How Long Does The Earth Have Left?
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bABA
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I didn't have to.
the guy on the street wearing a sign said so. 3 months ago he was right about the garage sale so he pretty much has 100% credibility rating in my books.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:31 pm |
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wertham
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bABA wrote: I didn't have to.
the guy on the street wearing a sign said so. 3 months ago he was right about the garage sale so he pretty much has 100% credibility rating in my books.
Legis cautio contra ineptos criticos: Quoi legent hosce libros mature censunto, Profanum volgus et inscium ne attrectato; Omneisque legulei, blenni, barbari procul sunto. Qui aliter faxit, is rite sacer esto.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:38 pm |
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Mister Ecks
New Server, Same X
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Global Warming. Ozone Layer. Polar Ice Caps.
FUCK IT ALL.
We're not going to be here forever ourselves. We only got an average lifespan in the 70 year range. Just kick back, and relax. What more can you do? Is there really something any of us can do? The Earth has been here for SOOO long. We fucked it up. We're going far, far away. Like Carlin says, the Earth isn't going anywhere, we are! So, enjoy what time you yourself have, not what time the people in the year 3000 will have. I have barely enough time to worry about my immediate family and their problems, I'm not about to worry about the state of this planet hundreds of years from now.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:55 pm |
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wertham
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Mr. X wrote: Global Warming. Ozone Layer. Polar Ice Caps.
FUCK IT ALL.
Hey, time is all relative. Friend of mine from high school died from some sort of blood disease at 18-19. Yeah, that's a tragedy. Another kid in the neighbourhood was killed at a construction site when he was only 7. Even more tragic.
You really have to focus on QUALITY on life. You don't want your kids living in oxygen tents, so NOW is the time to do something about it. Tomorrow may be too late.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:01 pm |
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Mister Ecks
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What do you want me to do?! And what makes you think that we're not going to be so technologically advanced in a few hundred years that we won't even need the Earth? Look at a hundred years ago, and look at today. Quite different, no? Now picture the Earth in another hundred years. Technology is up there with being almost as fast as time itself.
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Mister Ecks
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And don't get too bent out of shape over what I say. Don't forget, X = Sad, lonely, dumbass.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:36 pm |
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zingy
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If another Bush is elected for the White House, that day will be the end.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:39 pm |
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Chippy
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How long does the Earth have left?
Whenever I die, the World shall end...
_________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:40 pm |
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bABA
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wertham wrote: bABA wrote: I didn't have to.
the guy on the street wearing a sign said so. 3 months ago he was right about the garage sale so he pretty much has 100% credibility rating in my books. Legis cautio contra ineptos criticos: Quoi legent hosce libros mature censunto, Profanum volgus et inscium ne attrectato; Omneisque legulei, blenni, barbari procul sunto. Qui aliter faxit, is rite sacer esto.
translation?
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:56 pm |
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bABA wrote: wertham wrote: bABA wrote: I didn't have to.
the guy on the street wearing a sign said so. 3 months ago he was right about the garage sale so he pretty much has 100% credibility rating in my books. Legis cautio contra ineptos criticos: Quoi legent hosce libros mature censunto, Profanum volgus et inscium ne attrectato; Omneisque legulei, blenni, barbari procul sunto. Qui aliter faxit, is rite sacer esto.
translation?
It means that you shouldn't be sarcastic about the guy on the street wearing the sign, cause you're nto deep enough to understand his prophecies. The guy on the street being Nostradamus, of course.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:00 pm |
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Terminator1997
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barring a catastrophe such as a meteor the earth will last as long as the sun does, roughly a few billion years. when the sun begins to die it will expand and swallow mercury, venus and earth, which will mark the end for those planets. whether we'll still be around when this happens is another story.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:12 pm |
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wertham
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Terminator1997 wrote: barring a catastrophe such as a meteor the earth will last as long as the sun does, roughly a few billion years. when the sun begins to die it will expand and swallow mercury, venus and earth, which will mark the end for those planets. whether we'll still be around when this happens is another story.
One can only assume that the question applies to Earth as a viable home for carbon-based lifeforms, in which case the life and death of our sun is totally irrelevant. Another thousand years is a ludicrous fantasy. We can only evolve so much in such a relatively short period of time... unless the biotechs of the c22 can find a way to speed up the process of mutation, so that humans can somehow adapt to much warmer tempertures, air that is virtually unbreathable and water that is undrinkable.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:37 pm |
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wertham
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ChipMunky wrote: How long does the Earth have left?
Whenever I die, the World shall end...
And how do you account for such an astonishing symbiotic relationship? Does this World exist solely in your imagination?
And how will YOU ever know that you're.. not alive anymore?
