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 Well...the 2009 Contenders Discussion Thread - NEW POLL 

Pick the 10 BP nominees (updated)!
Up in the Air 10%  10%  [ 33 ]
Precious 10%  10%  [ 32 ]
The Lovely Bones 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Nine 3%  3%  [ 9 ]
The Hurt Locker 10%  10%  [ 32 ]
Up 9%  9%  [ 29 ]
A Serious Man 6%  6%  [ 19 ]
An Education 7%  7%  [ 24 ]
Inglourious Basterds 10%  10%  [ 33 ]
Avatar 9%  9%  [ 30 ]
Invictus 7%  7%  [ 23 ]
(500) Days of Summer) 3%  3%  [ 11 ]
The Messenger 1%  1%  [ 4 ]
A Single Man 2%  2%  [ 8 ]
Bright Star 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Star Trek 4%  4%  [ 14 ]
District 9 6%  6%  [ 19 ]
The Road 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
The Fantastic Mr. Fox 1%  1%  [ 4 ]
Michael Jackson's This Is It 1%  1%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 333

 Well...the 2009 Contenders Discussion Thread - NEW POLL 
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Post Re: The 2009 Race (Early Word On Up)
My votes:

Avatar (James Cameron) First Feature Film Since Titanic.
The Human Factor (Clint Eastwood) Nelson Mandela drama.
The Fighter (Darren Aronofsky) First wrestling, now boxing.
Nine (Rob Marshall) Adaptation of the hit Broadway musical.
Shutter Island (Martin Scorsese) Leo and Marty's 4th film.

Avatar was been my most looked-forward-to film for literally 2.5 years. It's funny that people who follow the industry very closely are all hyped up about the movie, but most everyone else has never heard of it (or thinks you're talking about the Nickelodeon cartoon).


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The Clint Eastwood movie about Nelson Mandela I could see pulling in 10 + nominations already.


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I have Human Factor at 5 (BP, BD, BA, Editing, Adapted Screenplay). The tech categories are unusually crowded this year. I don't think a film set in 1995 will be enough to break through the glut of period films.


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Clint will rape the Lomu role for dramatic effect, this still bothers me.

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Change this to The Contenders 2009, bud.


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Amelia looked good, as did Public Enemies.

I believe the media reaction and ratings for tonight's broadcast will have a direct effect on whether Avatar and UP get into the race in a serious way (taking into account quality, ratings, box office, etc).

With Frost/Nixon going 0-5 , The Reader 1-5, Milke 2-8, and Curious Case 3-13, I think wheels may go into motion.


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Amelia looked good, as did Public Enemies.

I believe the media reaction and ratings for tonight's broadcast will have a direct effect on whether Avatar and UP get into the race in a serious way (taking into account quality, ratings, box office, etc).


We said the same damn thing last year about WALL-E and TDK.

So, no.


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loyalfromlondon wrote:
Amelia looked good, as did Public Enemies.

I believe the media reaction and ratings for tonight's broadcast will have a direct effect on whether Avatar and UP get into the race in a serious way (taking into account quality, ratings, box office, etc).


We said the same damn thing last year about WALL-E and TDK.

So, no.


Not about TDK (I think)


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loyalfromlondon wrote:
Jon wrote:
loyalfromlondon wrote:
Amelia looked good, as did Public Enemies.

I believe the media reaction and ratings for tonight's broadcast will have a direct effect on whether Avatar and UP get into the race in a serious way (taking into account quality, ratings, box office, etc).


We said the same damn thing last year about WALL-E and TDK.

So, no.


Not about TDK (I think)


TDK was brought up by some posters, I believe, if not as much as WALL-E.

But people just need to realize that the Academy does NOT care about the public telling them what to love, and they'll love what they damn please, even if it's a holocaust drama from the Weinsteins.


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there's a certain point where the show runs the risk of ending up on pay television and like anything, it's a business. Audiences rejected Frost/Nixon and the voting academy at large didn't even bother with it in their final ballots.

If the Best Foreign Film committee can now push commercial fare through simply to keep up appearances, who knows what's next.


