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Bradley Witherberry
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 Re: Knowing
bABA wrote: a horrible plan from the alien race to choose a genetically defected kid Perhaps because the whisperers were blond, bABA mistakenly thought they were from the Aryan Alien Nation, out to create a new human super race in their garden of eden. Luckily for Nicholas Cage's son, they turned out to be equal opportunity alien abductors!
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Shack
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I hope baumer's review was saved somewhere...
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2001
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May be the most unoriginal movie ever made but I really liked this. That plane crash set the film on fire (lol)! It's been done a million times before and three times just over a year ago, yet I may never get tired seeing shots of Manhattan going to shit and all. It's also 10x better than the deceitfully marketed tDtESS. The quality of the effects is only what bothered me a bit.
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:46 am |
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Loyal
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Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:43 pm Posts: 24502
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Shack-Fu wrote: I hope baumer's review was saved somewhere... BOM perhaps where he originally wrote it.
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:52 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
Extraordinary
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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 Re: Knowing
loyalfromlondon wrote: Shack-Fu wrote: I hope baumer's review was saved somewhere... BOM perhaps where he originally wrote it. What?! baumer is a BOM'er? So KJ is just his sloppy seconds? ...too bad, it was a good review too...  loyalfromlondon wrote: Jeff wrote: You guys are all on crack.
Review coming soon. One of the worst movies I've seen in years. can't wait! Still waiting on Jeff's review...
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:12 am |
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Loyal
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Sadly, Jeff was left behind in the ashes of ruin, while the rest of us (and our rabbits) made it out.
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:21 am |
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jmovies
Let's Call It A Bromance
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:22 pm Posts: 12333
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Nicolas Cage hasn't really made a name for himself lately starring in hilariously bad roles like Bangkok Dangerous and The Wicker Man. Trailers for Knowing had me worried that this may be another dud on his list. However, Knowing is a very strong sci-fi piece. It's one of the best actually I have seen in a good while. Nicolas Cage does a good job with his role in figuring out the code to a list of numbers his son obtained at a time capsule ceremony. The action sequences are very good given a budget that was under $75 million. The young cast (Chandler Canterbury and Lara Robinson) are likeable enough and the same can be said for Rose Byrne. The story is very compelling and turns out to be a very religious one at the same time. Hopefully, Cage can bring in more hits like this later on. ****/***** (B+)
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Jmart
Superman: The Movie
Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:47 am Posts: 21230 Location: Massachusetts
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The plane crash is one of the most chilling things I've seen in a theater. The odd thing is, while it was going down I couldn't help but look and think about the shaky CGI, but I just couldn't get the feeling of dread out of my stomach. I almost thought it was a little much for a PG-13 film. It was certainly effective, just like the rest of the film was from that point on. And that dread I had during the plane sequence never left my stomach for the rest of the film. This is some pretty darn good Sci-Fi. I'm not sure I'd go as far like Ebert would and call it one of the best Sci-Fi films I've ever seen, but he's not that far off. I'd put this in the same ballpark as Sunshine though, ironically enough.
And to my shock I thought the acting for the most part was pretty good. It's not really the breaking point of the film (that'd be the ending, which I loved), but it gives me the excuse to talk about Nic Cage hitting the tree with the baseball bat saying "YOU WANT SOME OF THIS!" and Rose Byrne saying something along the lines of "JUST THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" while she was on the pay phone at the gas station.
One small problem. Proyas, If you're going to set your film around the Boston area (from what I could tell, one or two scenes were actually shot in Massachusetts since everything else couldn't have looked anything but Massachusetts - I never seen miles and miles of open fields here without the hint of a hill nearby), with the ending you have the least you could've done was shown Boston getting blown to bits. Don't show it on fire and then cut to New York City. Every disaster film shows New York getting blown up, give us something different. I guess I'll let it pass since the rest of the film is so damn good.
Cage finally picked a winner.
***½
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:37 pm |
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Loyal
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Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:43 pm Posts: 24502
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Jmart007 wrote: One small problem. Proyas...