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:44 pm |
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bABA
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Krem wrote: bABA wrote: wertham wrote: bABA wrote: I didn't have to.
the guy on the street wearing a sign said so. 3 months ago he was right about the garage sale so he pretty much has 100% credibility rating in my books. Legis cautio contra ineptos criticos: Quoi legent hosce libros mature censunto, Profanum volgus et inscium ne attrectato; Omneisque legulei, blenni, barbari procul sunto. Qui aliter faxit, is rite sacer esto.
translation? It means that you shouldn't be sarcastic about the guy on the street wearing the sign, cause you're nto deep enough to understand his prophecies. The guy on the street being Nostradamus, of course.
Well, thats a careless assumption to make about how deep I could be or not .... hmm ....
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:45 pm |
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Terminator1997
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wertham wrote: Terminator1997 wrote: barring a catastrophe such as a meteor the earth will last as long as the sun does, roughly a few billion years. when the sun begins to die it will expand and swallow mercury, venus and earth, which will mark the end for those planets. whether we'll still be around when this happens is another story. One can only assume that the question applies to Earth as a viable home for carbon-based lifeforms, in which case the life and death of our sun is totally irrelevant. Another thousand years is a ludicrous fantasy. We can only evolve so much in such a relatively short period of time... unless the biotechs of the c22 can find a way to speed up the process of mutation, so that humans can somehow adapt to much warmer tempertures, air that is virtually unbreathable and water that is undrinkable.
i know humans might not (probably not is more like it) be around when this happens, but the earth itself will, with life or not, barring a major cataclysmic event.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:50 pm |
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wertham
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INCANTATION OF THE LAW AGAINST INEPT CRITICS
In darkest day, in blackest night No evil shall escape my sight Let those who worship evil's might Beware my power... GREEN LANTERN'S LIGHT!
Some Nostradamus buffs expect the big show to end in 2018 (by flood)
or 2028 (by comet)
but those dates all depend on N's astrology, which is kinda sloppy.
Here's some incredibly great stuff from my Nostradamian pal:
THE DREADED 666 POEM....
VI.66. Original September 1557 text
Au fondement de la nouvelle secte,
Seront les oz du grand Romain trouvés,
Sepulcre en marbre apparoistra couverte,
Terre trembler en Avril, mal enfouetz.
Read as modern French:
enfoui
When they shall come to found the sect quite new
The bones of the great Roman shall be found.
Covered in marble springs the tomb to view
When earth in April quakes, half-underground.
Source: Possibly the discovery in 1502 - the year in which Pietro Bernardino was burned alive for founding a new sect of ‘primitive Christians’ called the 'unti' - of the half-buried obelisk of Augustus Caesar, following an earthquake in the area of Coni in 1500. Compare V.7.
8,66: Discovery of Tomb of St Peter / New Sect formed - 2028?
When the inscription D.M. is found,
in the ancient cave, revealed by a lamp:
More like 'And an ancient vault/cellar...'
Law, the King and Prince Ulpian tried,
More like 'experienced'
the Queen and Duke in the pavilion under cover.
'Pavillon' is probably a banner...
VIII.66. Original text of 1568 edition
Quand l’escriture D.M. trouvee,
Et cave antique àlampe descouverte,
Loy, Roy, & Prince Ulpian esprouvee,
Pavillon Royne & Duc sous la couverte.
When the inscription ‘D.M.’ shall be found
And ancient vault by light of torches seen,
’Twill prove to be of Ulpian King renowned,
The chief wrapped in his banner with his queen.
Source: Another piece of contemporary archaeology, with which Nostradamus was always fascinated, possibly either at Arles or at Glanum, just south of his hometown. The inscription was the standard abbreviation for Diis Manibus (‘in the hands of Pluto’, god of the underworld - the equivalent of the modern RIP) on Roman tombstones,and line 3 suggests that the vault is supposed to be either that of the Emperor Trajan (Marcus Ulpius Traianus) or one dating from his reign.
The point of all this is obvious: The most successful prophets build on the prophecies of their predecessors. Some prophecies - like those of Jesus - are just so plain inevitable that they are an insult to anyone's intelligence.
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wertham
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Terminator1997 wrote: i know humans might not (probably not is more like it) be around when this happens, but the earth itself will, with life or not, barring a major cataclysmic event.
highly improbable? Impossible, unless we somehow master the fine art of time travel and catch a sneak preview at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe. At present, it is quite difficult for humans to survive without air or water.