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The Lovely Bones is leading in the poll, yet no one has commented on how they think this will go. It's released just before Avatar....can you imagine the news in December....PJ returns with his first pic since LOTR/King Kong........and Cameron since Titanic.

Both are coming off mega-blockbusters. Could TLB be this year's Benjamin Button (even though the stars are not so A-list)?

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Lovely Bones benefits from having a cast likely to be nominated in some fashion somewhere. Speculative but here's what I have at this very early date. Would love to see a trailer. :funny:

The Lovely Bones (8)

Best Picture
Best Director
Best Actress Saoirse Ronan
Best Supporting Actor Stanley Tucci
Best Adapted Screenplay
Best Cinematography
Best Art Direction
Best Score

Avatar (9)

Best Picture
Best Director
Best Editing
Best Cinematography
Best Art Direction
Best Sound Mixing
Best Sound Editing
Best Visual Effects
Best Score


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Avatar looks like a big blockbuster. I haven't looked much into it but can someone maybe enlighten me on my it's being touted as one of the front-runners aside from James Cameron?

The Lovely Bones
The Human Factor
Nine

seem like the best bets at this point. I'm weary about Shutter Island.

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Literally the only thing Avatar has going for it (well, two things) are James Cameron and its release date. There's buzz from other filmmakers who have seen footage or been on the set but a trailer would do wonders for early predictions.


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loyalfromlondon wrote:
there's a certain point where the show runs the risk of ending up on pay television and like anything, it's a business. Audiences rejected Frost/Nixon and the voting academy at large didn't even bother with it in their final ballots.

If the Best Foreign Film committee can now push commercial fare through simply to keep up appearances, who knows what's next.


The show is falling, but so is everything else on TV. t this point even if it's under 30 million it's still one of the biggest programs on TV for the year, along with American Idol, Football, and occasionally the Olympics.


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there's a certain point where the show runs the risk of ending up on pay television and like anything, it's a business. Audiences rejected Frost/Nixon and the voting academy at large didn't even bother with it in their final ballots.

I think the main problem here that everybody is dancing around that it's not the Oscar producers or the telecast that's at "fault" for what's nominated. The "fault" or "responsibility" lies in the hands of the 3,000 or so Academy members, and they collectively have to make the shift that they are ready to ebrace faire from outside their comfort zone. Sometimes they seem more willing to do that then other times.

If it was just the case of a commitee of 10 people sitting around a room talking about what would be *best for the Oscars* I have no doubt that the nominated films would have been a balance between the popular (Wall-E, The Dark Knight) the paletable (The Curious Case of Benjamin Button) and the critically acclaimed and politically correct (Slumdog Millionaire and Milk).

At the end of the day, the award is as important as you or I treat them. Not having an Oscar hasn't hurt Tom Cruise or Will Smith's career, or the career of the hundreds of actors/directors/producers who haven't won squat.


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The Human Factor feels like the one nearly 100% sure bet for Best Picture/Director for 2009 for me. It's Clint Eastwood directing Morgan Freeman as Nelson Mandela. It's in. Quality doesn't matter when it comes to an Eastwood film, he is nominated even when his films aren't good. Basically, the pedigree and subject matter are up to standards, so it's in.

The Lovely Bones could end up being a big contender. It's got the successful and award winning director attached, and it has great source material. But the big unknowns are the film's ultimate quality and also the actors involved (Wahlberg, Weisz and Sarandon are all rather hit and miss). So, quality film making and the acting need to be there, or else it will flounder, I think.

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The Human Factor feels like the one nearly 100% sure bet for Best Picture/Director for 2009 for me. It's Clint Eastwood directing Morgan Freeman as Nelson Mandela. It's in. Quality doesn't matter when it comes to an Eastwood film, he is nominated even when his films aren't good. Basically, the pedigree and subject matter are up to standards, so it's in.

I'm not going to challenge you on The Human Factor, but Clint's 2 films didn't exactly set the world on fire this year even though they obviously were targeted as contendors, so I'm not really sure what you are getting at here.

