Now I haven't seen this film yet, but I've read nothing but Gushing reviews of it and how it's the Best Movie of the Year and whatnot, but I've also read where there are folks offended by this movie because of the sudden turn it takes toward the end of the film involving the subject of "SPOILER IN WHITE TEXT": Assisted Suicide and there are people saying that Eastwood deliberately mislead people on this film as a result of it and are boycotting it from winning BEST PICTURE much less a Nomination for it and I have to ask: Why??? What's the big damn deal with Clint Eastwood throwing a sudden turn in this film toward the end and why people and critics are making such a dumbass fuss over it??? Why??? I mean, is the subject of the sudden turn in this film REALLY that big of a deal??? If I were in a position like this in the film, then I would not want to suffer and why would anyone else??? It's a persons choice and I just don't get the backlash over this and to me, it's blowing the whole thing out of proportion for what appears to be a very well made movie... Discuss.. :???:

BKB, it's best to mark your thread title with spoilers here, so nobody reads your post.

I couldn't possibly give a movie a better recommendation, and I think you should go see it, because I'd love to read your review. It's one of the best movies I've ever seen, and may well be the most powerful.

I have no idea why anybody would bitch about the subject matter, but it's probably just a case of boredom on their parts. The movie is simply incredible! A Masterpiece! It's Mystic River quality, but even better. Do yourself a favor, and go see what great filmmaking is all about. You won't be sorry that you saw it.

I completely agree.

As for all this about the twist in the movie.... first off I have never even heard about any news over this. Second, you want controversy this year, talk about Passion, Fahrnheit 9/11, or even Vera Drake. Third, those who haven't seen this movie shouldn't even know about this. It kinda gives the movie away.

MY VIRGIN EYES!!!!!

How come no warning? HUH?!

You just ruined the movie for me... and for that I shall sue you. $1,000,000,000!!!!!

YOU BETTER BE ABLE TO PAY UP!

Jesus Christ!!! You people and all these SPOILER Tags when I just put it in WHITE TEXT not giving it away are driving me nuts with this... You'd have to highlight it to spoil it for you and that's by choice folks.. It's not like I'm deliberately trying to spoil it and if I were, I would just flat out blurt it out like I did for HIDE and SEEK which was also posted in WHITE TEXT and I still got hammered for doing that..

I put it in WHITE TEXT and the only way to be Spoiled by it is to Highlight the White text and by doing that, that is the individuals choice in doing so, not mine.. Hell, I even put Quote: "SPOILERS IN WHITE TEXT" in my post about it.. That folks is warning enough..

Well, the white text is cool, but the post does give away hints of stuff, and if there was ever a movie that benefits from being clueless before watching it, it's Million Dollar baby.

Kind of reminds me of when "The Sixth Sense" came out and how if a person knew the Twist Ending and all, the movie would be ruined.. Is that really the case here with "Million Dollar Baby"??? It looks from the previews like ROCKY with a woman.. Same setup, same style and same type of characters until the dreaded twist turn Eastwood takes.. True???

A little bit of Rocky, a little bit of Shawshank Redemption, and a punch that nobody will see coming, unless they read threads that aren't marked with spoilers, and know to expect a twist.

It really is the kind of thing that could lessen the impact of that first viewing. I didn't read any spoilers or reviews on this before I saw it, because I had heard there was something that happened that took the movie to a rare level, and I didn't want to have any hints or ideas about it.

Seriously, BKB, go see this masterpiece of a film. You'll understand what all the hype is about as you sit in stunned silence while the credits roll.

Here's an article about it.

http://www.chireader.com/hottype/index.html

OK, You know what?? SPOILERS IN MY REPLY AND FOR THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED, MOVE ON FROM MY REPLY HERE NOW.. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED..
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[b]I've read the article and I've read this so called SHOCKING TWIST That will supposedly blow you away and all I have to say is 2 Words: CHRISTOPHER REEVE... That's right.. CHRISTOPHER REEVE and ask yourself whether you would want to remain like this in this state for the rest of your life, unable to move, unable to feel, unable to do anything and why shouldn't a person have the right to move on into the Afterlife where there is no pain, no suffering, nothing but Bliss and happiness instead of in this world, this realm where your fucking miserable for the rest of your life??? As a matter of fact, When Reeve had that Horse Riding accident, the Doctors should've let him go instead of turning him into the Equivalence of Commander Pike from STAR TREK where he was nothing more than a talking head with no feeling.. Fuck these protestors and all there whining about what's right ansd whatnot.. There not in the position of Reeve or this chick in Eastwoods film and this is all nothing more than a smokescreen to find some fault in the premise.. I say BOO HOO to these Protestors.. Oh and before people around here start ragging on me about giving away too much or hinting at it?? All you have to do is click on this link you've provided and they'll get the point of this so called GUARDED SECRET in this film.. Honest to God, I'm definitely not trying to spoil this film, but when I clikced on the link you put up Mav and read that article?? It pissed me off to no end and it is selfish of these people to keep someone alive like that when there clearly suffering and aren't in a position to feel what this person is going through.. Pardon me now, but I sense a big topic of this on it's way to "The Water Cooler" Forum..[/b]

