That's what I was looking for.

And honestly, that sounds pretty lame. Jack "helps?" That just introduces more unnecessary confusion. So does Jack now share in the Davey mythology? Is he kinda immortal? One would think so.

And JACK's sword, of all things? I would have chosen Will's sword (talk about completing the cycle) or Bootstrap's knife.

BTW, what's up with Will now? Is he immortal, or did that only apply to Crazy Davey, and Will is just a regular Joe now? What about Will's heart? Do they put it back in? Does Will get someone to stab it? Do they hang onto it until Will is on his deathbed and THEN he gets somebody to stab it? Did Will already choose who's going to captain the Dutchman?

I mean seriously, Ted and Terry could have simplified this some. This isn't LotR, which had a book (with Appendices) to explain everything. The Aztec curse was about as complex as an audience can handle. BTW, what about Jack the Already Immortal Monkey? Maybe they ought to get HIM to pilot the Dutchman. That would solve all the problems at once.

Ok, so I saw this again, and now that I wasn't stressed out, angry drunk on rum and with better company I actually kinda enjoyed it. It's still a mess and massively unfocused, but this time around I was entertained and it struck me as a bit less noisy and nonsensical (probably due to having rewatched the first two films for the first time since they came out in theaters.)

If Will's love isn't there for him at the end of the ten years, then yes, he's immortal. But if she is and he decides to stay with her, then he'll get his heart back and live out the rest of his mortal years on land with his beloved.

Don't know HOW he'll get the heart back, but anything's possible in these movies.

Personally, I think Bootstrap'll be the one to take over the captainship; he's not got anything to really live for in the mortal world and no "twu wuv" to tie him down, so I can see him finding the captainship of the Dutchman to be a new purpose in "life".

Joy

woah woah woah!!

where did it say that? i thought all they said was they can meet every 10 years.

Yea, What the hell is with that explaination Tina, that wasn't in the movie.

My question is why the hell couldnt Elizabeth be on the ship. I mean if there is a thing where only dead people can be on it, that doesnt explain Will being on it in the 2nd. Sure Jack gave his soul to Davy Joins, but he still wasnt dead.

They all DID fight on it during the big battle scene... and when they took over Sao Fangs ship, Elizabeth and the crew were all put in the brig...

Some parts made NO sense...

Oh, I saw it again last night... The good parts got better... the bad parts got worse... and even a few good parts got worse...

And I've decided to dislike the score. It's all the same... except they added that stupid pirate song to everything and makes it sound like shit.

I moved my grade down to a B

Elizabeth can't go on the Dutchman because they sometimes travel underwater (as seen in DMC), and a living being isn't gonna be able to survive that. Plus, there's the fact that the curse requires his love to remain on land to test her faithfulness...

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As you can see, where I got the explanation concerning the curse being broken in the end was from the writers, who I always take as the ultimate authority for canon, because without the script, there is no movie. Therefore, if the writers say the curse is broken, then it is.

Hopefully we'll have deleted scenes on the DVD, so we'll still get the explanation in the end (for those unwilling to accept the writers' word as law).

Joy

Ok, this is just retarded. They can't keep all these explanations off-screen and portray them as fact! I can only give credit for what's in the movie. And in the movie it says Will gets 1 day every 10 years to visit Elizabeth.

If they cut it out of the movie, they did so for a reason and arguing that it takes place in the context of the finished film is silly.

It's like suggesting Dante got shot at the end of Clerks, to make one obvious example. That was the ending, after all, until Kevin Smith cut it out.

I'm forever using that example to counter some of the bullshit I've read over the last few pages.

That would have reaaaaaallly ruined the movie, too. heh.

The difference between what was cut and what was portrayed is that the mechanics of the curse are exactly the same, it's just that the clarification of those mechanics ended up on the cutting room floor. And the writers definitely didn't make it sound like it was cut because it didn't work... They certainly wanted it to remain in the movie.

Joy

It was really enjoyable and entertaining. Johnny Depp was at his best; he felt even more in character than the previous two films. I got a lot of laughs from him, his lines and his facial expressions.

