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I have one question, I wanted to ask you (and all others whot think Eastwood won't go empty-handed) before: You say, Eastwood isn't likely to win Best Actor, so - to give him something - they award him Best Director. That would be a logical saying if the voters were the same. The acting award is voted on by completely different members of AMPAS than the director award. So they won't say I give Clint this since he is not getting that, because they have only to choose one category...
I admit Clint's chances have risen A LOT by winning the DGA, but the empty-handed argument just isn't one.


But the "Director" voters will most likely know that Eastwood won't get Best Actor (considering how much of a frontrunner Foxx is) and therefore vote for Eastwood as Best Director. Furthermore, they might vote for Eastwood simply because he is more deserving this year... :-k


As I pointed out several times Eastwood is not more deserving as a director this year, his project was far easier to shoulder. If there is gonna be a split it should be M$B for Best Picture and Aviator for director


I did not say that I think Eastwood is more deserving, but I suggest that Academym Members might think that. Not only because of the great work he did on Million Dollar Baby, but much rather because he delivered it twice within one year. Now that is an achievement.

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I have one question, I wanted to ask you (and all others whot think Eastwood won't go empty-handed) before: You say, Eastwood isn't likely to win Best Actor, so - to give him something - they award him Best Director. That would be a logical saying if the voters were the same. The acting award is voted on by completely different members of AMPAS than the director award. So they won't say I give Clint this since he is not getting that, because they have only to choose one category...
I admit Clint's chances have risen A LOT by winning the DGA, but the empty-handed argument just isn't one.


But the "Director" voters will most likely know that Eastwood won't get Best Actor (considering how much of a frontrunner Foxx is) and therefore vote for Eastwood as Best Director. Furthermore, they might vote for Eastwood simply because he is more deserving this year... :-k


As I pointed out several times Eastwood is not more deserving as a director this year, his project was far easier to shoulder. If there is gonna be a split it should be M$B for Best Picture and Aviator for director


I did not say that I think Eastwood is more deserving, but I suggest that Academym Members might think that. Not only because of the great work he did on Million Dollar Baby, but much rather because he delivered it twice within one year. Now that is an achievement.


I guess that argument applies to PJ as well.


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I have one question, I wanted to ask you (and all others whot think Eastwood won't go empty-handed) before: You say, Eastwood isn't likely to win Best Actor, so - to give him something - they award him Best Director. That would be a logical saying if the voters were the same. The acting award is voted on by completely different members of AMPAS than the director award. So they won't say I give Clint this since he is not getting that, because they have only to choose one category...
I admit Clint's chances have risen A LOT by winning the DGA, but the empty-handed argument just isn't one.


But the "Director" voters will most likely know that Eastwood won't get Best Actor (considering how much of a frontrunner Foxx is) and therefore vote for Eastwood as Best Director. Furthermore, they might vote for Eastwood simply because he is more deserving this year... :-k


As I pointed out several times Eastwood is not more deserving as a director this year, his project was far easier to shoulder. If there is gonna be a split it should be M$B for Best Picture and Aviator for director


I did not say that I think Eastwood is more deserving, but I suggest that Academym Members might think that. Not only because of the great work he did on Million Dollar Baby, but much rather because he delivered it twice within one year. Now that is an achievement.


I guess that argument applies to PJ as well.


Well, he won, right? ;)

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Well, he won, right? ;)


Yeah. :-k

Fuck it, he should of won for Fellowship too.


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In reading the following, it seems you are really swinging this award very close. Look at what I bolded - he has the most going for him, chances are we will see him on the platform but I sense an upset. Yes you are really spliting this.

Before tonight, I pointed out in the DGA thread that Scorcese is 0 for about 12 on the Oscar and DGA. I never saw him over Eastwood.

And now with CLINT getting the DGA award and now Scorcese is 0 for 13, do you still agree with all of the bold esp chances are ............


