I have some questions on the Oscars here...

First of all what are the most wins a movie has managed without winning the Best Picture Oscar? I know that Cabaret is one of them for instance. It won 8 Oscars without winning Best Picture (which it lost against The Godfather). Any other examples when movies won more Oscars than the Best Picture winner in their year?


Another similar question is...What was the movie to get most nominations without actually getting a Best Picture nom? I'd assume that Cold Mountain ranks pretty high there with 7 nominations and neither a Best Picture nor a Best Director nom.

Anyone has an idea?

I saw the Cold Mountain question before, and I remember it isn't the highest one. Need to check. In the mean time, I think this could be a good Oscar trivia thread. Do you know that Grand Hotel (1932) is the only Best Picture winner that didn't even get another nomination? Back then, there are only 3 nominees per category except for Picture, but it is still quite interesting.

the most noms without pic is they dont shoot horses do they? with 9!
the movie battleground won 5 oscars and wasnt even nominated for picture!
star wars won 6 oscars but not picutre.

Cabaret has that record, the most wins without a best picture win.

You just gave me an idea for a modified title of this thread

Interesting thing with Grand Hotel, didn't know that.

1936 they started to have more than three noms per category, by the way.

And I think the highest number of movies to ever be nominetd for Best Picture in one year is 12 and that happened in 1935 and 1936.

Doc, I have this book called the "Academy Award Handbook" its a really great book for trivia. i think they make it annually.
it is by John Harkness.

Some other interesting trivia:


Last time more than 5 movies were nominated for Best Picture was bck in 1944. These were the nominees (winner in bold):


Casablanca
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Heaven Can Wait
The Human Comedy
In Which We Serve
Madame Curie
The More the Merrier
The Ox-Bow Incident
The Song of Bernadette
Watch on the Rhine


Movies to win most Oscars:

The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - 11
Titanic - 11
Ben Hur - 11

West Side Story - 10

Gigi - 9
The Last Emperor - 9
The English Patient - 9

Gone with the Wind - 8 (I don't count the special achievement ones)
From Here to Eternity - 8
On the Waterfront - 8
Amadeus - 8
Gandhi - 8
My Fair Lady - 8
Cabaret - 8

Whenever we are on the topic of trivia, I'm always pissed about The Color Purple getting 11 nominations and not a single win. It's not like it lost to an equally great film.

I am not sure about Best Picture as I haven't seen Out of Africa yet, but Goldberg should have won Best Actress. Really, this is one of Spielberg's better films and while not a masterpiece it deserved more than 11 noms and zero wins.

However the Gangs of New York 0:10 snub makes me even more mad. As much as I liked The Pianist, Daniel Day-Lewis was much better than Adrien Brody.

Didn't Gangs of New York match that?

No, that one had 10 noms.

Most nominations received by a movie:


All About Eve - 14
Titanic - 14

Gone With The Wind - 13
From Here to Eternity - 13
Mary Poppins - 13
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? - 13
Forrest Gump - 13
Shakespeare in Love - 13
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring - 13
Chicago - 13

Mrs. Miniver - 12
The Song of Bernadette - 12
Johnny Belinda - 12
A Streetcar Named Desire - 12
On The Waterfront - 12
Ben-Hur - 12
Becket - 12
My Fair Lady - 12
Reds - 12
Dances With Wolves - 12
Schindler's List - 12
The English Patient - 12
Gladiator - 12

Mr. Smith Goes to Washington - 11
Rebecca - 11
Sergeant York - 11
The Pride of the Yankees - 11
Sunset Boulevard - 11
Judgment at Nuremberg - 11
West Side Story - 11
Oliver! - 11
The Godfather - 11
Chinatown - 11
The Godfather, Part II - 11
Julia - 11
The Turning Point - 11
Gandhi - 11
Terms of Endearment - 11
Amadeus - 11
A Passage to India - 11
The Color Purple - 11
Out of Africa - 11
Saving Private Ryan - 11
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - 11
The Aviator - 11

Okay, I found it out:

Most Oscar nominations without a Best Picture nomination: They Shoot Horses, don't They? - 9 nominations.

However, I believe Cold Mountain holds a record for most nominations without a Best Picture AND Best Director noms.


Some further trivia:

The only movies that managed to win Best Picture AND Best Song:

The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Titanic
Gigi
Going My Way

Only Movies To Win Best Picture and NOT Be Nominated For Their Screenplay:

Titanic

The Sound Of Music

Hamlet

Calvacade

Grand Hotel

The Broadway Melody

Wings

Here are some heavily nominated movies that didn't win BP. (Aviator is soon to be added)

13 Mary Poppins 1964
12 Johnny Belinda 1948
12 A Streetcar Named Desire 1951
12 Becket 1964
12 Reds 1981
11 Mr. Smith Goes to Washington 1939
11 Sergeant York 1941
11 The Pride of the Yankees 1942
11 Sunset Boulevard 1950
11 Judgment at Nuremberg 1961
11 Chinatown 1974
11 Julia 1977
11 The Turning Point 1977
11 A Passage to India 1984
11 The Color Purple 1985 (poor thing was shut out, too)
11 Saving Private Ryan 1998

Put of all films, you didn't put FOTR on the list. I'd expect it to be your prime example

I already used that as an example once today, when I brought up A Beautiful Mind. \:D/

However, it obviously doesn't happen often lately. I mean you mention Saving Private Ryan, but Shakespeare in Love got more nominations. I don't see a repeat of 2002 that soon.

Don't forget that the Turning Point ties that record too.

Also, here is another record.

The most Oscar wins that did not get a best picture nomination: The Bad and the Beautiful (5 wins).
The only best picture winner that did not win any other best picture category from other awards: Braveheart.

1985 was a tough year. In many was it feels a bit like this year. Witness and The Color Purple were defaintely worthy of a win. Out of Africa I think benefitted from the whole "majesty of the Oscars type thing".

If The Color Purple deserved anything, it's Whoopi Goldberg's amazing performance, which is amongst the best of the 1980s. It makes me happy that she won later on as a make-up, but come on... for Ghost?

Oprah Winfrey also didn't amazingly, but Angelica Huston was a deserved winner for Prizzi's Honor.

It's a travesty that Out of Africa beat The Color Purple, Ran AND Brazil for Art Direction.

It's a travesty that Spielberg wasn't nominated, and sad that Peter Weir, Akira Kurosawa and John Huston lost to Sydney Pollack.