You have to be kidding me..."tolerence" can be a very dangerous word? Wow...just when I thought the Christian Right could not get any more ignorant...and now this. Don't get me wrong...I'm a christian myself, but this is just disgusting....

Since when is it a bad thing to teach kids thats its NOT ok to call gay people "fags" and other rude things...


sigh




Find the rest here

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... _turmoil_1

The whole Spongebob thing was blown out of proportion, and not neccessary in my opinion. It's just a damn cartoon for god sakes! It just sickens me that people actually want to go out of their way to claim that Spongebob Sqaurepants is a gay character, and that the cartoon is brainwashing the children to be more tolerant of homosexuals. It's just hilarious how some people are acting over this.

There was also an episode of "Arthur" pulled because one of his friends in the cartoon goes to visit his Aunt, and she has a female partner, and she is a lesbian. I just find this whole ordeal ridiculous, and it really makes me annoyed.

I am still seriously amazed by the...complex...obsession some people have with homosexuality

Yeah?? And I'm amazed that some Males in this World would rather fuck a Guy up the ass instead of being with a member of the Opposite Sex, which YES, BAFFLES me and seems to me the only reason the young adults today are so into this bullshit is because it's trendy and different... How a Guy at such a young age such as yourself or Pink can even fathom fucking another Man VS a female makes me wonder where the hell you took the wrong detour in this pattern of thinking... I mean seriously, before you both go lynching me for saying this, let me ask you: How is it that a Male turns you on more than a female does??? How??? Hell, I'm a Male and when I was 20 years old or however old you to are, I would've never of thought or even had a thought or feelings for another Male and that's just perplexing at what the hell went wrong in that scenario???

Well this world is coming to terms with the facte that guya and woman wont to sleep with the same sex. We are all gonna have to sooner or later face it. I really see nothing upsetting about it. hell guys think its hot when 2 woman or making out how is it any different when 2 guys are? i'm not saying that turns me on though just pointing out its not much different.

Thanks Appy. BKB should just accept that people are different, and not all of us are heterosexual. I'm not asking him to accept it because I know he doesn't. I'm just asking that he respect me, and what I want to do with my life. It would be great if one day he would just say "If you want to be gay that is fine, its not my place to tell you how to live your life." Because the more he talks about how much he hates homosexuality, it seems that he is preaching to everyone that it is wrong, and they should convert themselves to meet his standards.

Dude...once again...refrain from the personal attacks. Im not gay either so your entire argument holds no merit. Thirdly, in case you forgot "homosexuality" isnt restricted to just guys...does someone have a complex?

Fourthly...were not really on the topic of whether or not homosexuality is normal, natural...ect...It is about tolerance BKB,. It is about accepting others, and of course yo uhave to turn everything into something sexual.

If want to post in the thread, please try to stay on the topic at hand, instead of bringing sexuality into it, or defacing mine or pinks name....

Look, I'm gonna say this 1 time and back out of this topic: You say this is not about sexuality and whatnot, but you do realize that at some point in this thread you've created on a subject like this for the umpteenth time, that there are gonna be folks that bring sexuality into it and it's kind of hard NOT to.. And when did I personally attack you?? I'm merely stating my issue on the subject and you get all hypersensitive over it... This thread isn't any different than the one Libs made sometime back titled "Shocking" that had to do with the same exact subject right down to the "T" and look at how quickly that deteriorated into a Flame War.. I just don't see how this thread is gonna end up any damn different then the other ones and for someone like you who claims your not a Homosexual, you sure do focus an awful lot on the subject now don't you?? :???:

Hon, spell check is your best friend.. Please use it.. :wink:

BKB...just because I fight for rights does not mean Im gay. I support civil rights as well...does that mean Im black...I support equality between men and women in the work place....does that mean Im a woman? Cmon BKB, your smarter than that. I support things that every human being should have...one of those being tolerance.

And no...you did not have to bring in comments about fuckin guys in the ass., me and pink being homosexual...ect. I have now learned not to get all pissed over your comments, well because I know all you do is try to get a rise out of people. I think that is kinda sad. I had really hoped you could take this conversation seriously, without your preemptive attacks on others. I was let down, but after my initial response to your first post, I thought...yet again, that we could have an intellectual coversation, but I guess thats just me dreaming.
If you really want to tal about the issue at hand, then please,,,respond to it, without bringing little grade school quips into it.

If you respond with yet another demeaning post, I will know for sure that you...really have no substance to you and all you care about is pissing people off...

So with that said...clean slate between you and me BKB...and lets try and have a good discussion

i think this refers more to that other cartoon where theres actually a depiction of a lesbian couple me thinks.

