Scorses keeps losing to boxing films!
By Algren \:D/

Start of the night went well for the Aviator, picking up Best Art Direction Oscar, then the Best Costume Design, followed by Best Supporting Actress for the VERY deserving cate Blanchett for her role as Katherine Hepburn, then it went on to recieve Best Film Editing and Cinematography.

At this point, Scorsese must have been thinking that he has the Oscar's "in the bag", so to speak, but this wasn't the case....Clint (with some help from Ray Charles) punched the shit out of him during the major four......winning Best Picture, Best Director AND Best Actress....with Jamie Foxx desered win with Best Actor for Ray......

This leaves one thing in peoples minds....."Scorses was robbed!" .........do you think he was robbed? are you annoyed? do you think that he deserved it over Clint ?`

Or is just that whenever one of his films is up for an Oscar, the BETTER film takes it away instead. I think that.

Am i annoyed? hell no! the better picture won in my opinion.

No. He didn't deserve to win for The Aviator. Maybe if it was for a more deserving film, then I would be upset.

This statement may be true for the last couple of times, but certainly not always the case. Dance with Wolves is a better film than GoodFellas? Ordinary People is better than Raging Bulls? Rocky over Taxi Driver?

It's weird that when Marty is up against a boxing movie, he lost, and when he decided to make one himself, he lost too.

I can take his loss this year since he probably lost to the most deserving winner ever that he has faced.

The best film which was Sideways didn't win last night. I feel bad for Aviator and Marty but I'm not annoyed. Neither Eastwood nor Scorsese had anything to win from winning, unlike the rest of the competition. Those two are still at the top of the food chain.

Eastwood only has a few years left to live and make films so maybe his win will sort out all the financing issues he's had lately. If anything good comes of this, that's it. Good filmmakers should never have to fight to get their vision on screen.

I do question whether or not Marty will ever win, since his current films aren't as good as what was nominated in the past. If The Aviator can't do it, I doubt a police drama remake will.

No, I'm not annoyed. Scorcese stopped making great movies after Goodfellas and Cape Fear.

:Respect:

Not annoyed at all. The best picture was clearly the best picture this year. Every now and again, the academy does it right!

Correctio!!!! 1977 and 2005 Oscar's proved that :wink:

Yes I was annoyed...the best picture did not win. I loved M$B, really I did...but it was not this great masterpiece IMO.

Marty was robbed...no doubt

Oh well, he'll cope, he's had a lot of practice :razz:

Well, it is a crime that Scorcese doesn't have an Oscar yet. However, MILLION DOLLAR BABY was great and Clint Eastwood did an excellent job directing it. I haven't seen THE AVIATOR yet and I'm sure it's good, but Martin still has plenty of time to win an Oscar.

I somehow doubt you have ever seen Annie Hall...

No and yes. Clint did deserve it, but Marty deserved it so many times before that I thought he should've gotten it. Either way, I'm happy. I hope next year wont be so predictable.

UK Guardian talks about Marty

http://film.guardian.co.uk/oscars2005/story/0,15583,1427081,00.html

Oscars' mean streets

This should have been Scorsese's year, writes Xan Brooks, but in the brutal world of the Oscars, triumph and disaster turns on the opening of an envelope

Xan Brooks
Monday February 28, 2005
Guardian Unlimited

If you play the tape in slow motion it looks as though Martin Scorsese has just swallowed a stone. There he is, caught in his split-screen segment as Clint Eastwood's name is read out as best director. He turns his head, gulps something to his neighbour and flashes a smile that looks perilously close to a grimace. This was the moment that his overdue Oscar blew tantalisingly past his outstretched hands.

In a perfect world, of course, Martin Scorsese would never have won for The Aviator. He would have won for Raging Bull, or Goodfellas, or Taxi Driver, or Mean Streets. He might even have won for Casino, or King of Comedy, or Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore. All of them are immeasurably richer, better movies than The Aviator, which is brash and enjoyable but finally insubstantial. But the fact is that Scorsese deserves his Oscar. He is arguably the most important film-maker of the last 30 years, and it is long past time that the Academy recognised him, even for a film that falls some way short of his best.

Clearly this is not to be. In the past the director has speculated that he is perhaps just that shade too "New York" to connect with the predominantly LA-based voters who decide the direction of each year's awards. They are more comfortable with the likes of Eastwood, a creature of the American west who settled down to become the mayor of a California town and the closest that Hollywood society has to royalty. They may admire Scorsese for his energy and drive, but they have never felt entirely comfortable with him. Even in cuddly, white-haired old age (and he is now 64 years-old) he finds himself regarded as some manic enfant-terrible, a talented upstart who needs to grow up and calm down.

