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BJ Killing With Kindness Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:57 pm Posts: 25035 Location: Anchorage,Alaska	Re: Inception only my third 10/10 film ever _________________ The Force Awakens
Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:38 pm

Rev Romosexual! Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:06 am Posts: 32625 Location: the last free city	Re: Inception A- It didn't suck. The top wobbled. Cobb made it back to the real, real world. The whole Zero G sequence was my fav part. _________________ Is it 2028 yet?
Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:13 pm

Alex Y. Top Poster Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:47 pm Posts: 5824	Re: Inception A theory online that much better expresses the idea that everything was in the movie was a dream than my rambling post-movie thoughts yesterday: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/boa ... 070198?p=1 Even if you disagree with this particular reading of the film, it's still worth exploring multiple layers and symbolism rather than take film at face value.
Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:47 pm

BJ Killing With Kindness Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:57 pm Posts: 25035 Location: Anchorage,Alaska	Re: Inception Alex Y. wrote: A theory online that much better expresses the idea that everything was in the movie was a dream than my rambling post-movie thoughts yesterday: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/boa ... 070198?p=1 Even if you disagree with this particular reading of the film, it's still worth exploring multiple layers and symbolism rather than take film at face value. very possible indeed, perhaps I am taking the film to literally.... _________________ The Force Awakens
Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:30 pm

Excel Superfreak Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:54 am Posts: 22210 Location: Places	Re: Inception redfirebird2008 wrote: Magception wrote: The setting of the third level is very cool and I love all the snow outfits they wore. Just the sequences themselves were average. The zero gravity scene was just cinematic bliss. The camerawork for Nolan's action scenes isn't that great. It's just a general flaw in his filmmaking style. He's in the Greengrass mold, although not as good at the quick cuts as Greengrass. Nolan shoots his action sequences very straight forward and directly; it certainly limits the flair and creativity of the scenes. _________________ Ari Emmanuel wrote: I'd rather marry lindsay Lohan than represent Mel Gibson.
Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:18 pm

Grill Forum General Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:01 am Posts: 8684	Re: Inception fyi....Nolan incepted an idea in the audiences head!!!! The idea was....you do not understand this movie, you must pay to see it again to understand it!
Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:40 pm

Chippy KJ's Leading Pundit Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!	Re: Inception Except we know that Nolan planted the idea. Thus, it's not Inception. _________________ trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct Rev wrote: Fuck Trump
Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:47 pm

Grill Forum General Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:01 am Posts: 8684	Re: Inception Chipo DiCaprio wrote: Except we know that Nolan planted the idea. Thus, it's not Inception. but you didn't know, until I told you! or where did anyone say it.
Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:52 pm

mdana Veteran Joined: Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:07 pm Posts: 3004	Re: Inception I put my mini-review and my interpretation of the movie in spoilers. When I am interested in a movie, I like to read these sections, and I don't want to spoil anyone's enjoyment. Grade A+ Spoiler: show The movie itself: Matrix+ Heat/Dreamscape+Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind+Shutter Island A+ As far as I can tell there are three valid interpretations: 1. Straightforward-Cobb works as an extractor and does an inception for Saito. When Saito gets pulled into limbo, while Cobb performs his inception, Cobb goes deeper than originally planned and saves Saito. Saito compensates Cobb with the prearranged payment. 2. From the inception of the film, Cobb is in limbo and finally returns to reality. 3. From the inception of the film, Cobb is in limbo and enters another level or layer. All have flaws, due to Cobb being an unreliable narrator. I am suprised that no one has mentioned that two of the main characters are named Emes and Fischer, which to me recall this guy: M.C. Escher He was probably most widely known for impossible objects- Quote: In most cases the impossibility becomes apparent after viewing the figure for a few seconds. However, the initial impression of a 3D object remains even after it has been contradicted. There are also more subtle examples of impossible objects where the impossibility does not become apparent spontaneously and it is necessary to consciously examine the geometry of the implied object to determine that it is impossible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_object I don't think there is one unifying theory to point to as "Aha, this is the answer." To me this is Nolan's love letter to Escher, movies, and especially moviegoers. Like Powell's Peeping Tom and some of Hitchcock's more sublime work, he has inverted the passive viewer and made him or her implicit in their own deception. By planting in our minds there is logic and reason to be had, we deny or discount we are in a dream state. Like Cobb's washing up on the beach (which I continuosly reminded myself throughout the movie to remember how the dream/movie began), each moviegoer has no recollection of what has transpired beforehand and rapidly has to catch up to the situation in a hurried, frenzied state. Some things seem so important to piece together this seemingly logical puzzle. Then, just as it is all coming together, and you are about to come to the amazing revelation of what it all means-"Will the dradle topple or not?"- The dreams ends, and it is all lost forever never to be regained what exactly it meant. Yet you are drawn to somehow relive the dream in order to recapture that spirit... INCEPTION _________________ http://www.districtvibe.com/ Last edited by mdana on Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:01 pm