The solution: don't use taxpayer's money on anything controversial. God knows, there's plenty of private funding for the media.

agreed for more than just this reason .. i'm assuming you're refering to PBS' broadcast of that cartoon as well.

There is a difference between "tolerance" in it's true form and telling someone that they can't express their feelings about the morality of certain acts and lifestyle choices.
Don't ask me to be morally ambiguous. Don't ask me to accept moral relativism. Don't ask me to stop believing there are some absolute truths in this world and that some of them relate to how we live.
You can ask me not to be violent or "hate" someone because of how they live, but you have no right to ask me to "approve" of it. You're not going to get anywhere with that.
I will not approve or applaud as "brave" that which I find morally offensive. Call me a bigot if you want.
Tolerance is a two-way street.

Of course. Nobody can stop Nickolodeon from airing Spongebob, no matter how much it's not liked.

=D> =D>

This is why people should be allowed to choose where their tax money goes.

I find it really, really perplexing that when people bash homosexuals they seem to forget that lesbians are homosexuals, too.

You're okay with one because it givs you an erection when you see it on TV. But the other is atrocious and morally wrong, apparently.

Wouldn't "tolerance in it's true form" be allowing gay people to marry?

I disagree. You either place value in a system where you pay communally, sometimes for things you don't like, or you don't. Krem, believes in privitizing donations, etc. That's a clean vision and is fine. Its not one I agree with, but I know the arguement. However believing in taxation means you have a sense that you are giving the government money for projects. What they chose to do as projects isn't for you to say. Other wise rich people would say they didn't want their money to go to poor rural or urban schools, or to beautification projects in cities that aren't their own, or a war if they don't believe in it (or if they do). At that point, just achkowledge that the taxation system isn;t for you, and encourage charity, were people get to chose were it goes. I used to think that and would give money to charities for tax deducatble returns, and then I realized that it was countering the philosphy. How would I feel if there was a war I wanted our country to enter and other people didn't, and so designated their taxes go elsewhere? I don't know. Its still very tricky and I sit on both ends now. On one side I realize that just cause I don't want to pay for certain things, doesn't mean that legislation should be made for deviations. Then everyone can use it, and no one will pay for things I do want. On the other hand, I do want to see my money go to certain spaces and not others. So which is it, I deal with my taxes going to projects I may not agree with? But then perhaps later other people's money will go to projects I do. Or, do I axe the whole thing and say to each his own, in which case my money goes where I want, but no one else's does, but then again my money doesn't go to their projects either. I still lean towards the former, but.....



Secondly, don't respond to the baiting, its frustratingly intentional. :wink:

I have some ideas about this, they are pretty cerebral and I mentioned them once in a movie thread Snrub started. If you are interested, I'll pm you.



Not really, but it would mean not going out of one's way to legislate oppressive standards. If I wanted to start some kind of female organization that didn't allow men, I guess I could, but I shouldn't try to prohibit them men from starting their own counter. Marriage is such an ambiguous definition. Some religious institutions allow it, some don't. Frankly, I don't really see why the ones that don't are still being so addemently pursued? I'd say go join a different sect that will embrace you and still teaches what you believe in. There are plenty of them. On the other hand I don't like one institution pressuring or trying to force legislation in according to their standards onto all the other ones. So I guess this is a government stay out type of thing, which is the issue I primarily have. If church A says no and Church B says yes, than anyone who wants it should go to church B. The only problem is when Church a tries to pressure the government into saying that it won't respect the decisions church B has made. That's intollerance.

I feel a Nina Simone quote coming on...... "You don't have to live next to me, just give me my equality."

Thing is, Galia, there is more poor/middle class people than rich people. If Americans were allowed to decide where their taxes went I believe you would see military spending drop and schools and public services rise.

I don't know about you bkb but when i stand in front of the mirror ... man .. my bodies hot ... I'd hit it.

True story.

Yeah, i'd like to see that.

If that was the case, then everybody would decide for their tax money to go back to them

Well its not just a class breakdown. Ethnic, religious, rural/urban, etc. There are more poor/middle, and the bulk of tax dollars still comes from there, but everyone if left to their own choices will pick only the issues that directly benefit them. Even poor/middle class have sentiments towards this war, and lets say it wasn't about Iraq but about Sudan? or Rwanda? What if the poor/middle still didn't care about it as much as school/ public services? What type of public services? Rural needs for paving roads vs. Urban needs for public transportation? Gas? Poor white are not going to give money to poor black, and neither of them is going to give money to poor mexican. I dunno, the fact is that if everyone had their say than there really should just be an ixnay on taxing. But then we'll have to deal with massive infrastructure fallout, since no one will consider donating to something that is federal or interstate rather than local.