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Post Re: Superman Begins: How would you make it?
I wouldn't do an origin story. BB worked because Batman's origin had never been shown on film. Supes' has.

For a change of pace, I would go all out with the Michael Bay jingoistic action. May not be the most critically acclaimed choice, but it would turn a decent profit.

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Yeah a restart would spell doom for Superman. You cant re-start a franchise directly after it was restarted. Its like having another Batman origin film after Batman Begins. Cant happen.

They need to either continue with what they have - Routh/Singer (or replace him), dump Superman Jr and just amp up the film and make it kick ass - darker, more action - whatever the first one lacked. If its any good - it will re-ignite interest in the franchise.

Or else, they need to let Superman be for another 5 years or so and then intergrate him into a DC universe type film.

But another re-boot should be avoided at all costs.

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A movie franchise isn't a soup recipe. You don't just keep trying new combinations and adding shit until somebody wants to eat it.

If a picture doesn't take, you move onto something else.

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They need tot continue with Superman Returns 2.

I LOVED Returns :wub2:

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SR had heaps of emotions, something that TDK was sorely lacking.

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Yeah a restart would spell doom for Superman. You cant re-start a franchise directly after it was restarted. Its like having another Batman origin film after Batman Begins. Cant happen.

They need to either continue with what they have - Routh/Singer (or replace him), dump Superman Jr and just amp up the film and make it kick ass - darker, more action - whatever the first one lacked. If its any good - it will re-ignite interest in the franchise.

Or else, they need to let Superman be for another 5 years or so and then intergrate him into a DC universe type film.

But another re-boot should be avoided at all costs.


Well, do realize that the latter "dumping Sup Jr" and starting with a new style (and probably new cast) is pretty much restarting.

TIH was a restart, despite the fact that it wasn't an origin story. It had a different origin (which they showed in the credits) and was a completely different storyline.

Even if they don't re-tell the origin, they need to do another restart. They can't keep this same style and the same story.


No I dont mean a re-start. I mean a sequel with Routh (and maybe Singer) and no new style - just amped up with more action. Also the Super-kid should be hardly seen. So yeah a sequel. I cant see why not considering the first did make $200m. How much did WB expect?? Seriously the cap was $220m. If the budget got out of control they only have themselves to blame.

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I do not feel a reboot is needed, just a sequel that has a different tone and theme. It does not need to be like the Incredible Hulk and pretend like Returns never happened, there is a happy middle ground that both movies can meet each other.

First off, the character of Superman is incredibly hard to relate to, in our mythology today he is viewed as above human or "a son of god," which is why Singer explored that in his movie. However, this makes Superman/Clark Kent almost impossible to relate to, because he is not placed in every day situations. Something must be found to make Superman/Clark Kent human and I see no other way to do that, then to eliminate one of the main weak points of Returns...Supes Jr. In Singer's universe, Supes Jr. may lead to a fanstic story arc but it is obvious that the majority of te public did not respond in favor to this, and I am sorry if this sounds insensitive, but by killing off his son, all of a sudden Superman becomes human, he was incapable of stopping a disaster/personal trauma and now has to deal with something that all of us have dealt with in life, this could lead to Superman dealing with regret...wouldn't that be a great character study.

The next point is the villian. In the film series of Superman, we have seen Luthor in every possible way, main and puppet master of other villians. I feel that it would be very hard for the public to see Luthor again, I think he should take a movie off and the reins be giving to a new villian. I feel the two best villians would be Metallo or Brainiac. Metallo would be perfect for a action-packed, fist fighting movie (picture Matrix Revoltions fight scenes x 10000), however, it is kind of hard to have Metallo without Luther. Brainiac would be a perfect villian for a sequel similar to Returns, it just fits so well with the film that was made, but it would go against a lot of points I made in this post. So this is a toss up and I honestly do not what route to take.

Finally, Brandon Routh...he didnt do a bad job in Returns but he didn't do a great job either. I feel that he would a decent job, keep him aroudn but replace Bosworth...please.

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What was wrong with Bosworth, she didn't stand out in any negative way in my book?

As for not being able to relate to Supes, i never felt like that. Yes, he's the most powerfull of all superheroes but he still has his fare share of everyday problems, related to the job, relationships etc. In that sense, he's just like Spiderman, only that he's not a teenager and that he would make short work of him if it would come to a fight. So in short, i have no idea what you all are talking about.

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Its hard for Superman because most of his story is in American mythology, people who have never read a comic book or seen a comic book movie can most likely give you the basics of the Superman origin and basic storyline. In that way, there was no real drama or tension between Superman and Lois Lane in the last movie because you knew they were going to end up together.

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I just dont feel that they have to restart every movie just because the last one wasnt well received in public. Pretty soon we will get Catwoman Begins and Howard the Duck Begins



Oh My God. You don't understand how badly I want a Catwoman Begins film. It would be the most beautiful trainwreck of all time.

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there was no real drama or tension between Superman and Lois Lane in the last movie because you knew they were going to end up together.

How so? Where is it written that they live together happily ever after? I'm not big into comics but as i understand it there's seldom a definite story, it often gets changed, reeboted, whatever, so i think that gives filmmakers more leeway when dealing with superheroes. Besides, knowing that the ship sinks didn't hurt Titanic, did it?

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Tell me something new.

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Post Re: Superman Begins: How would you make it?
Well, let's see if this leads anywhere or is just another dead end.

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(BOF) Batman-On-Film has some news about a Superman Sequel...
I can report that a spec script has drawn the interest of the folks over in Burbank. While it is a direct sequel to SUPERMAN RETURNS, it also revamps and adds a lot of the current Superman comic book mythos into the film franchise.