Eventine Too Brilliant for Introductions Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:45 am Posts: 3073	Re: Inception Inception is what a summer blockbuster should be: a brilliant idea with outstanding execution. The acting was not anything particularly special (except for Marion, who simply blew me away, and Page, who wasn't really good but can do no wrong in my eyes), and the action scenes, apart from the mind-blowing zero g scene, was average, but those little flaws were offset with tight writing and really really good editing. I came in the movie expecting it to be Nolan's best. I was a bit disappointed that it wasn't, but I can't deny that Inception is well made and is an example that Hollywood needs to follow. Memento and TDK were better, but not by much. A _________________
Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:18 pm

Eventine Too Brilliant for Introductions Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:45 am Posts: 3073	Re: Inception I feel that Inception is a hybrid of TDK and Memento. It's got the complexity and very layered storytelling of Memento and the spectacle and scale of TDK. _________________
Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:27 pm

trixster loyalfromlondon Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie	Re: Inception Sure, it seems to make up its rules as it goes along. Sure, it doesn't really capture the feel or look or sense of a dream (I've never had a dream where I was fully aware I was dreaming, let alone felt in control of my actions). Sure, it's perhaps a little too literal and logical and grounded for such an airy subject. But it's still pretty incredible. It's quite something to see a film that combines muscular editing, intense action, and genuine existentialism like this, but it does it all relatively freely and with limited exposition. It's a tough subject to sell, both as a work of art and a piece of entertainment, but Nolan pulled it off. Dreams within dreams within dreams would've been a joke in anyone else's hands. And that ending! He sure loves those smash cuts to black to end his films, eh? Spoiler: show I don't think Leo was dreaming at the end, but if he was, he certainly thought it was reality. Besides, it would cheapen his arc (and the entire film) to have it pull out the ol' "it was all a dream" twist. The top was slowing down, after all. I think Nolan was just toying with us. _________________ Magic Mike wrote: zwackerm wrote: If John Wick 2 even makes 30 million I will eat 1,000 shoes. Same. Algren wrote: I don't think. I predict.
Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:39 am

snack Extraordinary Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:18 pm Posts: 12159	Re: Inception very serious boy movie give A+ or ur a fag A+
Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:07 am

Libs Sbil Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA	Re: Inception Lucy Moran wrote: very serious boy movie give A+ or ur a fag A+ snack what are you doing
Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:14 am

redfirebird2008 Cream of the Crop Joined: Thu May 03, 2007 4:13 am Posts: 2483	Re: Inception http://chud.com/articles/articles/24477 ... Page1.html Very interesting argument from Devin at CHUD. I'm really leaning towards this film being an instant classic although obviously that can't be confirmed until repeat viewings. There's a ton of ambiguity and a lot of red herrings in both directions to the point that either argument can be convincingly made, although Devin is saying he thinks the dream argument is going to be the only accepted one years down the line. Will be interesting to see for sure, but it's definitely a buzzworthy ending. I have never heard a theater react like that before at a movie. And no it wasn't a midnight show.
Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:43 am

Tyler Powered By Hate Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:55 pm Posts: 7578 Location: Torrington, CT	Re: Inception trixster wrote: Sure, it seems to make up its rules as it goes along. Sure, it doesn't really capture the feel or look or sense of a dream (I've never had a dream where I was fully aware I was dreaming, let alone felt in control of my actions). Sure, it's perhaps a little too literal and logical and grounded for such an airy subject. But it's still pretty incredible. It's quite something to see a film that combines muscular editing, intense action, and genuine existentialism like this, but it does it all relatively freely and with limited exposition. It's a tough subject to sell, both as a work of art and a piece of entertainment, but Nolan pulled it off. Dreams within dreams within dreams would've been a joke in anyone else's hands. And that ending! He sure loves those smash cuts to black to end his films, eh? Spoiler: show I don't think Leo was dreaming at the end, but if he was, he certainly thought it was reality. Besides, it would cheapen his arc (and the entire film) to have it pull out the ol' "it was all a dream" twist. The top was slowing down, after all. I think Nolan was just toying with us. This. 9/10. _________________ It's my lucky crack pipe.
Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:10 am