Martin Scorcese (The Aviator) - Scorcese is the definition of "overdue" in this category. There were few people who didn't expect him to win for Gangs of New York back in 2003. Everyone expected a Best Picture/Best Director split. This split happened, only that the Oscar went to Roman Polanski instead of Scorcese. The Aviator garnered Scorcese his fifth nomination and he is certainly the frontrunner in the category at the moment. He has also scored many awards for his directing in The Aviator so far and seemed unbeatable until Eastwood got the Golden Globe for Million Dollar Baby. Of course, you can explain it by saying thet Scorcese has already won the Golden Globe for Gangs of New York two years ago while Eastwood lost to Return of the King last year. Nonetheless, this win has shown that Scorcese is not absolutely unbeatable. Chances are very high that we'll see Scorcese on the stage at this year's Oscars, but he is not a lock yet. I am certain that The Aviator is a lock for at least Best Director or Best Picture, but it is not a lock for both and something tells me that The Aviator will win Best Picture due to the many things. It is a movie about the 30s in Hollywood, the golden era, it portrays many of Hollywood legends. Considering that Hollywood people are the ones voting, it's hard to imagine them not voting The Aviator as Best Picture. Therefore, I see its Best Picture status as a more certain thing than its Best Director chances. I won't deny it, Scorcese has the most going for it, but I sense an upset here.


What is there to disagree with? I am sure most will still say that Scorcese has more going for him? So what? I still predict Eastwood to take it home, now even moreso, after the DGA win.


Look at what I bolded in red = about the point that the chances are very high we will see Scorcese on stage but it is not a lock. That statement seems to apply that Scorcese is about 90 % sure of winning.

That statement just seems out of place = So I am curious with the above statement, what kind of % would you give Scorcese of being on stage. It must be very high as the chances are that we will see him on stage.

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Goldie wrote:
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In reading the following, it seems you are really swinging this award very close. Look at what I bolded - he has the most going for him, chances are we will see him on the platform but I sense an upset. Yes you are really spliting this.

Before tonight, I pointed out in the DGA thread that Scorcese is 0 for about 12 on the Oscar and DGA. I never saw him over Eastwood.

And now with CLINT getting the DGA award and now Scorcese is 0 for 13, do you still agree with all of the bold esp chances are ............


Martin Scorcese (The Aviator) - Scorcese is the definition of "overdue" in this category. There were few people who didn't expect him to win for Gangs of New York back in 2003. Everyone expected a Best Picture/Best Director split. This split happened, only that the Oscar went to Roman Polanski instead of Scorcese. The Aviator garnered Scorcese his fifth nomination and he is certainly the frontrunner in the category at the moment. He has also scored many awards for his directing in The Aviator so far and seemed unbeatable until Eastwood got the Golden Globe for Million Dollar Baby. Of course, you can explain it by saying thet Scorcese has already won the Golden Globe for Gangs of New York two years ago while Eastwood lost to Return of the King last year. Nonetheless, this win has shown that Scorcese is not absolutely unbeatable. Chances are very high that we'll see Scorcese on the stage at this year's Oscars, but he is not a lock yet. I am certain that The Aviator is a lock for at least Best Director or Best Picture, but it is not a lock for both and something tells me that The Aviator will win Best Picture due to the many things. It is a movie about the 30s in Hollywood, the golden era, it portrays many of Hollywood legends. Considering that Hollywood people are the ones voting, it's hard to imagine them not voting The Aviator as Best Picture. Therefore, I see its Best Picture status as a more certain thing than its Best Director chances. I won't deny it, Scorcese has the most going for it, but I sense an upset here.


What is there to disagree with? I am sure most will still say that Scorcese has more going for him? So what? I still predict Eastwood to take it home, now even moreso, after the DGA win.


Look at what I bolded in red = about the point that the chances are very high we will see Scorcese on stage but it is not a lock. That statement seems to apply that Scorcese is about 90 % sure of winning.

That statement just seems out of place = So I am curious with the above statement, what kind of % would you give Scorcese of being on stage. It must be very high as the chances are that we will see him on stage.


Um, it's not predicting movies, there is no percentage to determine. Yes it is more likely that Scorcese to win because he simply has more going for him. A lock however means that he will definitely win, 100%. But that is not the case for him. I've been making the bold statement that Eastwood will win it for quite some time now and the DGA has just proven it further to me. Which dosn't mean that I'll be surprised if Scorcese wins it. I just guess that he won't and I explained why in my analysis too.

