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I watched Texas Chainsaw Massacre (newer one) the other night. Right at the end of the movie there is some footage of some cops entering the house/living room, who get attacked by leatherface. I was just wondering if that was actual footage (ie true story) or if it was just some gimmicky thing they just put?

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Yet another person who thinks the movie is a true story :roll:

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Let's just say it's a heavily edited true story. ;)

In reality, there apparently was a guy who diged up dead people and wore their skins, or so i read. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

But doesn't it speak for the movie if hans thought it was real footage at the end? I for one loved the remake! :razz:

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Um, I mean right at the end AFTER the movie finishes, theres some naration about some guy called Hewitt or something and some black and white footage of some cops entreing the house.

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TCM is based on a true story - but its far different from the movies. I hate when movies say based on a true story just to make a few extra bucks, like the Amityville Horror trailer says its based on a true story - but that story has been reported to be false and theres been evidence proving it to be false.

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like the Amityville Horror trailer says its based on a true story - but that story has been reported to be false and theres been evidence proving it to be false.


Really? I was just watching a documentary on that haunting recently. I didn't know that new evidence was found.


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Um, I mean right at the end AFTER the movie finishes, theres some naration about some guy called Hewitt or something and some black and white footage of some cops entreing the house.


All part of the movie.


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like the Amityville Horror trailer says its based on a true story - but that story has been reported to be false and theres been evidence proving it to be false.


Really? I was just watching a documentary on that haunting recently. I didn't know that new evidence was found.
Dont think its new evidence, im pretty sure it's been found false for a long time now. Let me find a link.

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loyalfromlondon wrote:
Killuminati510 wrote:
like the Amityville Horror trailer says its based on a true story - but that story has been reported to be false and theres been evidence proving it to be false.


Really? I was just watching a documentary on that haunting recently. I didn't know that new evidence was found.
Dont think its new evidence, im pretty sure it's been found false for a long time now. Let me find a link.
http://www.prairieghosts.com/amityville.html
http://mtmt.essortment.com/amityvillehorro_rmbf.htm
http://chatanuga.org/Amitypt7.html
http://www.amityvillemurders.com/history.html
http://www.castleofspirits.com/amityvillehorror3.html
http://amityvillelegend.freewebsitehosting.com/
http://www.castleofspirits.com/amityville.html
http://www.katcomedia.com./Conspiracy.html

Amityville 'hauntings' are unquestionably a hoax. And the movie itself is nothing more than the 1970's equivalent of the Blair Witch Project. Virtually everyone connected with the Amityville event came forward many years ago and admitted it was all a publicity stunt for the book and the subsequent movie. (In fact, it's been a dead issue for about a decade now which is why I'm surprised to find people still arguing about it.) The only people who have continued to claim that the hauntings actually occurred are the Lutz's themselves. And only b/c they've been able to capitalize on this tired 'phenomenon' by getting paid to make appearances and do interviews on the subject over the last 25 years.

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Killuminati510 wrote:
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loyalfromlondon wrote:
Killuminati510 wrote:
like the Amityville Horror trailer says its based on a true story - but that story has been reported to be false and theres been evidence proving it to be false.


Really? I was just watching a documentary on that haunting recently. I didn't know that new evidence was found.
Dont think its new evidence, im pretty sure it's been found false for a long time now. Let me find a link.
http://www.prairieghosts.com/amityville.html
http://mtmt.essortment.com/amityvillehorro_rmbf.htm
http://chatanuga.org/Amitypt7.html
http://www.amityvillemurders.com/history.html
http://www.castleofspirits.com/amityvillehorror3.html
http://amityvillelegend.freewebsitehosting.com/
http://www.castleofspirits.com/amityville.html
http://www.katcomedia.com./Conspiracy.html

Amityville 'hauntings' are unquestionably a hoax. And the movie itself is nothing more than the 1970's equivalent of the Blair Witch Project. Virtually everyone connected with the Amityville event came forward many years ago and admitted it was all a publicity stunt for the book and the subsequent movie. (In fact, it's been a dead issue for about a decade now which is why I'm surprised to find people still arguing about it.) The only people who have continued to claim that the hauntings actually occurred are the Lutz's themselves. And only b/c they've been able to capitalize on this tired 'phenomenon' by getting paid to make appearances and do interviews on the subject over the last 25 years.