No sooner had this year's nominations been announced than the 77th Academy Awards were being talked about as a two-horse race. Everyone knew that Jamie Foxx was a shoo-in for the best actor Oscar, and although the race for best actress was a lot more open it never really stirred the public imagination. Instead, the real showdown was between Clint and Marty; two giants of American cinema and men of great contrast. Eastwood had triumphed at the Golden Globes but the omens appeared to be on Scorsese's side. He was this year's sentimental favourite. Insiders predicted that this was his year.

For most of the evening The Aviator appeared to have the momentum. It was winning in every category it was nominated in, racking up the awards and gliding effortlessly towards those all-important best director and best picture Oscars. Then suddenly it all went haywire. As the ceremony plunged towards its closing credits, Million Dollar Baby landed the knock-out blow. Eastwood was on the stage and Scorsese was in his seat, gulping, smiling, and clapping through the disappointment. Until that moment this year's Oscars had been a sedate, predictable bore. In those few moments it blossomed into something horribly compelling.

Explaining his decision to shoot 1993's The Age of Innocence, Martin Scorsese said that he felt an affinity to Edith Wharton's refined world because it was actually just as brutal, unforgiving and cruel as the gangster landscapes of Mean Streets or Casino; the only difference was that they killed you with a word or a look as opposed to a knife or a gun. He might as well have been talking about the Oscars themselves, which promise the earth and then leave you twisting in the wind, your moment of humiliation preserved for all to see. One minute you're a contender, a big shot, a wise guy. The next they open the envelope and cut your throat from ear to ear. So Eastwood lives and Scorsese dies. At least for another year.

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2005

1977's Oscar's would mean Rocky winning it over Scorsese, is what i meant. AND i have seen Annie Hall, so you are wrong.

I wouldn't say I'm annoyed so much as I feel sorry for the guy and YES, The Academy should've split the vote down the middle and gave Scorcese either BEST DIRECTOR or BEST PICTURE and Eastwood the other.. I don't think Eastwood deserved both awards over Scorcese and I think it's only because the Academy adores Eastwood and in the end, Eastwood could make a shitty movie and he'd still be nominated and would win just because of his popularity...

I'm glad they didn't give Marty anything. One of the things I hate about the Oscars, is when they reward stuff for past greatness. If you don't do something worthy, you're shit out of luck. Eastwood earned his Oscars, and it would have been a disservice to him to give Marty one to makeup for past political bs. I'd like to see them get away from that stuff. Freeman won, but a very strong argument for this particular performance being on par with his best can be made, while everybody thinks The Aviator is not nearly as good as Scorsese's best work.

As far as Eastwood getting nominated for anything he does, then why was this only his 3rd nomination (2 in the last 2 years) in a 35 year directing career covering 25 movies? Wouldn't he at least be in double digits by now if that were true? The truth is, in the last 2 years, he made movies that were so good, there was no denying acknowledging them.

That's the same I was thinking today

However, in my opinion neither Rocky nor Raging Bull were Best Picture-worthy.

Still need to see Million Dollar Baby.

Lect, you gotta see M$B.

I will, but I decided that in a case of a Bst Picture winner, I prefer the silver screen over a computer screen. Which means, I have to wait until March 24th.

In the meanwhile, I'm going to check out Sideways for the second time with friends \:D/

I don't really mind, actually. I've heard really good things about Million Dollar Baby, and I'm pretty tired of the "making up for past sins" awards. I know, that's treading dangerous territory with Maverikk. :wink:

I'm curious to hear Marty's reaction. I heard a second hand comment that he said "I got the message", but I'd rather hear or read a direct quote from him. I can't imagine he is too pleased after losing again , but oh well, he needs to put a little heart into his movies, something that will touch the academy in a personal way, and quit worrying about going for spectacle.

That's why he was beat this year, and the sooner he decides to quit worrying about dazzling the academy, and just focuses on giving the movie a pulse, the sooner he will hear his name called by a presenter at the Oscars. I hope THAT is the message that he got, and not some 'woe is me, the academy doesn't like me " message. 5 nominations tells me that they DO like him.

Marty's problem is subject matter. He needed to remake Old Yeller.

To suggest M$B was nurtured anymore than The Aviator was is kinda silly. [-X

Both films were on a whim.

Schwarzenegger passed on M$B and Eastwood insisted on a rewrite. Mann passed The Aviator to Marty after years of hot potato.

We aren't talking about The Passion of the Christ or Titanic here. #-o

You forgot about Anchorman!