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Great write-up! I agree on most of the awards, except Supporting Actress. I think that either Natalie or Clive will win, but they could both lose.


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Great write-up! I agree on most of the awards, except Supporting Actress. I think that either Natalie or Clive will win, but they could both lose.


Thank you. :D

Knowing your love for Closer, I tend to think it's wishful thinking ;)

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Great write-up! I agree on most of the awards, except Supporting Actress. I think that either Natalie or Clive will win, but they could both lose.


I also disagree with the Actress as Hillary Swank has too much going for her to lose. See the USA analysis.

Also on this statement - However, I promise you one thing and that is that if Depp gets nominated again anytime soon, he'll win.

I don't know how you can promise this because you never know of the situation, THE POLITICS or who he is up againist. Sorry, this is my biggest problem with Lecter, Lecter just making statements that aren't backed up properly.

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Great write-up! I agree on most of the awards, except Supporting Actress. I think that either Natalie or Clive will win, but they could both lose.


I also disagree with the Actress as Hillary Swank has too much going for her to lose. See the USA analysis.

Also on this statement - However, I promise you one thing and that is that if Depp gets nominated again anytime soon, he'll win.

I don't know how you can promise this because you never know of the situation, THE POLITICS or who he is up againist. Sorry, this is my biggest problem with Lecter, Lecter just making statements that aren't backed up properly.


And yet, my worst statement is miles better than your best. Isn't that sad?

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I'm stunned at your eloquent output Mr. Artur. Really a very nice and profound analysis everyone could be proud of. W00t on!

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I'm stunned at your eloquent output Mr. Artur. Really a very nice and profound analysis everyone could be proud of. W00t on!


He's not as eloquent as Goldie... :mad: :???: [-X


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Dr. Lecter wrote:
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Great write-up! I agree on most of the awards, except Supporting Actress. I think that either Natalie or Clive will win, but they could both lose.


Thank you. :D

Knowing your love for Closer, I tend to think it's wishful thinking ;)


Haha...might be. (probably is) But you gotta admit Clive has a great chance of winning. Natalie I'm not so sure about. I think she should win, but she's up against tough competition.


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Great write-up! I agree on most of the awards, except Supporting Actress. I think that either Natalie or Clive will win, but they could both lose.


I also disagree with the Actress as Hillary Swank has too much going for her to lose. See the USA analysis.

Also on this statement - However, I promise you one thing and that is that if Depp gets nominated again anytime soon, he'll win.

I don't know how you can promise this because you never know of the situation, THE POLITICS or who he is up againist. Sorry, this is my biggest problem with Lecter, Lecter just making statements that aren't backed up properly.


And yet, my worst statement is miles better than your best. Isn't that sad?


Ok Lecter keep living in your delusional world. And no retort to your Depp comment above. But that is because there is none.

And here is a statement you can try to beat by a mile.

I don't blame you for your uneducated comments - as how can you see clearly when you head is stuck so far up your ass.

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Chris wrote:
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Great write-up! I agree on most of the awards, except Supporting Actress. I think that either Natalie or Clive will win, but they could both lose.


Thank you. :D

Knowing your love for Closer, I tend to think it's wishful thinking ;)


Haha...might be.[size](probably is)[/size] But you gotta admit Clive has a great chance of winning. Natalie I'm not so sure about. I think she should win, but she's up against tough competition.


If Closer at least got a Best Adapted Screenplay nomination, I'd give them more chances, but it seems as if the Academy really didn't like Closer much. Also Natalie as well as Owen have the thing going against him that they are both first-time nominees (unlike Blanchett) and are young (unlike Freman).

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See...the Academy doesn't have a "policy". I don't think voters cast their ballot based on who's won in the past unless they ARE overdue. So, I don't think Swank will lose because she doesn't deserve to be on a list with all of those other actresses. If she does lose, it'll be because of strong support for Staunton or the belief that Bening is, in fact, overdue.

Good article, though. Check your PM later ;)


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If I ever had any doubts about Academy having a policy, then all these doubts faded away when ROTK won 11 Oscars last year, in a perfect sweep. I am not trying to downplay ROTK, I'd have given it Best Picture and Best Director as well, but certainly not all 11 Oscars which obviously was a payoff for under-awarding the previous installments of the series.

