to Sorkin. And why are we even talking about Sorkin as if he is that accomplished of a writer. He has a great coming to success story, but he's never been oscar worthy, until now. I think he does deserve a nomination for this script. If we can all collectively get past my hatred of the first scene, I have nothing bad to say about Sorkin in this film, or Fincher, or the actors, just the person who approved that opening scene.
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Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:34 am |
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Christian
Team Kris
Joined: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:02 pm Posts: 27584 Location: The Damage Control Table
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Very good film. The performances were terrific and for a talky movie, I just wanted it to go on and on and on.
One note: Cameron (the "brains") was played wholly by Armie Hammer while Tyler's (the "brawn") body was Josh Pence's. They superimposed Armie Hammer's head and voice over Pence's - if I remember correctly.
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Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:48 pm |
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Christian
Team Kris
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It looked very seamless. 
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Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:11 pm |
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redfirebird2008
Cream of the Crop
Joined: Thu May 03, 2007 4:13 am Posts: 2483
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Excellent film. Great script, acting, editing, and directing. I would give it a 9/10, which is a hell of an achievement considering it's a movie about the creation of Facebook. If Fincher and Sorkin weren't involved, this could have easily been a TV movie. Pirates of Silicon Valley comes to mind.
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Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:51 pm |
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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Who is John Cera?
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Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:14 pm |
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Christian
Team Kris
Joined: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:02 pm Posts: 27584 Location: The Damage Control Table
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Maybe thegun meant Michael Cera. Because lawd knows John Cena ain't much of a fast talker.
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Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:57 pm |
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Thegun
On autopilot for the summer
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 pm Posts: 21895 Location: Walking around somewhere
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Ha, yeah I just watched his silly 12 rounds. I just corrected someone too who said William H. Macy instead of John C. Reilly
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Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:31 pm |
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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It's not quite deserving of the almost unbelievable praise, but it is very, very good. Perhaps great.
Fincher and Sorkin work together better than I expected, considering their almost duelling auteurist tendencies. The thing moves at an insane clip. But it gradually slows down and nearly coasts to a stop, never really capitalizing on its sustained momentum. The obligatory text-on-screen wrap-ups seemed almost parodic; it may be an unwritten requirement of the biopic, but this was hardly representative of the form.
Still, it's a nearly perfect encapsulation of the decade that was. Dark, moody, sarcastic, and biting. Eisenberg, in particular, nails it. He never again should be thought of as a Michael Cera clone.
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Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:49 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40590
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I agree with trixster. It's a very good movie - But it didn't knock my off my chair or anything. I'd call it very well executed but standard material. I can already hear makeshift's review calling Fincher uncreative and boring. With that said being straight forward and "Oscary" hasn't stopped other movies like Quiz Show from being pantheon films, which the Social Network is clearly not. The first scene really represents the film, for good and bad. Other than the (brilliant) running bit at the start and the rowing, which uncoincidentally are two of the more memorable scenes, the rest of the film is literally a non stop stream of dialog. It's like 2001 or There Will Be Blood but the complete opposite. This is understandably Sorkin and Zuckman-esque... with that said a lot of human communication comes from what people aren't talking, which simply doesn't occur in this film. Arguably it leaves half of the Zuckerman and Eduardo characters on the table. In film you can often find as much power in images as dialog - just look at how effective the Creep trailer was - It's part of the Social Network's style that it's all dialog, but I do wish it shut up and let in the quiet every once in a while
What drives the film is what drives most tv shows and lesser movies - Good ol melodrama. Love all the scenes and arc between Zuckerman and Eduardo, despite seeing similar stories before.
Sean Parker is a fairly fascinating and underrated historical figure. Both Napster and Facebook were huge moments in the internet generation and he was there for both.
I liked the ending even more than the opening. One of the best recently. It reminded me of All About Eve's. Actually there's a lot of parallels between Eve and Zuckerman. Both are ruthlessly driven to the top from the beginning and end up joyless when they get there - And like how Bette Davis is the one we really care about in AAE despite Eve 'winning', Eduardo ends up the hero and one we care about more in this film, playing into Zuckerman's initial envy.
I'm OK with this winning Best Picture, but not estatic. I like The Hurt Locker, No Country, and The Departed more. Slumdog less
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Shack
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Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40590
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I disagree with the Kane comparison. Kane goes from good hearted boy/young man into cold tyrant. Zuckerman and Eve are power hungry, self serving sociopaths from beginning to end
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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It's Zuckerberg, not Zuckerman.
And the movie's very good. But not Fincher's best.
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Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:43 pm |
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Jim Halpert
Stanley Cup
Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:52 pm Posts: 6981 Location: Hockey Town
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ah list time
1. Se7en 2. Fight Clue 3. The Social Network 4. Zodiac 5. Panic Room 6. Benjamin Button 7. Alien 3
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Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:13 pm |
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Brian
Ocarina of Time
Joined: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:21 pm Posts: 7951 Location: Hyrule
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1. Seven 2. Fight Club 3. The Social Network 5. Zodiac 7. Benjamin Button 7. Panic Room 8. Alien 3 havent seen tha game yet Dr. Lecter wrote: It's Zuckerberg, not Zuckerman 
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Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:27 pm |
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Michael A
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:48 am Posts: 6245
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Fight Club
Social Network
Se7en
Benjamin Button
_________________Mr. R wrote: Malcolm wrote: You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself. Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.
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Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:03 pm |
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Malcolm
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1: Zodiac Se7en Fight Club The Social Network The Game 2: Panic Room Alien 3 (the extended one) The Curious Case of Benjamin Button 
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