Whether human or superhuman, if there's an absence of gnosis, there will be nothing present to know - if and when our sun goes supernova... or not. Therefore, like any god - or infinity itself - the end of Earth and this solar system is ultimately unknowable... because all knowledge ends with the death of the last sentient creature.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:16 pm |
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Chippy
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wertham wrote: ChipMunky wrote: How long does the Earth have left?
Whenever I die, the World shall end... And how do you account for such an astonishing symbiotic relationship? Does this World exist solely in your imagination? And how will YOU ever know that you're.. not alive anymore?
Because I am god-like. Yes, you are all in my imagination
I won't know, thus my imagination won't exist, ceasing the World to be
_________________trixster wrote: shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element trixster wrote: chippy is correct
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:20 pm |
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wertham
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ChipMunky wrote: I won't know, thus my imagination won't exist, ceasing the World to be
So you DID watch the final episode of St Elsewhere! :wink:
Or maybe "It's a Good Life" (Twilight Zone)?
Your premise also sounds a bit like "Demon With the Glass Hand" by Harlan Ellison (I think), which was supposed to be made into a movie; but the way things are going in the industry right now, the chances of that ever getting the green light are slim to none... and Slim just left town.
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Sugar Magnolia
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Passionate Thug
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We could always Terafarm Mars
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=96&ncid=96&e=1&u=/space/20050204/sc_space/bestwaytomakemarshabitableinjectgreenhousegas
Best Way to Make Mars Habitable: Inject Greenhouse Gas
Fri Feb 4, 9:19 AM ET Science - Space.com
Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
SPACE.com
The best way to make Mars habitable would be to inject synthetic greenhouse gases into its atmosphere, researchers said Thursday.
The stuff could be shipped to Mars or manufactured there.
Scientists and science-fiction authors have long pondered terraforming Mars, melting the vast stores of ice in its polar caps to create an environment suitable for humans. The topic is highly controversial.
Some think earthlings have no right to mess with the climate of another planet. Others see Mars as a refuge for people who might need to flee this world as conditions deteriorate. Another argument holds that Mars was likely warmer and wetter in its distant past, and it might have harbored life, so bringing it back to a previous state makes sense.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:18 pm |
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are-why-a-en
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Very interesting article...fun to think that, Mars was much like Earth...
I wonder what destroyed it.....global warming?
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:16 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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Levy wrote: wertham is right. It has been confirmed a few days or weeks ago that the melting of the polar ice caps has exceeded even the most pessimistic scenarios by far.
Now I know why The Day after Tomorrow is in your TOP 10 of 2004 
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:37 pm |
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andaroo1
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Levy wrote: wertham is right. It has been confirmed a few days or weeks ago that the melting of the polar ice caps has exceeded even the most pessimistic scenarios !
See, it all jives with the fact that there is a big push these days to relieve 3rd world debt.
Is anybody keeping tabs on Dennis Quaid?
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:33 am |
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wertham
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Powerful argument from the Sunday Star's Linda McQuaig:
Quote: By now, most people acknowledge the dangers of global warming and the need for the sort of collective action set out in the Kyoto accords. But some powerful corporations still hope to head off any such action. Having exhausted just about every other stalling tactic, they cling to the argument that Kyoto is flawed.
No doubt it is. Any international treaty is bound to be.
One problem is that the agreement doesn't cover some key countries like China and India. That's because it's we in the industrialized world who have caused the global warming problem so far. China and India would be brought in in future rounds.
Kyoto opponents, like Alberta Premier Ralph Klein, have argued that instead of an international accord we should have a "made-in-Canada" solution. It's refreshing to see Klein recognize Canada as an independent country, not an annex of Texas. But in this case, an international solution is absolutely necessary. Greenhouse gases in the Earth's atmosphere aren't a national problem; they affect the Earth's entire climate system. This is a global problem requiring a coordinated global solution.
Kyoto's main opponents are huge corporations, led by Exxon-Mobil, which just reported
a recording-breaking $25 billion annual profit.
=D> [May all those sleazy scumbags rot in hell.]
These corporate mega-giants have enormous sway over governments. From their viewpoint, then, it's ideal to leave the tackling of global warming up to individual governments.
Consider what's happening right now in Canada.
Ottawa has been trying unsuccessfully to get the auto industry to agree to tougher fuel economy standards for cars.
The industry protests that it's fighting similar regulatory attempts in California; giving in here would undermine its lawsuit against California's tough new law on vehicle emissions. All the better! Surely we want the industry to lose its lawsuit.
California has taken bold action on the global warming front, assuming a leadership role that the industry-cosy Bush administration refuses to assume. Canada, which has a market as big as California, could play a significant role here. Rather than letting the industry pick us off one by one, applying maximum pressure to each government, our governments should present a united front to bring foot-dragging industries to heel.
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