Another decisions by the Academy that I think were caused by a certain policy were Denzel Washington winning for Training Day (they wouldn't give it to Crowe two years in a row), Russell Crowe winning for Gladiator over Tom Hanks (because the Academy wouldn't want Hanks to have three Oscars already)... These are arguable, of course.

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If I ever had any doubts about Academy having a policy, then all these doubts faded away when ROTK won 11 Oscars last year, in a perfect sweep. I am not trying to downplay ROTK, I'd have given it Best Picture and Best Director as well, but certainly not all 11 Oscars which obviously was a payoff for under-awarding the previous installments of the series.

Another decisions by the Academy that I think were caused by a certain policy were Denzel Washington winning for Training Day (they wouldn't give it to Crowe two years in a row), Russell Crowe winning for Gladiator over Tom Hanks (because the Academy wouldn't want Hanks to have three Oscars already)... These are arguable, of course.


Sorry Lecter but maybe ROTK won all of those Oscars because it was brilliant - just checking did you see it or are you basing your comments without seeing it.

And Denzil Washington is considered one of the greatest and most liked actors, why is it not possible that he earned that Oscar.

Again, are you using your politics agrument over the performance on-screeen.

It is hard to go back and talk about the rest of your arguments as of course you didn't mention the movies - hey to hell with the facts.

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And Denzil Washington is considered one of the greatest and most liked actors, why is it not possible that he earned that Oscar.



He is an amazing actor and no one would deny that. However, his performance compared to Crowe's in A Beautiful Mind pales. It was a good performance, but not the best by Washington by far. It was worse than his Hurricane performance which he lost for. However, Training Day offered a great opportunity to award him. You can see it either way. He was awarded because the Academy didn't consider Crowe worthy of two Oscars in a row (only three actors have managed that so far) or because they thought he finally deserved an Oscar for a lead performance (he already had supporting). Both, in the end, are just politics and you are in a vast minority here who doesn't believe in Academy politics.

As for ROTK, even most LOTR fans will agree that it was not deserving of all eleven Oscars it has won.

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Great write-up! I agree on most of the awards, except Supporting Actress. I think that either Natalie or Clive will win, but they could both lose.


Thank you. :D

Knowing your love for Closer, I tend to think it's wishful thinking ;)


Haha...might be.[size](probably is)[/size] But you gotta admit Clive has a great chance of winning. Natalie I'm not so sure about. I think she should win, but she's up against tough competition.


If Closer at least got a Best Adapted Screenplay nomination, I'd give them more chances, but it seems as if the Academy really didn't like Closer much. Also Natalie as well as Owen have the thing going against him that they are both first-time nominees (unlike Blanchett) and are young (unlike Freman).


Marcia Gay Harden, James Coburn, Jennifer Connelly, Jim Broadbent, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Chris Cooper, Benicio Del Toro, Angelina Jolie, Kim Basinger, Cuba Gooding, Jr., Juliette Binoche, Mira Sorvino and Kevin Spacey all won supporting Oscars on their first nomination. (And that is just from the past 10 years). I'm not saying it'll necesarilly play in their favor, because Freeman and Blanchett have great shots at winning, but it could. :wink:


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Great write-up! I agree on most of the awards, except Supporting Actress. I think that either Natalie or Clive will win, but they could both lose.


Thank you. :D

Knowing your love for Closer, I tend to think it's wishful thinking ;)


Haha...might be.[size](probably is)[/size] But you gotta admit Clive has a great chance of winning. Natalie I'm not so sure about. I think she should win, but she's up against tough competition.


If Closer at least got a Best Adapted Screenplay nomination, I'd give them more chances, but it seems as if the Academy really didn't like Closer much. Also Natalie as well as Owen have the thing going against him that they are both first-time nominees (unlike Blanchett) and are young (unlike Freman).


Marcia Gay Harden, James Coburn, Jennifer Connelly, Jim Broadbent, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Chris Cooper, Benicio Del Toro, Angelina Jolie, Kim Basinger, Cuba Gooding, Jr., Juliette Binoche, Mira Sorvino and Kevin Spacey all won supporting Oscars on their first nomination. (And that is just from the past 10 years). I'm not saying it'll necesarilly play in their favor, because Freeman and Blanchett have great shots at winning, but it could. :wink:


Most of those actors were either old OR thy won for movies that got multiple oscar nominations ;) Of course, there are always exceptions, but I'd also have to admit that the SAG snub hurt their chances as well. But, hey, if they win, I won't complain.