The only thing I know about The Lovely Bones were that people like Latino Review enjoyed the script.


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To that point, I thought this was a really good article from last week

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/21/movie ... .html?_r=1

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I don't think the voting members vote for the best film, not sure if they ever have.

Each week, as the fall weather grows colder, a new batch arrives, first in New York and Los Angeles (sometimes by way of Cannes or Toronto) and then in other cities, and every movie is greeted with the same question: Will it get any nominations? The early answer will depend on reviews and on initial grosses; if those auguries look promising, more money will be spent trying to generate momentum, to spin news coverage and to solicit the favor of the voters.

To what end? The phrase “Oscar campaign” has entered the lexicon, but it’s an odd kind of campaign, involving an office with neither symbolic nor actual power and a public that is constitutionally barred from voting. But perhaps the metaphor is military rather than political, since what is required is for one movie — or five of them, in the early phases — to wound, exhaust and ultimately kill the others.

The losers in this cultural blood sport are ambitious, idiosyncratic films that never get a fair chance at an audience, and filmgoers whose attention is distracted by endless, empty chatter about the state of the contest.

Or maybe not distracted. It seems just as likely that the vast, multifarious, unpredictable public is tuning out the Oscar noise and going to see, for example, Clint Eastwood’s “Gran Torino,” which has made more money so far than any of his academy-honored efforts. Or maybe they’re fanning out in search of DVDs of the interesting movies the academy overlooked, or taking comfort in the kind of entertainment the academy never seems to recognize. It may be that the more movies matter, the less the Oscars do. And vice versa.


A narrative was forming around Slumdog before it even left it's first film festival. You plug any film into its place (cute moppets, production rescued from DTV, exotic locale) and the outcome would have been similar if not the same.


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MikeQ. wrote:
The Human Factor feels like the one nearly 100% sure bet for Best Picture/Director for 2009 for me. It's Clint Eastwood directing Morgan Freeman as Nelson Mandela. It's in. Quality doesn't matter when it comes to an Eastwood film, he is nominated even when his films aren't good. Basically, the pedigree and subject matter are up to standards, so it's in.


I think Clint should think hard about not having a year end release. Do Thanksgiving.


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I think my biggest problem for some of you and a lot of people in the media is the idea that somehow all of these concepts about the race having *actual* impact and significance are somehow new. And it's not just people on WOKJ.

These arguments would have been just as valid if Wall-E or The Dark Knight were nominated in the end.


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MikeQ. wrote:
The Human Factor feels like the one nearly 100% sure bet for Best Picture/Director for 2009 for me. It's Clint Eastwood directing Morgan Freeman as Nelson Mandela. It's in. Quality doesn't matter when it comes to an Eastwood film, he is nominated even when his films aren't good. Basically, the pedigree and subject matter are up to standards, so it's in.

I'm not going to challenge you on The Human Factor, but Clint's 2 films didn't exactly set the world on fire this year even though they obviously were targeted as contendors, so I'm not really sure what you are getting at here.


I guess I'm trying to make the point that Clint Eastwood seems to have a wider range of acceptable quality for the Oscars than any other film maker. His films really don't need to be that great in order to be nominated for the big awards, and for me, that has rather consistently happened. If it is an Eastwood film, and has the pedigree and an Academy loving subject matter, then it's practically in. The Human Factor really fits the bill.

Not a terribly scientific viewpoint, but that's the way I look at it.

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I don't know Mike. Iwo Jima was more left field as a nominee than Changling or Gran Torino in my view. And Flags of our Fathers lost out too.

Eastwood has had a good run this decade, but we shouldn't get caught up in the hyperbole that the he's some sort of sacred cow to the Academy. Every streak ends at some point.


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I don't know Mike. Iwo Jima was more left field as a nominee than Changling or Gran Torino in my view. And Flags of our Fathers lost out too.

Eastwood has had a good run this decade, but we shouldn't get caught up in the hyperbole that the he's some sort of sacred cow to the Academy. Every streak ends at some point.


That's true, you make a point.

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