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Keyser Söze
Quality is a great business plan
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loyalfromlondon wrote: I'm still bothered that they didn't think it was appropriate to have 5 directors on stage. Who the fuck directs the actors? May be academy thought SS alone is good enough.
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snack
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so decontextualizing goes to me, not zenni.
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Christian
Team Kris
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Hugh Jackman as a host was like Gig Young in They Shoot Horses, Don't They? and we are all Jane Fonda.
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zennier
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I found the Best Score presentation lacking in comparison to past years - the 2006 score awards were fantastic, as a comparison. Maybe it's because the music was lacking? Poor choices to perform (Milk didn't sound like Milk... at all)?
In any event, a usually great award.... not so much this time
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Jim Halpert
Stanley Cup
Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:52 pm Posts: 6981 Location: Hockey Town
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hugh was a miserable host.
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Loyal
"no rank"
Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:43 pm Posts: 24502
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oh and the butchering of Down To Earth is worth a drop in letter grade alone.
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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loyalfromlondon wrote: I'm still bothered that they didn't think it was appropriate to have 5 directors on stage. Who the fuck directs the actors? Especially because Reese Witherspoon was fucking terrible.
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snack
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reese has rolled so far down the hill.
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:35 am |
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zennier
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snackosaurus wrote: Furthermore, the presentation of the acting awards completely decontextualized the process for the audience, especially considering most viewers haven't seen the performances being honored, and reduced it, then, to merely a masturbation to starpower and sappiness. Since when have the Oscars not been about masturbating to starpower and sappiness? This was no reduction. If anything, I feel like the clips have been there in the past out of some sense of obligation to recognize that this show is, indeed, about acting and not about the spectacle of the Celebrity Acceptance Speech.
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:37 am |
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zennier
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trixster wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: I'm still bothered that they didn't think it was appropriate to have 5 directors on stage. Who the fuck directs the actors? Especially because Reese Witherspoon was fucking terrible. I'd give anything to cart her off the stage. Permanently.
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:37 am |
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O
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It was odd to see Will Smith as the weakest presenter. He just messed up far too many times!
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:37 am |
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kypade
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Best show ever.
Well, really good anyway.
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snack
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but poor Melissa Leo. first, no one knew who the fuck she was. now, no one knows who the fuck she is.
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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snackosaurus wrote: but poor Melissa Leo. first, no one knew who the fuck she was. now, no one knows who the fuck she is. I liked how Halle Berry made that presentation all about herself.
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:39 am |
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Loyal
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I was also really really bothered by the transparency in highlighting TDK and WALL-E throughout the broadcast.
Those films combined had more nominations and wins than Frost/Nixon and The Reader, yet you didn't feel they were worthy of the big dance.
Fuck you, they're our films. The fans.
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Libs
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I actually really enjoyed it. It moved quickly and I didn't really start to get bored, which is often the case with Oscar ceremonies. I liked Hugh a lot.
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:40 am |
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O
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I also really liked the 5 presenters. Let's remember who the Oscars are from and going to. The Academy (their peers) are presenting Oscars to their fellow peers. The presenters speaking about them was a reflection of that. What they could have done is a clip of all five performances before all five came out for sure, but even though say Melissa Leo's performance wasn't shown, someone like Halle Berry coming out and talking about it and her will generate a lot more interest in it, than one person otherwise just reading off names, and showing a brief clip. These were huge stars presenting to their peers, some of them up and comers who the public hadn't heard of. They are more likely to show an interest in that role if a star like Nicole Kidman or Halle Berry or Robert Deniro talk about it as big stars bring more attention. I would certainly add clips, but I would keep the five presenter format.
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MikeQ.
