Build the Berlin Wall again!

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i heard that in order for you to be a legal prostitue you have to be German Born or equivalent of? Apparently, smuggling women to work as prositutes germany is now rampant bc it is legalized, however if they are found to not be "german born' they get in big trouble.

Don't know how this relates to this issue.

You guys have low unemployment rates bc you have high percentage of part time workers in comparison to ppl here. Ppl there can take part time jobs and still have some social assistance, which is not really the case here

Haha...funny story...so far from the truth...this can only come from a british magazine :razz: :razz: :razz:

Shad, obviously your mileage may vary; consider also that the unemployment rate in the former Soviet Union was 0%.

Germany's high unemployment rate has to do with its welfare benefits system as well as with the high unemployment rate in the east. For the longest time, Germany's welfare was set up to pay people for not working.
It came down to the absurd - my uncle, who lives there, would not look for a job, because for a two worker household would wind up receiving less in the end than a one worker household with the other one receiving welfare benefits.

There is also the government intrusion into the economy and the collusion between the government and private interestst. They might or might not be a factor in Scandinavia. All of these things, in addition to demographics (Germany is much more diverse than Iceland is) contribute to the unemployment rate.

Really? Haven't there always been isolated places in Germany where prostitution is legal? I thought places like die Reeperbahn and die Große Freiheit in Hamburg have existed there for decades.

Okay, St. Pauli and Reeperbahn aside... (I am not sure if that was legal, but everyone knew about it anyway)

Officially, it was legalized a bit over a year ago, methinks. Maybe two years ago.

Isn't this rather sex discriminatory? The way that Krem puts it, technically no woman should ever get unemployment/welfare because she would always have a job. But a man could be on unemployment.

If you're on unemployment in Germany, they send job offers to you? In the States, I think you have to go look yourself.

Well, there's always male prostitution.

And don't get me started on the German scheisse videos.

For the first year, you look for jobs yourself, unless you wish them to send you job offers. After a year, they send you some offers and you have to pick one of them, unless you come up with a good excuse (which most people will do).

You said KINK. \:D/

Of COURSE it's a living... and a damn important one at that. Getting laid on a quasi-regular basis is the key to a happy life, and we sure as hell need more hookers than we do accountants. (Do they DO accountants? That's enough to put anyone to sleep.)

Anyway, when it comes to exploiting people, so-called "welfare" states cannot hold a candle to governments controlled by conservatives, who manipulate economies to drive wages down and bust unions, so that only about 2% of the population controls the nation's wealth... which may explain the erosion of civil rights in the USA since 2001.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... ny_jobless

German Unemployment Passes 5 Million Mark

BERLIN - German unemployment hit a new post-World War II high in January, passing the politically sensitive 5 million mark for the first time in Europe's biggest economy, government figures showed Wednesday.


I wonder what's going to happen now ?

Nothing, this unemployment has existed all the way, only wasn't counted.

As I said, we have a new system that combines welfare and unemployment benefits into one. Previously, the welfare recipients, weren't counted as unemployed, but after Hartz IV, they are considered as officially unemployed, hence the dramatic rise of the numbers.

Ok, I have to eat crow now.

This story is a fake (or a case of inaccurate reporting), and I should've known better than to post. To my defense, the story appearing in Telegraph threw me off, as I considered it to be a legit newspaper. I won't make the same mistake again ;-)

Lecter, you're the only person here who could Russian, English and German - check out this link, that details the bullshit around the world: http://www.livejournal.com/users/labas/246793.html

Nice new addition to the title there Krem. :wink:

This is by far the rarest gem of a moment since this afternoon's dictatorship lovefest. I'm going to keep this special additional "bs" for blackmail material. When you least expect it.....envelope under the stall of a men room in the back of a shady philadelphia bar....

OH NOEZ, NOT THE BLACK MALE!!!!!

I wanted the addition to be longer, but the gods of phpBB would not allow that

I read the whole thing now, including all German articles and did some of my own research as well.

As for the research in the article, I can second what one of the comments has said: образцовое расследование!

The first German article is rather funny as well, the humor is hardly translatable, though, hehe

Then I went through German news sites and it seems like the Telegraph/TAZ article spread it all over the German net, so I got to read tons of comments and other articles on that. The main point with the whole thing is basically: "Такие компании не обращаются на биржу труда. У них есть другие каналы". It means that brothels don't need job markets and they usually don't look for prostitutions with the help of unemployment agencies.

What I found out as a matter of fact, though, after reading many articles, that there is nothing in law (well, in Hartz IV) that would prevent things like these from happening. There is a law that says that no one shall be forced into prostituion, but that law doesn't go for job agencies, but much rather for owners of brothels who are not allowed to force their prostitutes into something they don't want to do. So that is arguable. Then there is of course the very first line in the German Law which says: "Human dignity is intangible", but after the legalization of prostitution, the job is not considered something that is against the dignity...

However, job agencies don't accept offers from brothels, they still insist on morals, I mean, obviously, if it was legal to force people into prostitution, there would be a major uproar over it and the last thing the government wants to do at the moment is having the voters hating it even more (I mean, millions already hate it for the Hartz IV reform).

The second German article also states that the employment agency PUBLICALLY aplogogized for trying to give "Sabine Hell" a job as a prostitute, they said that the brothel told them, they needed a "barkeeper". They also have said that unemployed people will never be given offers of prostitution anymore and that even though they are forced to formaly accept job offers from brothels in their job catalogues, these jobs will not be offered to the unemployed because it's against "all customs and morals".

So, after all I read, I came to the conclusion that there is nothing in the law that forbids what the article has suggested, but there is still this "unspoken law" that prevents it from happening. Also, I read statements from brothel owners who have said that they don't even want unemployed to become prostitutes against their own will and therefore they don't submit their job offers to the employment agencies.

I hope that cleared it up more or less.

OMG I need help please!

I'm writing a research report on prositution and one aspect of this report is that i have to include a news article that demonstrates a patriarchal view on prositution.

I was going to use this article. Did this actually appear in the telegraph?? Is this newspaper credible?

Thanks for any help.

Yeah, it appeared in the Telegraph, which I thought was credible. But it was all BS.

Thanks Krem for the reply

Check out Harvard's Reproductive health forum. I haven't been there inawhile, but it deals alot with this, and I'm pretty sure you'll find tons of credible sources that critique patriarchal discussions, and will prceed to cite the discussions, so you can maybe then find those.

Do you have a link to this forum Dolce?? If you do it will be much appreciated