Wrong.. Ed and Lorraine Warren, who are World Renowned Parapsychologists and Clairavoyants beg to differ and that they did feel a powerful presence in that house back when they were in it around 1979.. Here's the link:

http://www.warrens.net/main.htm

In the end, I don't think will ever really know, but I can't imagine why anyone would go to the lengths to make up such a thing when in fact, there does exist the power of Supernatural and Hauntings more than you think it does.. I do believe that the Lutz's experienced SOMETHING and it is true this house was built on an Indian Burial Ground as well.. The Problem is is that we live in a Cynical Society where everyone and there brother demand 100% concrete physical evidence in front of their eyes and refuse to believe it otherwise unless shown....

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It was a silly movie

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It was a silly movie


Which movie was silly?? TCM Remake or Amityville Horror?? :-k

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Wrong.. Ed and Lorraine Warren, who are World Renowned Parapsychologists and Clairavoyants beg to differ and that they did feel a powerful presence in that house back when they were in it around 1979.. Here's the link:

http://www.warrens.net/main.htm

In the end, I don't think will ever really know, but I can't imagine why anyone would go to the lengths to make up such a thing when in fact, there does exist the power of Supernatural and Hauntings more than you think it does.. I do believe that the Lutz's experienced SOMETHING and it is true this house was built on an Indian Burial Ground as well.. The Problem is is that we live in a Cynical Society where everyone and there brother demand 100% concrete physical evidence in front of their eyes and refuse to believe it otherwise unless shown....


Did you actually read any of the links Killuminati510 posted? Or did you just quote him randomly before making your case?

The reason someone would go to such lengths to make up such a thing is simple - money. Don't you think it's strange that every family that's moved into the house since the Lutzes have managed to live there for many years without complaining of supernatural activity? Let alone being woken up mysteriously at 3.15 every night? That in itself should be enough evidence to discredit the Warrens and the Lutzes stories.

The general belief is that the Lutzes bought a house that they couldn't afford. They moved out before they had to make the first mortgage payment, and they made a crapload of money from telling a bunch of lies. They, and everyone involved in perpetuating the scam (including Ronald Defeo's (the bloke who killed all the previous residents) lawyer William Weber - with whom they concocted the story), did nothing more than capitalize on the deaths of the Defeo family in the house before them.

As for the Warrens website, it's quite funny that the Warrens provide some photos of their Amityville investigation (that amount to little more than a few pictures of the house and of the Warrens sat inside the house) but to see "the most shocking, revealing, and interesting photographs, you’ll need to attend one of the Warrens’ many lectures." For those interested, admission to one of the Warrens lectures goes for about $89.

Take a read of this site, BKB; it does a fine job of debunking most of the junk the Warrens spout on their website.

http://www.ghostresearch.org/articles/amityville.html

Here's a few choice excerpts so you don't have to go clicking too many pesky links:

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Anyone can see that the inaccuracies of Anson's book are not exclusively based in the field of demonology, but span a variety of topics. Weather and lunar cycles described therein, for instance, were completely debunked by meteorologists. Individuals such as police officers, reporters and priests did not say or do various things that are attributed to them. The book even disagrees with other versions of the story put forth by the Lutzes, such as various newspaper accounts and interviews. And it most certainly flies in the face of further tales by the Lutz family set forth in "The Amityville Horror II," in which they claim some sort of force battered their van as they drove away from the house, but yet "forgot" to cover this rather significant detail at the close of the previous novel. It's quite a confusing snarl of contradictions. One account or the other has to be incorrect, and yet both were approved for publication by the Lutzes, whose reliability the Warrens have sought to fortify. The term "guilt by association" comes to mind here.