Michael A Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:48 am Posts: 6245	Re: Inception I'm not sure how great it was, but it was a very good film. I'm not sure what grade I can quantify it with, or how it compares to TDK, imo these movies are actually incredibly different. Inception, all in all, is simply not akin to any film I have ever seen. There may be similar movies out there, or perhaps some feel it does have relation to TDK or Memento, or various other films. To me it really is one of the most original pieces of cinema I've seen made in at least a decade. The combination of events sounds so ludicrous on the surface: a close personal drama about a guy struggling to grasp reality and the loss of his wife, wrapped in 5 different layers of storytelling, done to a blockbuster scale roving through different worlds. It is a bizarre concept and yet it unfolded rather beautifully. I'm still not sure what to do with it. Another viewing is certainly needed to clarify. It is at least the 2nd best film this year, but I'm not sure if it surpasses Toy Story or not. _________________ Mr. R wrote: Malcolm wrote: You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself. Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.
Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:14 am

BK Forum General Joined: Sun May 13, 2007 8:30 am Posts: 7041	Re: Inception ^Is the best Toy Story or is Toy Story 2nd? Anyway, IMO, why it shouldn't be a dream is because it, as others have stated, cheapens Leo's story arc, his character etc. that after making such a declaration to Mal, he does what he said not to do. Yes, Arthur (JGL) says that's what Cobb tends to do but his kids have grown up and like I said, within moments Cobb would know if he were in a dream after meeting them. Furthermore, if we are to believe that Cobb is still dreaming then we are saying that Mal is possibly alive/not dreaming/earlier state or whatever, but, and this is key, Cobb planted that 'idea' in Mal's mind that her world is not real and that made her jump and that will always make her jump again and again and again because it's a parasite that she cannot be rid of. So, technically, she's not in the right state of mind to be the 'truth' in the movie. _________________ Calls Ghost Rider + Clash of the Titans = 2x Wrath of the Titans + Ghost Rider 2 Lorax over Despicable Me Men in Black 3 Under 100m Madagascar 3 Under 100m Rise of the Guardians over 250m
Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:44 am

mdana Veteran Joined: Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:07 pm Posts: 3004	Re: Inception OMG, I just woke up from a dream and it came to me. Spoiler: show The movie has elements of all the movies I listed in my previous post, but the movie that is the baseline for the film is really Dead of Winter (1945). Perhaps the greatest horror film (IMHO), it was the first film I saw (I was 12) that was a real mindf%k. Quote: Architect* Walter Craig, seeking the possibility of some work at a country farmhouse, soon finds himself once again stuck in his recurring nightmare. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0037635/ It's got the dream loop, its got the totem (broken glasses), and it improves on one of the best endings ever. It's got other similarities, but I have to get back to REM, to see if I can figure out which ones. _________________ http://www.districtvibe.com/
Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:48 am

mdana Veteran Joined: Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:07 pm Posts: 3004	Re: Inception redfirebird2008 wrote: http://chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html Very interesting argument from Devin at CHUD. I'm really leaning towards this film being an instant classic although obviously that can't be confirmed until repeat viewings. There's a ton of ambiguity and a lot of red herrings in both directions to the point that either argument can be convincingly made, although Devin is saying he thinks the dream argument is going to be the only accepted one years down the line. Will be interesting to see for sure, but it's definitely a buzzworthy ending. I have never heard a theater react like that before at a movie. And no it wasn't a midnight show. Spoiler: show I really enjoyed that article, and I think he raises some valid interpretations. However, I still think Escher's distorted perspectives (the compass for viewing this film's terrain) invalidate any one specific interpretation. Nothing holds up to a logical reality, if you look at it from another angle. For instance seen from another viewpoint, I would argue the mark is more likely the studio (I just stole $160m from you to make a big budget symbolic mindf*#k, you dumbass) than the audience. That it might make money for the studios in the long run or works as an allegory in the dynamics of filmaking might just be serendipity. I am not that smart. What do I know? Thanks for sharing the piece. _________________ http://www.districtvibe.com/
Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:34 am

BK Forum General Joined: Sun May 13, 2007 8:30 am Posts: 7041	Re: Inception redfirebird2008 wrote: http://chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html Very interesting argument from Devin at CHUD. I'm really leaning towards this film being an instant classic although obviously that can't be confirmed until repeat viewings. There's a ton of ambiguity and a lot of red herrings in both directions to the point that either argument can be convincingly made, although Devin is saying he thinks the dream argument is going to be the only accepted one years down the line. Will be interesting to see for sure, but it's definitely a buzzworthy ending. I have never heard a theater react like that before at a movie. And no it wasn't a midnight show. Interesting but he still fails to prove anything. The metaphors about the dreamer's jobs and how real movies are made is very cool but his point about everything being a dream does not. There is logic to Watanabe's character being there if he so badly wants to stop Fischer from consolidating his company and it is possible for alleys as such to exist in a place like Mombasa but it also is an homage to problems/panic in dreams. Also, how is it more realistic for the sequence to represent the gap etc? Metaphorically, yes, but realistically it's obvious she rented the room since she planned all the way down to estranging him from their kids. He's getting absorbed into his own fanboyism there. A movie's like literature, everything can be seen as to mean something else if you analyze hard enough and have enough 'proof'. _________________ Calls Ghost Rider + Clash of the Titans = 2x Wrath of the Titans + Ghost Rider 2 Lorax over Despicable Me Men in Black 3 Under 100m Madagascar 3 Under 100m Rise of the Guardians over 250m
Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:02 am