I think an even bigger issue was the lack of Asian students at MIT. That classroom should have been 85-90% Asian.
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Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:24 pm |
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Michael A
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:48 am Posts: 6245
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Jmart007 wrote: One small problem. Proyas...
I think an even bigger issue was the lack of Asian students at MIT. That classroom should have been 85-90% Asian. 
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Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:24 am |
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baumer
Star Trek XI
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CONTAINS MASSIVE SPOILERS...PLEASE DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW.
Best film of the year so far.
To say this film is an emotional shot to the gut is an understatement. I sat frozen, literally, with chills (literally) running up and down my spine at least 5 times in this film. The disasters are real, they are devastating and they are scary. What this film has to say is scary. I think there was more to the screenplay but for time constraints, they had to leave some out. I'm not sure if this film affected me because I have a lot of the same problems that John (Nic Cage) does in the film, or if because I don't think that we are all just random particles, but here with a deadline to life, a finite one, or if the movie just affected me because it was harrowing and the finality of it just blew me away, sorry for the pun.
What separates this film from many or all other disaster films, is that in others of this ilk, there is a solution. Drill a hole in a giant meteor and we are all saved. Kill one of two meteors and we are mostly saved. Walk from Philadelphia to New York in three hours during a blizzard and we are saved. Armageddon this is not. The ideas in this film are different and they are ballsy. People get engulfed in flames. Mothers die while their kids are kidnapped. The Earth is scorched and incinerated. Kids are taken from their parents. Animals are shown burning up, people crash in an aircraft and they burn in front of your eyes. There are so many against the Hollywood protocol scenes in this film that I am shocked that the studio talking heads allowed some of the plot to take place.
Nic Cage is a fantastic actor when he has the right role and this is a perfect role for him. He has the unbelievable task of trying to figure out what he can do to save himself and his child and possibly the rest of the world. And this takes wide eyes, looks of disbelief and reaction of pure and unabashed terror and horror. He accomplishes this beautifully. The shot in the trailer with the plane coming down, and his reaction, is what got me into the theater. What you don't see is his reaction after the plane crash. He is on the precipice of insanity, hopelessness and bewilderment. He is a scientist, so how can a list of numbers from 50 years ago predict the future. It kind of goes against everything he is taught and now teaches. This is perhaps his best performance since Leaving Las Vegas.
Knowing might not be for everyone, but for me, this is the best film of the year so far. Alex Proyas has blown me away with his touch and the script writers have made an uncompromising and unflinching film about The Apocalypse. There are those who will say that the ending ruins it for them. But if you look at the ending as one possible Adam and Eve type scenario, then the ending is the most thought provoking part of the film. For those who don't like it or get it (I know how pretentious this looks when someone writes this, but for once, it is actually true) you should see it again. There are all kinds of questions raised when watching the film and there are even more to think about once you begin the drive home. This is not a simple film or one that will leave you quickly and quietly.
Knowing is the best film of this short year so far and it will make my top 10 for the year.
9.5/10
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Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:29 am |
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Gulli
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Joined: Mon May 01, 2006 9:53 am Posts: 13403
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The nerd in me wants a breakdown of the disasters predicted on that sheet.
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Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:54 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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Gulli wrote: The nerd in me wants a breakdown of the disasters predicted on that sheet. Do really we need to hear about your sex life?
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Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:42 pm |
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Gulli
Jordan Mugen-Honda
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Gulli wrote: The nerd in me wants a breakdown of the disasters predicted on that sheet. Do really we need to hear about your sex life? I've had sex over 80 times? Excellent.
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Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:53 pm |
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Jeff
Christian's #1 Fan
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:25 pm Posts: 28110 Location: Awaiting my fate
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Meh, I don't feel like editing this for clarity: Quote: If I said that nearly every film that comes out of Hollywood is pure cinematic genius, you would know I was being sarcastic. If, on the other hand, I said that great film died with the likes of Alfred Hitchcock and Stanley Kubrick, you would know that I was a cynic. And, if you were an astute reader, you would notice my clever working of a variant of the one-word title of the film this review discusses in the first two sentences of this article. Of course, you aren't reading this to learn about my literary genius, but to learn a little bit about this cinematic erm...adventure.