And furthermore, Anson himself admitted before his death that he merely compiled the story >from tape recordings given to him by the Lutzes, that he did not verify any of the data, and that it was arranged to be more "interesting."


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I am aware, however, that Dr. Kaplan challenged the Warrens to take a lie detector test regarding their "findings" in the Amityville case. He was willing to take one as well. Whoever lost, he declared, would therefore have to resign from the field. The Warrens, strangely enough, declined this test, which would have not only verified their statements but resulted in the departure from their profession of an opponent they quite clearly loathed. Assuming they were being honest, of course.


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And furthermore, many other factors perpetuated that "hoax myth." Factors such as William Weber's radio confession almost twenty years ago that the Lutzes concocted this "ghost story" after discussing the DeFeo murders. Factors such as George Lutz admitting that various details of the story were untrue, such as their son being treated at a certain hospital for a hand injury they claimed he suffered, and Kathy's alleged "two feet" levitation really being "two inches." Factors such as the Catholic Church saying that, contrary to the Lutz story, they were NOT involved in the case. Factors such as Father Pecoraro, referred to as "Father Mancuso" in novel "The Amityville Horror" coming forth to state that he never suffered any such "demonic afflictions" described in that claptrap. Factors such as members of the media contradicting their role in these events as described in the book "The Amityville Horror."


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hans wrote:
I watched Texas Chainsaw Massacre (newer one) the other night. Right at the end of the movie there is some footage of some cops entering the house/living room, who get attacked by leatherface. I was just wondering if that was actual footage (ie true story) or if it was just some gimmicky thing they just put?


The Texas Chainsaw Massacre is based on a true story in the loosest sense of the word. The story it's actually based on took place in Wisconsin, not Texas, and although a chainsaw may have been present, there's no evidence to suggest it was involved in any sort of massacre.

Basically, in the 50s a bloke named Ed Gein killed a few women and collected various body parts from local graves to decorate his house and build himself a "suit" of human flesh. His actions were blamed on an unhealthy upbringing and relationship with his mother and the case went on to shock all of middle America. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Psycho and Silence of the Lambs are just some of the films that have since borrowed elements of Gein's story.


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Um, I mean right at the end AFTER the movie finishes

Me, too.

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Um, I mean right at the end AFTER the movie finishes

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me too :roll:

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hans wrote:
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Um, I mean right at the end AFTER the movie finishes

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me too :roll:

*scratches head* :-k

Ok, it does speak for the SCENE not the entire MOVIE, if it's this what you mean. :???: IMHO the whole movie was well made, as was that scene at the end.

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Um, I mean right at the end AFTER the movie finishes

Me, too.


me too :roll:

*scratches head* :-k

Ok, it does speak for the SCENE not the entire MOVIE, if it's this what you mean. :???: IMHO the whole movie was well made, as was that scene at the end.


The movie was ok, ive never seen the original so cant compare. The scene at the end which im talking about really did get me confused whether it was fact or fiction, but now we've got that cleared up \:D/

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It's one hell of an effective gimmik.


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hans wrote:
I watched Texas Chainsaw Massacre (newer one) the other night. Right at the end of the movie there is some footage of some cops entering the house/living room, who get attacked by leatherface. I was just wondering if that was actual footage (ie true story) or if it was just some gimmicky thing they just put?


The Texas Chainsaw Massacre is based on a true story in the loosest sense of the word. The story it's actually based on took place in Wisconsin, not Texas, and although a chainsaw may have been present, there's no evidence to suggest it was involved in any sort of massacre.

Basically, in the 50s a bloke named Ed Gein killed a few women and collected various body parts from local graves to decorate his house and build himself a "suit" of human flesh. His actions were blamed on an unhealthy upbringing and relationship with his mother and the case went on to shock all of middle America. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Psycho and Silence of the Lambs are just some of the films that have since borrowed elements of Gein's story.
Yeah, I was pretty happy when I heard they were making a movie about Ed Gein - but WOW when I saw it, complete trash.

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