nghtvsn Extraordinary Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:13 pm Posts: 11016 Location: Warren Theatre Oklahoma	Re: Inception After watching it again I'm believing that Cobb actually did make it out and that he made it to reality. Since, we don't know how much time passed in real life between his wife's death and him reuniting with his kids it doesn't matter how old they were and even though his memory of his kids is almost exactly how it appears when he does finally see them I can get over that. It's possible his kids would be outside playing just like his memory. So I do think Cobb made it out of that limbo he and Saito were in. I really like this film but on the second viewing I really didn't notice much anything new other than me trying to keep track of who's dream the levels were in and how far they were going. I did enjoy the relationship story of Mal and Cobb more the 2nd time as it all gelled together better. The 2nd time I saw it with the non-midnight crowed the audience seemed to really enjoy how it ended. Maybe the groan I heard during the midnight show was more of an "aww damn, he left us hangin'" type of groan. _________________ 2009 World of KJ Fantasy Football World Champion Team MVP : Peyton Manning : Record 11-5 : Points 2669.00 [b]FREE KORRGAN 45TH PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. DONALD J. TRUMP #MAGA #KAG! 10,000 post achieved on - Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 7:49 pm
Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:31 am

Michael A Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:48 am Posts: 6245	Re: Inception BK wrote: ^Is the best Toy Story or is Toy Story 2nd? Anyway, IMO, why it shouldn't be a dream is because it, as others have stated, cheapens Leo's story arc, his character etc. that after making such a declaration to Mal, he does what he said not to do. Yes, Arthur (JGL) says that's what Cobb tends to do but his kids have grown up and like I said, within moments Cobb would know if he were in a dream after meeting them. Furthermore, if we are to believe that Cobb is still dreaming then we are saying that Mal is possibly alive/not dreaming/earlier state or whatever, but, and this is key, Cobb planted that 'idea' in Mal's mind that her world is not real and that made her jump and that will always make her jump again and again and again because it's a parasite that she cannot be rid of. So, technically, she's not in the right state of mind to be the 'truth' in the movie. I think the "open ending" was included not as a further arch for the story, but rather to push the theme of the film, namely what is reality and sanity. Furthermore I believe Nolan simply is not content with a happy ever after ending. Memento, the ending is anything but. Prestige, again, the ending is probably the most devastating piece of it. Batman Begins leaves off for a sequel. TDK he has to bear the weight of a murderer to cover for Dent, again not exactly all joys and smiles. He couldn't just have Cobb overcome his guilt and be happy with his children. So he decided to push his motifs a little further. _________________ Mr. R wrote: Malcolm wrote: You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself. Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.
Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:26 am

xiayun Extraordinary Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:41 pm Posts: 25109 Location: San Mateo, CA	Re: Inception nghtvsn wrote: After watching it again I'm believing that Cobb actually did make it out and that he made it to reality. I agree as well after second viewing. There were a couple of occasions earlier in the film where the totem did fall after all, like when he first explained its usage to Page, and it was slowing down at the last second of the film. I think it's simply that Nolan is teasing us audience in trying to see if we could remember anything prior and how we got to that point, mirroring the whole subject of dream. Unlike say The Sixth Sense or Usual Suspects, the film isn't built toward or around that last premise, that a-ha moment, as it has successfully explored the theme and world it's trying to build, so I don't think Nolan is intending to go for that one shocking effect but rather generating more conversations. _________________ Recent watched movies: American Hustle - B+ Inside Llewyn Davis - B Before Midnight - A 12 Years a Slave - A- The Hunger Games: Catching Fire - A- My thoughts on box office
Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:15 pm

mdana Veteran Joined: Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:07 pm Posts: 3004	Re: Inception Magception wrote: This is a MUST-READ article: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/20 ... swers.html Explains everything about the "rules" and discusses all the theories. It's been a long-time since we've had a mass-appealing film create such debate. The Matrix was probably the last film to do so IMO. Wouldn't the Sixth Sense be more recent? _________________ http://www.districtvibe.com/
Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:50 pm
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