Unfortunately, Knowing, a hybrid sci-fi-horror-drama-thriller, makes me feel a little bit like the latter of the first two sentences may in fact be true. It falls somewhere between "Laughable" and "Painful to Watch", and it could easily be a lot better the more alcohol (or other mind-altering substances) one consumes. It is as if the writer gave no thought to creating a coherent plotline and certainly didn't bother to keep things even partially realistic. And then there is the problem of Nicolas Cage. Once a decent, nay good, actor, he has since seemed to have devolved almost entirely. Currently, he posses exactly three facial expressions, they are as follows: Shocked surprise, contemplation (with a hint of surprise at the end) and grief (usually followed by writhing on the ground clutching his side). He uses all three expressions quite frequently throughout Knowing. Unfortunately, those are the only facial expressions he uses. But first things first. There is the problem of the plot. A plot so full of perfect "coincidences" that really aren't coincidences except that in some way they kind of are supposed to be. That makes sense? Right? From the get-go, we learn of Lucinda (Lara Robinson in one of two roles), a girl who today would likely be diagnosed with early-onset schizophrenia. Lucinda hears voices, lots of them. So many that during a class project to "draw the future", she sits down and writes an entire page of numbers. Random numbers to most of us, but to her they have some sort of meaning. That is all we know.
Fast forward 50 years in the future, and the page of numbers has been buried in a time-capsule which is now being unearthed to celebrate the anniversary of the school Lucinda attended. The current children at the school are all excited to grasp a piece of history, and each one is given one of the drawings placed in the ground from half a century ago. Enter into the picture Caleb (Chandler Canterbury) and his father John (Nicolas Cage). John just happens to be a physicist, teaching at MIT, and his son just happens to be the lucky recipient of the page full of numbers. And no, this is not the first "coincidence" but they come too fast to keep much track or make much sense of.
Did I mention that John's wife died a few years earlier, and despite his best efforts to be a good father, it is obvious that his son is slowly slipping away from him. That was a plot line that somehow worked its way into the script but the writers didn't exactly flesh it out very much, most likely because they were too busy trying to figure out the next coincidence.
At any rate, one night, John, being drunk, just happens to set a full glass of liquid on top of the page of numbers, which has been randomly placed on the kitchen counter. The water mark from the glass just happens to circle a random selection of numbers "091120012996". Out of an entire page of numbers mind you, it just so happens to surround these, which are possibly recognizable to some people, and after close inspection should at least make some sense. It is, of course, the date "9-11-2001" and then "2,996", the date and number of deaths of the September 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks in New York City. Suddenly, though he is obviously heavily inebriated, something catches in John's head and he takes another look at the picture. Enter coincidence number...well I can't exactly remember. He starts sorting through the list and manages to pick out a pattern of date, number of deaths and then eight random numbers which he doesn't quite understand.
And thus our plot is launched. Almost. John thinks that this piece of paper is able to predict all of the major "disasters" over the past 50 years, though it seems to end sometime in 2009 - October 9, to be precise. But there is still the pesky problem of those other numbers. Not to worry though, the filmmakers add another little coincidence here. You see, the next day happens to be the day of the next disaster, and John just happens to be right in the path (a jetliner crashes into an abandoned field), and just happens to look at his navigation system right as he reaches the spot where the disaster occurs and just happens to notice the numbers are very close to the eight numbers he could not decipher on the page. And of course, he just happens to have all of this click a few seconds before he jumps out of his car and watches the jetliner crash in to the field.
At this point the film just becomes laughable. We are treated to burning passengers running in circles from a plane. Another set runs back into the flames, dancing what would appear to be a pagan ritual in a circle of flames. Perhaps the writers had a flame fetish. Or perhaps this really just is terrible filmmaking.
