sorry Mav .. you asked torrino what his age was ... and when he asked you why, you said you wanted to know if he was a snot ridden disrespectful teenager ... or something to that effect ..

dont know how you wished to decipher if hes snot ridden or disrespectful by just asking him his age and nothing more. Sorry, can't buy that.

and if his mom and dad bought him his computer or not has absolutely no merit to this discussion. If you guys want to resort to personal attacks, i'll let those pass as i have been of late but if people around here wish to argue, i would expect enough respect from everyone here not to base their argument by descrditing another based on income, age sex or anything of the sort unless it can somehow relate to the argument here (example: You need to be a parent sometimes to understand why that family movie was soo good etc).

Some lava beast?

Why don't you prove to me that you can write a screenplay better than me, and then when you do, you will prove you know what you're talking about more than I do.



Maybe the fact that I could write a screenplay, tells me that I understand. Maybe the fact that I have done some acting. Maybe the fact that my musical background understands a score better than you do. What have you got on your resume, besides watching. There is a big difference between watching and doing.



The general opinion is how many people?



Yes you did, and you're retractring you comments now.



You're entitled to your opinion, but you're agenda was easy to see. Mad about me dissing your buddy Zingaling's movie were we? The way you two are trying to tag team, I'd say that's a fair bet.



Good.

How in God's name do you know about the general concensus? Did you talk to everyone? Atleast I've shown you proof of what I'm talking about instead of saying "HA! Hitch beat Constantine for the weekend! Constantine is already falling like a rock!". That's something I'd expect from an 8-year old, ignorant (to box office) kid. Coming from an *adult* is pretty shocking to me. You have no idea about box office in general, and base everything on opinion. If a 1% increase on Saturday translates to terrible WOM, then it looks like the majority of the genre sucks, and will all fall like rocks (though not many actually have). Your head is too far up your ass to realize that. But, enough about Constantine's box office, since you know nothing about box office in general.

And, you think I know little because I have only lived 16 years? That's a big pile of crap. Maybe if you didn't think that all teens were potheads who have no respect for their elders, you would realize that teens are smarter than you would expect.

fair point



No but it is hard to find amovie buddy with the exact same taste as oneself. I used to go the movies every week with a friend and we trade off on who picked the movie, so I had to see The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, but he had to see Sweet Sixteen, and while I often hated the movies he picked for having a predictable plot and pis spoor effects he often hate dhte movies I picked fo rbeing to talky and boring. Sometimes though he loved the movies i picked and I loved hte moives he picked, and it was great to hang out with him and argue about the movie at dinner.

Part of it is very social, I saw many a crap films with my friends through juior high, high school, college, and still today, for the experience of hanigng out with them.



A good leader knows when to give in and follow, and when to take charge, doing either all 100% of the time makes one a bad leader and a bad follower.



A person bias is always a vlaid arguemtn against the opinion, we always have a bias, true objective is something that one raelly canot reach...and if you could, should you. One judge of htis third film is if the story of Vader can bring together these first two films and end this triligy on a high note. if this third film is good, raelly good, int he long run it could do alot for how people remember the first two.

I grew up with Star Wars, the Imperial march was the ring tone on my cell phone for like two years until I broke the phone and bought a new model. That love of the orginals effects how I see these news ones. Jsut as someone who has never thought much of the OT, will come at the news with a much different opinion.

I did not like the first film when I saw it, but in comparison to the second one, my opinion of it is less harsh. If this third film can bring continuity it may bring about a new appreciation for the other two.

The opinion of those who want to hate the film hsa a place, jsut like the opinion of those who will like a film reagrdless, and with something like Star Wars there are millions of people in both camps. Both groups of people are defensive, and with reason, heck, at BOM when I went over what I do not like about TTT, I was labeled both a purist of the books and a hater of the films for the same comments..niether of which is true.



Yes, I may not be gung ho to see this movie, but whether I like it not I will back up that feeling with examples and facts from the movie. I am always fine with people hating movies I love, as long as they bring reasons.

But I also tend to to fall on the minority side of opinions (like I happen to be a fan of LOTR, but I disliked ROTK), so I am used to spending alot of time justisfying my opinion.