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For the first time I've seen, the show wasn't all about the host, and the host wasn't wasting time on stage all the time. Hugh Jackman, for the most part, fell into the background and only reappeared at certain key moments. That's a good thing. The host is just there to introduce the show, close the show, and keep things running. Too many times before, the host became the focus, and it is the celebrities and the movies that I really care about. Granted, the tribute to musicals was a bust. And what on earth made this year such a "comeback" for musicals? Mamma Mia and High School Musical 3? Come on! No musicals were even nominated this year - for anything! We've had better years recently - Chicago, Moulin Rouge. The whole tribute just seemed entirely strange and unfounded. With that being said, Hugh Jackman was otherwise unobtrusive (I think the guy just has a big thing for musicals...). And it gave time for what I thought was the greatest change this year - the presenting of the acting categories by fellow actors (one for each nominee). I felt it was very personal, very poignant, and SO much better than a simple "and here are the nominees..." followed by a video montage. I felt the actors were actually honoured by the Academy, all of them, rather than just narrowly fitting in awards categories with mere listing off of the nominees (while the host does a bunch of filler in between the categories). Furthermore, the introduction of the presenters was terrific in these cases, in my opinion. It began with a montage of clips of the previous winners for the award, and then the 5 presenters were introduced using sound clips of when they were themselves announced as the winner. It was very cool, nostalgic and atmospheric. It was still a very cool concept, in my opinion. Some of them were on the money, and you could tell the individual nominees being honoured were very touched by being appreciated by their peers in such a direct manner. Moving on: Some of the video montages (in particular the one for Comedy of 2008) were terrific. Others weren't so great, but they didn't drag on too long, and ultimately they did serve to honour all film in the year, and not just those that were nominated. And generally speaking, everything was rather snappy and well paced. Presenters were always ready nearby to be on stage, cuts to commercial and back to the show were quick and snappy. All in all, it wasn't perfect, but it really felt like the show this year was ACTUALLY about honouring the nominees and the winners, and ACTUALLY honouring the films of 2008. Which is what I think it should be. So, I am happy with this year's effort. And if they can only keep one change that they made this year for all future broadcasts, it would be the five presenters for 5 nominees concept. I just really enjoyed the intimacy of that. Alright, that is all for now! I hope there are others who also enjoyed the show.  Peace, Mike
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MikeQ.
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O wrote: I also really liked the 5 presenters. Let's remember who the Oscars are from and going to. The Academy (their peers) are presenting Oscars to their fellow peers. The presenters speaking about them was a reflection of that. What they could have done is a clip of all five performances before all five came out for sure, but even though say Melissa Leo's performance wasn't shown, someone like Halle Berry coming out and talking about it and her will generate a lot more interest in it, than one person otherwise just reading off names, and showing a brief clip. These were huge stars presenting to their peers, some of them up and comers who the public hadn't heard of. They are more likely to show an interest in that role if a star like Nicole Kidman or Halle Berry or Robert Deniro talk about it as big stars bring more attention. I would certainly add clips, but I would keep the five presenter format. I agree O. I really think you said it far better than I ever could. It's the whole peers honouring peers idea that just really rings true for me. And basically everything else you said, that I would only be regurgitating. Hehe. Perhaps some presenters weren't well spoken enough on stage, but all in all, I really enjoyed it. Peace, Mike
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Loyal
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early reaction Quote: A.O. Scott
It looks like they might bring this one in at under three hours, so I’ll curb my complaining. And I’ll close by noting that this seemed not only like a relatively brief Oscar ceremony, but a small one. Maybe this is a harbinger of things to come. Like it or not, the movies have lost their pop-cultural supremacy, and the fate of the Oscars may either be to go after a vanished mass appeal or to scale down, acknowledge the shrinking of the audience and turn into something like the Tonys. More of a coterie affair, appealing to the aficionados and the curious. It would be an honorable outcome. Quote: Nikki Finke:
And the 3 hour, 20+ minute Oscars telecast ended, fittingly for tonight, with more Tony’s-style music. On a dark stage devoid of color or interest. Followed by a tacky montage of upcoming movies at the end of the show. And, once again, AMPAS committed public suicide. Quote: Kris Tapley:
I have a lot of thoughts right now. The amazing show that Bill Condon and Larry Mark should be so, so proud of, a glorious night for what I feel to be the year’s best film, pleasant surprises and strangely easy-to-handle disappointments…this is the best Oscar telecast I’ve ever seen. And it’s doubly sweet, since I don’t believe I’ve gone 21/24 on my predictions in a long, long time  if ever.
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roo
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Christian wrote: Hugh Jackman as a host was like Gig Young in They Shoot Horses, Don't They? and we are all Jane Fonda. This is the quote of the week. As for the rest of the comments re: the "end of the Oscars", etc. Whatever. It's like listening to clueless political and economic pundits trying to figure out what's going on with the economy on CNBC from day to day. Endless rattling and so much effort to sound knowledgeable and important. Meh, is all I can say.
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snack
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I wish I had seen They Shoot Horses so I could get that one.
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:00 am |
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roo
invading your spaces
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You haven't seen They Shoot Horses? You need to.
It's on Xbox/Netflix if you have that.
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Chippy
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Did anyone else think the "previews" for next years "contenders" were shitty as hell?
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_axiom
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zennier wrote: I found the Best Score presentation lacking in comparison to past years - the 2006 score awards were fantastic, as a comparison. Maybe it's because the music was lacking? Poor choices to perform (Milk didn't sound like Milk... at all)? Nothing sounded like it should have. The orchestra was lousy.
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