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Jeff
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 Exorcist: The Beginning (The Alternate Version)
Exorcist: The Beginning
Go Back...to where evil was born
Director: Paul Schrader Release Date: Unknown
This is the original version of the Morgan Creek/Warner Brother's prequel Exorcist: The Beginning. It is the fourth film in the franchise, following the critically acclaimed original and its two sub-par sequels.
The film was completed by Paul Schrader, but Morgan Creek felt it did not have enough gore and therefore hired fellow horror-director Renny Harlin to complete 98% reshoots of the film.
However, due to contractual obligations, Morgan Creek/Warner Brothers is required to release the alternate version of the film, either direct-to-dvd or through a theatrical release..
Trailer: Here (zip file)
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Last edited by Jeff on Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:59 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:30 pm |
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I like Renny as a director but his version of The Exorcist didn't work for me. I hope to see Paul's version. I know it's getting screened at a European film festival.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4276849.stm
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:11 pm |
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Jeff
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I haven't seen any of the Exorcist sequels, though I plan to watch them sometime over the next few months. I'll probably rent Exorcist: The Beginning when it comes out.
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:52 pm |
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Plot
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Even if it gets good reviews, it'll bomb because of how much people hated the other version.
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:56 pm |
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The Dark Shape
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People hated the original version? Outside of your general movie message board geeks (no offense intended towards any of us  )? Everyone I know who saw Harlin's film liked it.
That said, the trailer is downloading now, and I'm very much looking forward to Schrader's film. It's in the vein of The Exorcist and Legion, the two films in the series that I absolutely adore. However, from the two screencaps Bloody-Disgusting posted... When I read the script, I thought the statue with the Pazuzu head would be a little more terrifying and a little less cheesy.
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Okay, Cheche just looks goofy.
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:23 pm |
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jenniferofthejungle
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Plot wrote: Even if it gets good reviews, it'll bomb because of how much people hated the other version.
I hated Harlin's version, but I am eagerly waiting for this one.
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:58 pm |
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Maximus
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God knows ETB sucked. Hard. Not enough meat here to tell if this one is worthwhile. It couldn't be anyworse. It is kinda wierd to see two movies with the same characters and name... heh....
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:08 pm |
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The Dark Shape
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It's the same damn thing, just slower with a different possessed person at the end.
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Bell
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i never seen Renny Harlin's version, so i don't think i should see this one either. 
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 Re: Exorcist: The Beginning (The Alternate Version)
RogueCommander wrote: Exorcist: The BeginningGo Back...to where evil was born Director: Paul Schrader Release Date: UnknownThis is the original version of the Warner Brother's prequel Exorcist: The Beginning. It is the fourth film in the franchise, following the critically acclaimed original and its two sub-par sequels. The film was completed by Paul Schrader, but Warner Brother's felt it did not have enough gore and therefore hired fellow horror-director Renny Harlin to complete 98% reshoots of the film. However, due to contractual obligations, Warner Brothers is required to release the alternate version of the film, either direct-to-dvd or through a theatrical release..Trailer: Here (zip file)
The whole concept of making another one of these movies was Absurd to the say the least and the only sequel to The EXORCIST that's even remotely worth tuning into is The EXORCIST III... Now that IS good and I like how they brought the young priest into play blended with The Gemini Killer.. :2up:
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mary
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 Re: Exorcist: The Beginning (The Alternate Version)
RogueCommander wrote: Exorcist: The BeginningGo Back...to where evil was born Director: Paul Schrader Release Date: UnknownThis is the original version of the Warner Brother's prequel Exorcist: The Beginning. It is the fourth film in the franchise, following the critically acclaimed original and its two sub-par sequels. The film was completed by Paul Schrader, but Warner Brother's felt it did not have enough gore and therefore hired fellow horror-director Renny Harlin to complete 98% reshoots of the film. However, due to contractual obligations, Warner Brothers is required to release the alternate version of the film, either direct-to-dvd or through a theatrical release..Trailer: Here (zip file) Warner didn't produce this movie; Morgan Creek produced this movie. http://www.comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=8483Quote: Schrader was originally hired to shoot Exorcist: The Beginning, but when Morgan Creek Productions saw his cut - a more psychological horror film and not the expected special effects extravaganza - the studio decided to reshoot the movie with Renny Harlin at the helm.
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Jeff
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You are correct mary. I meant to change that once I read that.
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Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:58 am |
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mary
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RogueCommander wrote: You are correct mary. I meant to change that once I read that.