I suspect alot of people will see this movie because it is an event, jsut liek watching the Supwerbowl is an event. Lots of peopel who hate football watch it, becuase it is what you do on the final sunday of January (or the first sunday in February). It is like watching the Oscars, I bitch about who wins, how the show is to long, and how its not that funny (expcet when Steve Martin hosts, please Chris Rock don't suck) , yet every year I watch it fromo beginning to end. The movie geek in me needs to see it, it needs to see the event movies even if they have no interest to me.

Mav do you really know what "everyone" thinks?

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*sigh*

I hate to get into fanboy discussions, as I usually dislike fanboys of all kinds.

I don't like over-enthusiastic Star Wars fanboys. I don't like LOTR fanboys. I don't like Marvel fanboys. I don't like Batman fanboys. I don't like White Noise fanboys. The list goes on forever... I don't mind fans, I dislike fanboys thinking they rules in their opinions about their beloved movies.

I like LOTR, I like Star Wars and I love The Matrix (well, the first one). Looks like I am going against all laws of nature.

Now, I will not get into an argument here because if there is one thing I have learned is that you shouldn't get into arguments with you, Mav. I know I appreciate you as a person and everything, but really, arguments with you that concern LOTR or Star Wars are like arguments with a cement wall, so why bother?

All I want to say is that you should not bring age into this kind of conversations, Mav. As I stand here, I mean it and I mean it seriously. Your comments about teenagers, I take as an offense. You know what the interenet has made, Mav? Equality. Everyone has their own right to their opinion and no one can discredit your opinion. Heck, Mav, even you can be a teenager and we'd never know. It does not matter.

Why on earth do you think that a 19 year old owes your more respect than you owe to him, especially when it comes to discussing movies? It almost appears to me that because the person is younger, the person jmust agree with your opinion because in any other case, it'd be "disrespectful". I say, how you are allowed to talk to people, the same way the people are allowed to talk to you back. Do you think age makes up for superiority? If so, we all would be bowing down to the genious of BKB already, right?

Any further remarks of yours about the age being in any way decisive when it comes to opinions and arguments, I will take with strong offense.

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Jesus, are you slow or something? #1, I'm hardly ignorant to box office, so quit embarrassing yourself like that. I was around talking about box office LONG before you ever were, and you were the only one who was trying to spin the numbers of Saturday as a positive. I guess noine of us but YOU understand it...

You are clearly still upset that you called it wrong over Constantine, and are ranting and raving over my comments, that you are not quoting correctly. (big surprise)

You have just proven how little you know. Thanks for the lesson.

NNot that it's hard to be better than Revolutions

Merovingian is my overall 2nd favorite Matrix character. After Smith.

Mav. Keanu Reeves has acted more than any of us. Hes read more professional screenplays and gotten a chance to comment and choose them and modify them than any of us. Yet we've all commented on most of his movies.

point: One may be good at something, doesnt mean we're always right about it .You have more expertise in screenwriting, does not mean you always know the right thing. Thats how studios have flops sometimes .. cause theres a moment of misjudgement. Look at MGM.

Merovingian rocked. Smith was good too.

Yea .. actually, come to think of it, everyone else was kinda .. just there. entertaining at best.

I called it wrong? Does that mean you called it right? Unlikely. It didn't do what you said either, buddy.

And, you've been discussing box office for longer than I have. Shall I give you a prize, oh holy adult of Box Office Mojo/KJ? Discussing movies and box office and knowing box office are two seperate things. BKB, or Impact, or anyone could be around for 5 years discussing box office and still don't know how to call a hit or a bomb. What the hell are you smoking? Do you really think that being able to type sentences online referring to box office actually makes you more experienced in the field? Don't flatter yourself. I never said I was better than the rest. I'm clearly not. But, the fact that you think you're great at box office makes me laugh.

Oh, and you're doing a great job trying to stay off the topic of insulting teens, especially now when there are about 10 people reading this thread and all saw what the hell you've been saying about the teenage community. Be a man, and step up to the plate. You know what you said, but to no surprise, you're either running away, or not giving any information except "teens are snobs".

We all could learn a lesson from you, Mav. You're just so... *great*.

Are you trying to imply that my opinion and that of most every American is invalid because we haven't taken part in the filmmaking process. Shut the fuck up, Mav.

The general opinion is a lot of people, Mav. A looot of people. People just don't want to admit it because you'll attack them with stupid "Go suck PJ's bananas" comment

Continue, Maverikk. At one point, I thought you were reasonable. Since then, you've acted like a child. Whomever you argue, whether it be me, dolce, Fett, loyal, or Zingaling, you ALWAYS sound younger and less experienced in how to argue. You always sound less reasonable than the person you're arguing against. And, the more you do it, the more of a fool you'll make of yourself...