Also, Superman Homepage is adding some speculation to the fire started by Anne Thompson at Variety yesterday.

I received an email earlier this week stating that writers have been hired, and Bryan Singer (who is still attached to direct) is having writing sessions with them twice a week. I'm unable to get the names of those writers at this point in time, but have put in a call to my source to get a response to Anne Thompson's report.


http://bluetights.net/ - To be fair, it's pro DC, pro Superman/Returns so it could be a lot of talk about nothing. With that in mind, that would be the best option for Warners and the fans, on paper. Fans who want to see a direct sequel are happy, while people who didn't like that film so much are happy as well.

And also Warner Brothers is re-releasing Superman Returns on Blu-Ray an announcement which truly came out of nowhere. From Superherohype.com

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"Blu-ray.com reports that Warner Home Video will re-release the Blu-ray Disc for Bryan Singer's Superman Returns on September 9 with Dolby TrueHD and PCM soundtracks. The original Blu-ray release featured only a Dolby Digital soundtrack while the HD DVD got the lossless audio track. Warner is now rectifying the situation with a proper Blu-ray release.


It's odd that it's just being announced now instead of a couple of months ago like with most new releases. Although I don't expect a huge announcement or anything, maybe they're trying to give the film an extra nudge so they can decide whether there is any demand or not.

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The idea of watching a new Superman origin story is so boring that I could decompose just thinking about it.


Yeah. Shelve this for another twenty years or so.

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Just a few days after this article was posted, Warner Bros. Pictures Group President Jeff Robinov has told The Wall Street Journal that the studio is going to be reintroducing Superman. We assume this will be similar to how Louis Leterrier's The Incredible Hulk was a reboot of Ang Lee's Hulk. Here is what the article says:

Warner Bros. also put on hold plans for another movie starring multiple superheroes -- known as "Batman vs. Superman" -- after the $215 million "Superman Returns," which had disappointing box-office returns, didn't please executives. "'Superman' didn't quite work as a film in the way that we wanted it to," says Mr. Robinov. "It didn't position the character the way he needed to be positioned." "Had 'Superman' worked in 2006, we would have had a movie for Christmas of this year or 2009," he adds. "But now the plan is just to reintroduce Superman without regard to a Batman and Superman movie at all."

The article also talks about Warner Bros. adapting other DC properties over the new few years. "By 2011, Mr. Robinov plans for DC Comics to supply the material for up to two of the six to eight tent-pole films he hopes Warner Bros. will have in the pipeline by then," it says. Those projects will likely be about single characters at first, and will be darker much like The Dark Knight:

With "Batman vs. Superman" and "Justice League" stalled, Warner Bros. has quietly adopted Marvel's model of releasing a single film for each character, and then using those movies and their sequels to build up to a multicharacter film. "Along those lines, we have been developing every DC character that we own," Mr. Robinov says.

Like the recent Batman sequel -- which has become the highest-grossing film of the year thus far -- Mr. Robinov wants his next pack of superhero movies to be bathed in the same brooding tone as "The Dark Knight." Creatively, he sees exploring the evil side to characters as the key to unlocking some of Warner Bros.' DC properties. "We're going to try to go dark to the extent that the characters allow it," he says. That goes for the company's Superman franchise as well.

The studio is set to announce its plans for future DC movies in the next month. For now, though, it is focused on releasing four comic-book films in the next three years, including a third Batman film, a new film reintroducing Superman, and two movies focusing on other DC Comics characters. Movies featuring Green Lantern, Flash, Green Arrow, and Wonder Woman are all in active development.

We'll let you know as soon as the studio has announced its plans for future DC movies.


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So that ends the speculation. No way singer or routh will be part of this reboot. Good riddance.

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What a shame. Superman Returns was a fantastic movie.


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superman returns was boring drivel but I would have liked to see superman returns..... returns.

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disappointing. Really enjoyed Superman Returns and I would have loved to see Singer take a second shot at the character.


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The easiest villain to use for a reboot is Bizarro. I'm sure it's the route they'll go. Luthor won't deliver any money shot action sequences by himself.


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if it was a sequel then I bet they would have gone with Doomsday. Kind of a bummer.


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Another interesting titbit at savesuperman site though it is just a rumor.

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I just got confirmation three sources that the next Superman indeed is a full reboot!! They all believe Singer is being offered a producing credit if he wants it, but there will be a new cast and crew!! Announcements should be made shortly after Labor Day according to them.


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Post Re: Superman Begins: How would you make it?
I still say either you give Singer another crack or you wait twenty years.

He had the right idea and even the right cast (save the horrifically miscast Bosworth). But he had no script and the movie was a big, stinky bore.

The last thing we need is more brooding in the Batman sense. I liked Singer's more optimistic approach even if I thought his movie was a turd.

Why is everyone so afraid of making a superhero movie with fun and adventure?

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I still say either you give Singer another crack or you wait twenty years.

He had the right idea and even the right cast (save the horrifically miscast Bosworth). But he had no script and the movie was a big, stinky bore.

The last thing we need is more brooding in the Batman sense. I liked Singer's more optimistic approach even if I thought his movie was a turd.

Why is everyone so afraid of making a superhero movie with fun and adventure?


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I still say either you give Singer another crack or you wait twenty years.


And how is waiting 20 years going to magically make the ideas for another Superman movie any better? If the right ideas come along another one should be made, it doesn't matter if it's 2 years from now or 20. If someone other than Singer can come up with a good Superman movie in the next couple of years then he should do it.


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