If that was the case, then everybody would decide for their tax money to go back to them

Well its not just a class breakdown. Ethnic, religious, rural/urban, etc. There are more poor/middle, and the bulk of tax dollars still comes from there, but everyone if left to their own choices will pick only the issues that directly benefit them. Even poor/middle class have sentiments towards this war, and lets say it wasn't about Iraq but about Sudan? or Rwanda? What if the poor/middle still didn't care about it as much as school/ public services? What type of public services? Rural needs for paving roads vs. Urban needs for public transportation? Gas? Poor white are not going to give money to poor black, and neither of them is going to give money to poor mexican. I dunno, the fact is that if everyone had their say than there really should just be an ixnay on taxing. But then we'll have to deal with massive infrastructure fallout, since no one will consider donating to something that is federal or interstate rather than local.

Actually, I think you're right in a round-a-bout way. People would ultimately choose what they felt was most important to them in their everday life.

umm no ... no one should copy canada's tax system. we get taxed too much and never see that money being spent anywhere cept a medical system which kills you anyway due to the wait times.

Exactly, and that's the basic tenet of libertarianism: people do not need the government deciding what's best for them; they can do it much better themselves.

education doesn't cost as much as the states. thats true. but considering my gf assumilated upto 30K worth of debt during 3 years, and our income being lower as it is, its not really all that great when compared to some other places.

and honestly, i'd rather use my work insurance any day and go to a private clinic than wait as much as i do. a condition of mine (which somewhat became pretty serious a few months ago), went untreated because i was sick and tired waiting for hours for each of my appointments. To get one diagnosis, i had to take 3 trips to 3 different places for tests and that wasted a good 18 hours of my life. total time actuallly spent on me? prolly less than 45 minutes. Health system here may be free but it sucks.

Thats why i like health benefits from work ... those really work out .... 6 hour wait times for a fractured rib is not really a good deal the way i see it.

Yeah LOL.. maybe not to great, but the nurses did give the people in the waiting room Tylenol 3 until they were seen by a doctor. :razz:

Meh.

The more I think about it and study things, the more I realize i'm closer to a libertarian than anything. I still think we need welfare programs, though.

Also, the one thing that bugs me the most about libertarians is they seem to put social issues second to economical issues, and that's the exact opposite of how I am.

fuck you

(if guys are so disgusting and unable to turn anyone else on (though you should speak for yourself cause I know I don't feel that way) then shouldn't it be as baffling that women or anyone else would be attracted to guys?)

I will never understand so much hypocrisy from certain groups of people, and I'm though trying to do so.

Well, for true libertarians, there is no real difference between the two. But I do understand what you mean. One of the reasons for that is that a lot of people believe that without economic freedom, there can be no other freedom. What good is freedom of speech, if you can't put your money where your mouth is, so to speak.

Mike and Rod...

Galia (dolcevita) sent me an awesome PM regarding the subject of why homosexual sex between two men is seen as "repulsive" while homosexual sex between two women is seen as "hot". If she would be okay with, i'd like to share it with you guys.