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Great write-up! I agree on most of the awards, except Supporting Actress. I think that either Natalie or Clive will win, but they could both lose.


Thank you. :D

Knowing your love for Closer, I tend to think it's wishful thinking ;)


Haha...might be.[size](probably is)[/size] But you gotta admit Clive has a great chance of winning. Natalie I'm not so sure about. I think she should win, but she's up against tough competition.


If Closer at least got a Best Adapted Screenplay nomination, I'd give them more chances, but it seems as if the Academy really didn't like Closer much. Also Natalie as well as Owen have the thing going against him that they are both first-time nominees (unlike Blanchett) and are young (unlike Freman).


Marcia Gay Harden, James Coburn, Jennifer Connelly, Jim Broadbent, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Chris Cooper, Benicio Del Toro, Angelina Jolie, Kim Basinger, Cuba Gooding, Jr., Juliette Binoche, Mira Sorvino and Kevin Spacey all won supporting Oscars on their first nomination. (And that is just from the past 10 years). I'm not saying it'll necesarilly play in their favor, because Freeman and Blanchett have great shots at winning, but it could. :wink:


Most of those actors were either old OR thy won for movies that got multiple oscar nominations ;) Of course, there are always exceptions, but I'd also have to admit that the SAG snub hurt their chances as well. But, hey, if they win, I won't complain.


lol...best thing I've read all day! :rofl:

The SAG snub did hurt their chances, I'll admit, and the Academy doesn't seem to like Closer very much, but meh, what will you do? I'll be happy if either Freeman/Church/Owen or Blanchett/Madsen/Portman win. I liked all three performances, and Blanchett deserves one because of Elizabeth, if nothing else.


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On ROTK, aren't most of those 11 voted on by different people and groups. So each group individually thought it was the best movie to win in that category.

Also to back up your argument better, which category was it undeserving of winning and what should have been the winner.

You can't just say that it was undeserving, you have to have a better winner where ROTK should have lost.

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On ROTK, aren't most of those 11 voted on by different people and groups. So each group individually thought it was the best movie to win in that category.

Also to back up your argument better, which category was it undeserving of winning and what should have been the winner.

You can't just say that it was undeserving, you have to have a better winner where ROTK should have lost.


Let me think..... Editing is a good example, I am certain quite a couple will agree with me here. Screenplay is another good example.

Costumes as well in my opinion, but that is arguable.

The Academy didn't award ROTK, the Academy awarded the LOTR Trilogy (which is fine by me, but it shouldn't be denied)

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If I ever had any doubts about Academy having a policy, then all these doubts faded away when ROTK won 11 Oscars last year, in a perfect sweep. I am not trying to downplay ROTK, I'd have given it Best Picture and Best Director as well, but certainly not all 11 Oscars which obviously was a payoff for under-awarding the previous installments of the series.

Another decisions by the Academy that I think were caused by a certain policy were Denzel Washington winning for Training Day (they wouldn't give it to Crowe two years in a row), Russell Crowe winning for Gladiator over Tom Hanks (because the Academy wouldn't want Hanks to have three Oscars already)... These are arguable, of course.


Sorry Lecter but maybe ROTK won all of those Oscars because it was brilliant - just checking did you see it or are you basing your comments without seeing it.

And Denzil Washington is considered one of the greatest and most liked actors, why is it not possible that he earned that Oscar.

Again, are you using your politics agrument over the performance on-screeen.

It is hard to go back and talk about the rest of your arguments as of course you didn't mention the movies - hey to hell with the facts.



Sorry, but Lecter is totally correct on this one. This is how the academy works. They always give out pity oscars. You don't have to look at ROTK, just look at the Oscars. Russell Crowe won for Gladiator the year after he should have won for The Insider. Denzel won for Training Day the year after he should have won for Hurricane. The "he is due"-factor is the biggest influence on Oscar voting (with Marty being the only exception it seems :wink: )


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