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A ridiculously Stupid article!
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bABA
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 A ridiculously Stupid article!
http://www.business2.com/b2/web/article ... ml?cnn=yes
Quote: The other day I discovered another cool Google (GOOG) feature -- one of hundreds hidden away in the search engine's unassuming interface. As I looked for a series of numbers, Google offered to add them up for me. I soon found that it took less time to type a simple equation into Google than to launch and operate my Mac's built-in calculator app, a version of which I've been using for 15 years.
What does it mean when a website delivers this kind of function better and faster than a desktop application? It means the desktop as we know it today is doomed. Screens may get larger, but the boxes attached to them will shrink. The Mac Mini is just the beginning.
Take two recent seismic shifts in the computer market: IBM's (IBM) sale of its PC business to China's Lenovo and Hewlett-Packard's (HPQ) announcement that it would pursue profits over market share in selling PCs. Sure, Dell's (DELL) unstoppable growth is a factor in both cases, but they also speak to smart business determinations that the days of desktop PCs gushing cash are coming to an end.
To survive, PC makers will keep cutting costs. But how much lower can they go? Sure, they can squeeze suppliers and redesign plastic casings until both are as thin as tissue paper. At some point, however, they'll have to start discarding entire subsystems. First to go will be the optical drive. Flash memory will be a cheaper and more flexible medium for any data you want to store or transfer locally. Next goes the hard drive: Network storage will be abundant, and the bandwidth to move vast amounts of data will be cheaper than ever. Then PCs will lose the CPU, replacing it with a cheap processor that just shuttles data between the network and the screen, with all the computing taking place in distant server farms. (Sun (SUNW) already offers a stripped-down terminal like this, the Sun Ray, but given the company's lack of experience in selling PCs, I doubt that it will be the dominant supplier of such machines when they become the primary computing platform.)
To be sure, there will still be some personal computers around. Engineers and creative professionals may still require high-powered workstations, and road warriors will still likely tote laptops, though they may shrink so much as to be indistinguishable from cell phones. (Tellingly, in the fourth quarter of 2004, laptops outsold desktops for the first time.) And dirt-cheap desktops will sell overseas for some time. But the vast majority of knowledge workers won't need computing power on their desktop. Everything they need will be on the Net.
has this guy actually ever run an application on his computer?? no processor required?? yea .. i give it quite a few years before THAT happens.
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Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:26 pm |
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Anonymous
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Baba - if you have a dumb terminal, then indeed, no processor is required.
Granted, there has been talk about returning to that paradigm for about 6 years now, and nothing substantial has materialized, but it is possible even with today's network speeds.
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Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:30 pm |
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bABA
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I'm not saying its not possible. it's possible today for me to survive without a lot of things .. doesn't mean their death has started in any way at all.
btw, which dumb terminal do you speak of? the type you have in corporations where your entire "virtual drive" is just mapped at some other location and all your requests for processing go there!? i know thats been in existance for a long time. cause thats not the impression i'm getting from this article. distant server farms ..... i wanna a graphic designer doing somethng like that.
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Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:37 pm |
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Anonymous
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Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. It used be that way in the past, because there was no other option. Then came personal computers, with their flexibility that could not be matched by a client-server paradigm in a business environment.
Nowadays, application servers can host office applications without a problem, and if that's all a business needs, then it might make sense for them to migrate. However, any such move would face opposition by the workers.
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Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:41 pm |
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bABA
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Krem wrote: Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. It used be that way in the past, because there was no other option. Then came personal computers, with their flexibility that could not be matched by a client-server paradigm in a business environment.
Nowadays, application servers can host office applications without a problem, and if that's all a business needs, then it might make sense for them to migrate. However, any such move would face opposition by the workers.
yea .. but this is not what i think the person is even talking about ... the office environment is extremely viable, specially the business environment where the application in use do not require heavy transfer of information and very little execution.
this person seems to be speaking more in terms of what "web services" are today ...
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Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:45 pm |
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Anonymous
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bABA wrote: Krem wrote: Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. It used be that way in the past, because there was no other option. Then came personal computers, with their flexibility that could not be matched by a client-server paradigm in a business environment.
Nowadays, application servers can host office applications without a problem, and if that's all a business needs, then it might make sense for them to migrate. However, any such move would face opposition by the workers. yea .. but this is not what i think the person is even talking about ... the office environment is extremely viable, specially the business environment where the application in use do not require heavy transfer of information and very little execution. this person seems to be speaking more in terms of what "web services" are today ...
No, he's talking about future possibilities. The web services today (like the calculator on Google) simply got him thinking.
There are already plenty of examples of this, though. Any large organization has a business reporting environment on remote servers with your computer acting as a dumb terminal that simply shows the results, while everything from the SQL statements to formatting the screen is performed halfway across the country.
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Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:58 pm |
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bABA
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Krem wrote: bABA wrote: Krem wrote: Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. It used be that way in the past, because there was no other option. Then came personal computers, with their flexibility that could not be matched by a client-server paradigm in a business environment.
Nowadays, application servers can host office applications without a problem, and if that's all a business needs, then it might make sense for them to migrate. However, any such move would face opposition by the workers. yea .. but this is not what i think the person is even talking about ... the office environment is extremely viable, specially the business environment where the application in use do not require heavy transfer of information and very little execution. this person seems to be speaking more in terms of what "web services" are today ... No, he's talking about future possibilities. The web services today (like the calculator on Google) simply got him thinking. There are already plenty of examples of this, though. Any large organization has a business reporting environment on remote servers with your computer acting as a dumb terminal that simply shows the results, while everything from the SQL statements to formatting the screen is performed halfway across the country.
true
my point is, this article is a bit of a jump into the future .. a pretty big one. while the type of examples you're citing are mainly that are not very CPU incentive (retrieving information), this does not warrant a death of a PC. point is, the article sounds like its jumping too quickly on to something just because of 1 or 2 things. seems like he hasn't gone in depth and actually checked to see if everything he's saying actually justifies his final argument or not
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Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:01 pm |
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Anonymous
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I, personally, believe that any prediction by an analyst that turns true does so because of sheer luck. It's true in sports, it's true in economics and it's true in computers.
As far as predictions about technology go, his is not the most outrageous one, but like you, I don't believe any of what he's talking about will happen.
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Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:07 pm |
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