I love how the story really tied everything together in the end. Even the guards of Davey Jones' heart were the two guards from the original film way back in the beginning! So awesome. I give a lot of credit to the writers for making such an interesting, layered story out of what was just a stupid theme ride at Disneyland.

And Verbinski never ceases to impress me. He knows how to shoot a film so beautifully; a lot of really lovely shots were in this film, where I just wanted to take a snapshot, frame it and put it on the wall. And I enjoy his editing through sometimes complicated parts of the film, when plot is really being fleshed out and discussions are happening. Verbinski knows how to get the story across, without being too vague nor too overbearing on the audience.

Can't wait for the fourth! The ending certainly left open more room for another adventure (the fountain of youth! Neat).

B+

Peace,
Mike.

Hey now, that "stupid theme ride" is a classic...

I love that ride! Certainly more entertaining than films 2 + 3 of this franchise...

Hear hear.

Arr

I agree that it's retarded how ALL this stuff about the curse is left unsaid. You shouldn't have to got outside the move for the basics. iT's one of the reason Reloaded was such crap. My friend siad -- Oh, they explain that in the Animatrix. Yeah thanks.

PJ managed it in LotR as best he could, but he had a whole book to cover. Ted and Terry didn't have to cover a book, they can rewrite what they want.

Yeesh.

Gotta go.

The Animatrix is at least a great deal of fun, at least for the kind of people into that kind of stuff. Pirates, on the other hand, has no excuse. It's not a self-styled work of pub philosophy.

You guys seem to be missing the point.

It's NOT in the movie. There isn't even a vague mention of the curse being able to be lifted in that particular way. We are not supposed to figure it out on our own. Since it isn't in the movie it basically doesn't exist. They can come up with a new way to release Will from the curse in the next movie, if they make a 4th. And they certainly wont just have Will released from the curse because Elizabeth is there and not explain it, if, again, they make a 4th.

My thought is, if they make a 4th, it will center on releasing Will from the curse, and will probably have nothing to do with all the stuff mentioned in this thread.

The problem, however, is that they DID write it, but it got cut in editing. They had no say over what remained in the movie.

And there's no way that a 4th movie is going to be about Will. His and Liz's story is done, complete, finito. Not only have the characters been given an ending, but the actors also have said they don't plan on coming back... Orlando wants to do other types of movies, and Keira's thought about taking a break from acting.

If there's a 4th movie, it'll be a storyline concerning Jack and Barbossa.

Joy

...which would be much better.

The ending obviously hinted towards a possible storyline with Barbossa and Jack. Their story didn't have a conclusion really, where as Will and Elizabeth's did. Jack lost the Black Pearl, again, and both he and Barbossa are interested in finding the Fountain of Youth. So there is room for another one.

So if Will and Eliz are finito, then there's no reason to hold back and part of that particular storyline. Why did Gore cut it out of the movie, leaving all the ladies unsatisfied? Just to fit in the SFX? Gore's alienated a good part of the WOM-base that made PotC 2 and 3 possible. Really, you would think that some Disney Exec would have picked up on this and asked for some better closure.

I really liked it. Best of the series? The original may have been a bit more fun, and less chaotic. The plot wasn't too confusing, I just wish I didn't feel like I had to hang on to every single word or I risked the chance of being lost. Calypso was definitely a 'what the fuck' no matter what the final explanation is (if she was going to choose to not give a fuck about either side in the end, then why was she hyped up so much?) The ending is satisfactory to me, doesn't try to do too much, Jack what's her face are married and love each other, but not the traditional love ending. Jack's still being Jack, and Barbossa just kicks absolute ass. Rush was awesome. And I can't get over Nighy as Davey Jones either. Just a fantastic character to look at and to listen to on screen (although I don't feel as if he was done enough justice in this film, I would've liked him to live and maybe see a turnaround). The movie didn't drag, but Depp's opening scene...I just didn't get why it was there, and what it was meant for...Not funny enough to be comical, not explanatory enough to explain anything new, it was just there. But overall, much better than DMC, and a whole lot more fulfilling.

8/10