I didn't see the twist coming but the foreshadowing was laid on pretty thick with the German boxer.

I haven't read or heard about the controversy BKB. Most people would do the same thing Frankie did in his situation. [/code]

This ridiculous controversey and mud-slinging that insane right-wingers are throwing at this movie's direction is ridiculous, but not unexpected. In years past, Oscar contenders such as The Hurricane and A Beautiful Mind had plenty of crap thrown in their direction, for one reason or another. It's just what seems to happen in the business, unfortunately.

The controversy with A Beautiful Mind was ugly and without merit.

The controversy was without merit, but the issues it brought up were real. It doesn't mean that A Beautiful Mind, Hurricane, Million Dollar Baby, etc. should be condemned, if anything Million Dollar Baby, Vera Drake, Maria Full of Grace, Fahrenheit 9/11, etc. should be interesting looks and opinions of real issues going on in our world today. They should be used to build bridges and create discussion.

(I wouldn't qualify The Passion as one of these films, The Passion's aim was to evangelize, convert and coddle. The picture and production itself are more interesting in respects to the controversy than the actual story)

Personally while I think A Beautiful Mind is a pretty good movie, excellent performances by Crowe and one of the best scores of the new century, its glossing over of the man's real life in favor of an easier story and the really light take on the issues of scizophrenia (which effects members of my extended family, so I know...) is kind of comical to me.

scroll over (spoilers): I really haven't read anything about right-wingers bashing the film. Does it have to do with the character that ends up assisting Maggie - the religious Eastwood? If this (and the issue of assisted suicide) is the case, let's keep in mind that right-wingers advocate capital punishment more than the left does...And, if the religious nut cases are offended by the film AND claim that Frankie's actions aren't the actions a true Christian would take, it makes it seem as if they think ALL Christians hold the same belief and disagreement can't exist b/w humans. This portrays them as inflexible more than anything. And, considering that not all churches are against the right to an abortion and not ALL Christians agree on ALL thing, I don't think they should be ultimately offended by the choice of a being.
If they aren't offended by the portrayal of religion, what is it? I don't think right-wingers are the ONLY group against assisted suicide... While this ending does twist the film (and, it's obvious that there's a point Eastwood's trying to make and it's fairly extreme) and some might argue that it portrays it in a good light, the right-wingers shouldn't bash the movie as being derogatory towards Catholics. If their school of thought differs, then why can't they just let the film be and worry about making their own views clear?

I just don't understand why the right-wingers would be "morally offended" by the topic at hand where as the left-wingers aren't making a fuss about it...While it is creepy and the message certaintly isn't subtle, I think Eastwood MIGHT be suggesting something else and the film is more of a dreamy picture meant to make audiences think about the issue and edge them towards the side opposite of that of the characters. I might be wrong as I do need to think about it a bit more...

Alas, this might be a bit more warranted than that of A Beautiful Mind. There's not enough room in such a film (and biography) to expand on everything and, while the Nazi issue could warp the image the audience has of Nash, I don't think the film makes the audience sympathetic for Nash in general, but more so appreciative of his mind and sympathetic for ALL schizophrenics. If the Nazi rumors are true, maybe the title's in question. A Sick Mind might be more like it...

Still. People might not agree with the opinion of a director and perhaps how he pushes for it, but does that prevent it from being a GOOD movie? A good movie tends to be well-rounded, and, in this case, M$B is. It's a well-made product that deserves the attention it's gotten.

If the Passion were a good film, I wouldn't mind an Oscar nominee (okay. Maybe I would. But I'd be more worried about the future of the film while the Jewish population diminishes, as it has been). But, considering the goal of the film to get audiences emotional over the subject, I'd say it wasn't well-made. The emotion wasn't felt, it was abrasively pushed by using certain techniques. Which is why I don't mind the technical nominees...