Thank you~~ :razz:
In fact, Warner Bros releases this movie because of their "rent-a-system" deal with Morgan Creek. (which means that Warner Bros paid $0 on this movie; they releases this movie for a
percentage distribution fee.) Although Exorcist: The Beginning became a box office BOMB, Warner Bros are actually making a nice profit on this movie.
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Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:18 am |
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The Dark Shape
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Beginning pulled in over $40 million domestically. That's not a hit, but it's not a bomb either. Especially when just about every 'forecaster' was predicting much, much less.
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Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:59 pm |
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Jeff
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The Dark Shape wrote: Beginning pulled in over $40 million domestically. That's not a hit, but it's not a bomb either. Especially when just about every 'forecaster' was predicting much, much less.
The original production budget was $80 million, but it likely exceeded that due to all the reshoots. The P&A budget was an additional $25 million. That is over $105 million, and the studio likely made only around $40 million total off of the worldwide box office. Granted it should pull in at least that much from DVD sales, but the film still did bomb at the domestic box office.
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Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:03 pm |
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Jeff
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mary wrote: RogueCommander wrote: You are correct mary. I meant to change that once I read that. Thank you~~ :razz:
:wink: I fixed it in the original post too.
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Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:04 pm |
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Jeff
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Exorcist: The Beginning would need to sell around 10-15 million combined VHS/DVD sales of the original version and another 2-3 million of the alternate version to cover costs (as there are likely editing, sound, special effects and DVD production costs).
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Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:06 pm |
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The Dark Shape
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10-15 million combined? Even if we say the rental/video chains get 50% of the profits on sales, five or six million copies sold would break even, considering Morgan Creek actually "profitted" on something like $53 million of the worldwide gross.
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Jeff
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The final budget is not known though but is estimated due to the reshoots to be around $100-$120 million.
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Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:40 pm |
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mary
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Anyway, Morgan Creek's president was hoping for $40 million opening weekend.
Therefore, this movie is definitely a box office disappointment.
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Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:55 pm |
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The Dark Shape
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RogueCommander wrote: The final budget is not known though but is estimated due to the reshoots to be around $100-$120 million. It's $85 million. Schrader's film cost $35 million and Harlin's film came in (ironically) at $50 million. mary wrote: Anyway, Morgan Creek's president was hoping for $40 million opening weekend.
Therefore, this movie is definitely a box office disappointment.
Either James Robinson is a complete and utter moron (which is possible, as he keeps trying to force an Exorcist television series onto the air), or he was misquoted and meant $40 million total (which makes it the second highest grossing picture in the series; an opening weekend of that size would top the total gross of Exorcist III: Legion). I lean towards the ladder, if only for the man's sanity.
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Jeff
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Even with the budget at $85 million, the total budget was around $125 million-$140 million depending on international P&A. The film still needs to sell quite a few DVDs in order to earn a profit.
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Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:17 pm |
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The Dark Shape
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I doubt Warner Bros/Morgan Creek spent more than $30 million on worldwide marketing. Maybe $20 million domestically and $10 overseas. So that's $65 million you need to cover in DVD sales, which is pretty doable.
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Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:20 pm |
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mary
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The Dark Shape wrote: RogueCommander wrote: The final budget is not known though but is estimated due to the reshoots to be around $100-$120 million. It's $85 million. Schrader's film cost $35 million and Harlin's film came in (ironically) at $50 million. mary wrote: Anyway, Morgan Creek's president was hoping for $40 million opening weekend.
Therefore, this movie is definitely a box office disappointment. Either James Robinson is a complete and utter moron (which is possible, as he keeps trying to force an Exorcist television series onto the air), or he was misquoted and meant $40 million total (which makes it the second highest grossing picture in the series; an opening weekend of that size would top the total gross of Exorcist III: Legion). I lean towards the ladder, if only for the man's sanity. . From LA times, Aug 18, 2004. article "A devil of a time; Three directors, six writers and two stars later, an 'Exorcist' prequel is ready to open." Quote: Ultimately, Robinson knows exactly what it will take to make his big gamble worthwhile. "I get out with my money if we open at $40 million," Robinson said, hoping for a debut weekend that not even the modest hit "Alien vs. Predator" managed to reach. "If we hit that, nobody wins, nobody loses." In the final analysis, Robinson said, he feels he made the right decision.
"Granted, you probably never heard anybody going back to reshoot a movie," he said. "But I did it. I did it because I thought 'The Exorcist' needed to continue on as a highly commercial, scary franchise.
In fact, as I said before, Warner Bros paid $0 on this movie.
However, The Dark Shape, I agree with you that this movie will break even. DVD market had saved so many box office bombs.
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