Have fun in the process because you WON'T give up! \:D/

I'm having fun playing Devil's Adovacate, and I like argueing with you,so you will have to bear with me. I like getitng in the middle of these fights, mostly because I think sometiems the participants get caught up in attackign each toher they forget to debate the finier points of the arguement. Somehow I don't think you mind commanding my attention :wink:



That is a completely unfair, as most people are not aware of the technical aspects of writing a screenplay. Most people are never required to write anything that is not based around the typical short story, which has a much different sturcture. You could have a wonderful idea, butif you know nothing about how a screneplay is writtten, then chances our your final product would be very off.

Understanding something is one thing, asking you produce something similar is different. I could get you to understand a complex mathematical proof, but that doesn't mean you could write one. Writing a screenplay requires a skill set that is not identical to other kinds of creative writing.

It is also impossible to judge task, who decides which screenplay is better...it is merely a matter of opinion, one man's Godfather is another man's Gigli.



Yes watching and doing are different, but one thing I learned as a computer scientist is so what. I amy design the perfect peiece of software, but the user will find a way to fuck it up...does that make the user stupid, no, it makes my software poorly designed. I could create the best movie in a studio, and eveyroen who makes mvoies could think it is graet, but if it fails to get one person into the theater to see it, then on some levels the movie failed, and on others it succeeded.

Certain aspects of film I think the layman has a hard tiem judging (best editing for example, subtle editing is very hard to pick out if you've never tried to do it), but a lay person can still spot a movie that feels jumpy, with off pacing, etc. So while as a musician you are ore capable of listening to something and giving a very technical explanation of why you think the score is horrid. I as someone who took just a year of piano lessons at 17, can listen to the music in Troy and know its bloody horrid and it makes my ears wnat to bleed, and that they should ahve used Gabriel Yared's far superior score on his website.

We make art for ourselves, for the masses, for the critics...and while the critics have a move informed opinion, the opnion of the masses also matters.

So while I have yet to write a screenplay, I still call to task alot of the dialogue in AOTC.

Honestly, I bet you;d could write a better screenplay then Lucas, who strenghs in my opinion, lay elsewhere.

If it's hard to find a buddy with the same tastes, then why on earth would anybody listen to a buddy telling them to go see a movie that you know you have little interest in?



True, and wouldn't you agree that a good example of not following, is if you know it's not a good idea for you to do so?



I was labeled a LOTR hater because I gave TTT an A, but pointed out a few flaws, so I feel for you....lol All teens who made up their own versions of what I said, for those keeping score.



I don't care who likes what. I'm actually used to having trolls and bashers fequent threads of movies that I like, like Star Wars and Hulk, but I don't really care one way or the other. I like them, and my opinion, not the opinion of others, is the only influence that I need.



I'm sure practically all of the movie's bashers are going to see the last one. I fully expect plenting of bashing too. \:D/

*reads thread*

I really should get into this conversation, but let me think of where to start.

Hmm.

Mav...you know my age, right? Flame me for being a snot-nosed, disrespectful, stupid, retarded, horrible, horrendous, terrible, bad wittle boy!

And if Keanu reeves and I ever got into a discussion about acting, I wouldn't tell him that I knew more than he did about it.

Somebody needs to flame you over that avatar. :razz:

So true.

I love using programming as the best example out there (mainly cause we have the experitise in design but sometimes lack an understanding of user experience)
take the RT game for example. I've worked out almost every bug. Yet there were numerous problems in the game only cause i didn't realize how users can fuck up or what they prefer to see and not. As far as i was concerned, my design was perfect .. and it really was .. as long as it was only me who was playing it.

Looking forward to the Trailer. At least we can hope for a decent movie.

EP1: Sucked. (Stupid Kid and much more stupid Jar Jar URHGGGGG)

EP2: At least some Story development and some kickass CGI but horrible acting

Anakin: When I have porblem I like to fix things. Im good in fixing things.....
Padme: Ochhhhhh you can fix meeee



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You made me do it. :laugh:

hahahaha Post of the day right here

Sure, kid, sure. Fett was about the most immature idiot there ever was. He's been banned from countless boards because of it. And fuck off. You don't need to take sides with anybody I've argued with in the past.

Regardless, I'm out of here. Enjoy your awards ceremony.