The rest of the film is more of the same. John becomes something of the male-equivalent of Nancy Drew, drawing random conclusions and trying to be a detective to "save the world", though of course, not without the help of a number of other "coincidences". And what hodge-podge of a film would be complete without an asinine and insanely cheesy ending? Certainly not this one. While I applaud the filmmakers for trying something at least a little bit risky, this wasn't exactly the risk that pays off in the end. Destroying the Earth? No big deal. Having aliens in bizarre spaceships that have utterly useless parts floating around and would be completely non-aerodynamic in reality? Sure that's fine. But to throw in the most cheese-tastic ending when John just has to make up with his long-lost father and spend his last moments (and he manages to arrive just a few moments before the world ends) with his family…that stretches even my disbelief a little bit too far.
Enough about the plot though. It would be one thing if the plot was shaky, if the filmmakers had made up for it elsewhere. But they don't. We are treated to one of the most irritating soundtracks in recent memory. Something about hearing what sounds like Rimsky-Korsakov's "Flight of the Bumblebee" during an intense chase scene that just doesn't quite work. Nor does the rest of the soundtrack.
And the rest of the film is just as poorly crafted. There is no novelty to the special effects. No amazing acting. No world-changing message. There is no hope. No belief in the future - unless you happen to be one of the few children chosen by the aliens in the end. If you are old enough to be reading this, then you are obviously too old to fly off on the non-aerodynamic spaceship.
There is nothing to make this film anything worthwhile. There is no celebration of the human spirit. There is simply nothing but empty coincidences and a conclusion that left even me, someone who can look beyond the flaws in many films dumbfounded.
Perhaps one of the worst films in recent memory, Knowing is definitely a turkey. Barely even worth a grade but for the sake of tradition, it gets an D. And the only reason it gets that, is because at least I chuckled, once.
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Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:36 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Sorry to hear you didn't like it, Jeff - - but glad to know that you're the only one at KJ that had this reaction...
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Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:01 pm |
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Loyal
"no rank"
Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:43 pm Posts: 24502
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I didn't think the plane crash victims were dancing but rather writhing in pain. You have some imagination Jeff!
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Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:13 pm |
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Gulli
Jordan Mugen-Honda
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That is one of the dumbest reviews I have ever read.
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Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:43 pm |
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Jeff
Christian's #1 Fan
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:25 pm Posts: 28110 Location: Awaiting my fate
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Gulli wrote: That is one of the dumbest reviews I have ever read. Well you're dumb anyway so what's it to you?
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Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:49 pm |
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bABA
Commander and Chef
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:56 am Posts: 30505 Location: Tonight ... YOU!
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hahaha
dancing
thats just .. thats just precious jeff.
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Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:55 pm |
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Jeff
Christian's #1 Fan
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:25 pm Posts: 28110 Location: Awaiting my fate
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bABA wrote: hahaha
dancing
thats just .. thats just precious jeff. They were. And then they danced into the flames as if...well I don't know why but they just did. Anyway, it was the most idiotic film I've seen in a while. I can't believe all you people liked it. <sigh>
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Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:01 pm |
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Loyal
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Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:02 pm |
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Jeff
Christian's #1 Fan
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:25 pm Posts: 28110 Location: Awaiting my fate
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Sorry to hear you didn't like it, Jeff - - but glad to know that you're the only one at KJ that had this reaction... Can't help it that intelligence is a dieing art.
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Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:50 pm |
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Loyal
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Jeff wrote: Bradley Witherberry wrote: Sorry to hear you didn't like it, Jeff - - but glad to know that you're the only one at KJ that had this reaction... Can't help it that intelligence is a dieing art. dying.
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Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:57 pm |
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Gulli
Jordan Mugen-Honda
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The amusement is thick.
Jeff Mode: and then yes its silly but the people tired to avoid being killed by the Hutu genocide squads, this is how stupid the actions of the people were. If it wasn't so silly I would have laughed but I can't.
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