I heard that the same thing is true of Finding Neverland, no? That Depp's character really was more interested in the boys than in the widow.


Films are fictional accounts at best; there is no truth contained in them beyond the bare facts, and even the bare facts are not always accounted for.

haha...that's why I didn't post that link in any other threads. If anybody actually clicked on a link that discusses the controversy of the film's twist ending, then they deserve to be spoiled.

Trust me, I get sick of people reading threads that their common sense should tell them not to, only to see them whine about being spoiled. They need to stay away from movie forums and threads discussing the movie, if that's what they really want, so I don't feel sorry for them. I was responsible enough not to read about M$B.

I still would have edited in the word spoilers at the very beginning of your first post, just to avoid having to deal with people that don't know how to think before clicking. #-o

I find it silly that some right wing people are protesting this film.
And i also find some left wing people are hipocryts,they critisize(some of them)people(right wing people)of bashing M$B when last year they(some of them)were doing the same thing to TPOTC.

Um...neo,

left-wingers weren't the ONLY ones bashing TPOTC. But, the fact remains, TPOTC is a MUCH more controversial film. Sure, M$B has its little issue, but most people aren't taking it the way the extreme right-wingers are. Plus, you do realize how strange it'd be for left-wingers to go against freedom of speech while advocating (if they even do, which is where I think the right-wingers have it partly wrong) the issue in M$B. It'd make no sense.

But, besides, both groups have reason. The Passion bashers felt strongly on the subject - some didn't want to be blamed for an issue that happened oh so long ago (which is my main problem with the film - Gibson hiding certain lines in the film to cover up the transgenerational guilt message) - and M$B bashers feel strongly on the ending/political issue. I don't think Eastwood SHOULD be left off the hook, I just think ignoring the accomplishment and automatically disliking it BECAUSE of the political message (or, not being able to appreciate it, I guess) is wrong. I see more hypocrisy in the right-wing argument, though, considering their own beliefs.

He took the subtitles and audio of those words out and openly said he did,he didnt secretly take those scenes out.And that verse is actually in the gospel.

Anyway,my point is that both sides are the same in my eyes.They will protest anything that is not part of their values.

But, neo.

Do you really think it makes much sense for "left-wingers" to bash the Passion and prevent its release but advocate rights allowing people to assist in suicide?. It makes no sense. Preventing a movie's release goes against the 1st amendment and it wouldn't make much sense for the lefters (or, my party ) to agree with one personal freedom but not agree with the other (well...if it's the magnitude of freedom of speech).

Random people went against Passion. But no BIG political group did.

The New York times columnist Frank Rish and A.O Scott did what Michael Medev and Rush limbaugh are doing to Million Dollar Baby.John Kerry even took a shot at TPOTC.Then you had Rooney on 60 minutes saying tha Gibson and the fans of the film were crazy people.

Right-wingers are bashing Eastwood's "supposed" stance because it goes against their own platform. But, The Passion DIDN'T go against the left-wing platform - it just so happens that the Christians were more in favor of the film (doh!) than the eclectic mix of cultures on the left! :razz:

I just don't think you can say that the left-wing was Anti-Passion. I think more people on the left were worried about the effect the film would have.

After all, what's IN the Passion that goes against the left-wing platform? Blaming Jews? I'm just saying - a lot of people on the left bashed The Passion because of it's portrayal, but I don't think it had anything to do with the stance they take but more so the fact that since we're ALWAYS pitting the two sides against each other and the right-wing has a bigger representation of Christians, it seemed as if, since "A" didn't equal "C", the opposite of "A" ("B") equaled "C". Or, humans were eager to say a certain party was Anti-Passion and the left-wingers got credited with it only because the right-wingers mostly supported it.

I don't recall MANY people who wanted it banned from theatres, though. Frankly, had Foxxman not made a big fuss about it (my aunt, who works for the ADL, even agrees with me and blames him ), the movie wouldn't have sparked as much controversy.

Torrino,im not saying the left in general bashed TPOTC,im saying that some just bashed it unfairly because quite frankly they are securlist assholes who always bash anything christian.The columnist i mentioned didnt say in their articles that they were worried of what would happen,they just down right blasted Gibson because of his strong faith and blasted many other christians who they call jesus freaks.The articles got down right personal,even most of the time not talking about the film but just talking shit about gibson.Al Franklin on his radio show ridiculed christians who supported the film and blasted gibson.They are no diffrent from these right wing assholes who protest everything also.