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What grade would you give this film?
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ah! cool! but... in Batman & Robin, was Alicia Silverstone's Batgirl alterego Barbara Gordon?


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ah! cool! but... in Batman & Robin, was Alicia Silverstone's Batgirl alterego Barbara Gordon?


They made Batgirl in that movie as Alfred's niece.

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This film had far more comedy than BB, it's actually not even close. BB had corny one-liners, this had the freakin Joker who was funny no matter how sadistic he was....every scene with him had a smile on my face.

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Had it not been for Bales batman voice going off the deep end and bat sonar, this would get the masterpiece approval from me.

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I love his Batman voice.

And I thought the Bat Sonar was great, something necessary that the first film lacked.

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Had it not been for Bales batman voice going off the deep end and bat sonar, this would get the masterpiece approval from me.


That are two weak reasons IMO. But whatever.

I've always loved Bales Batman voice and the bat-sonar was cool.


His voice was sick for the most part, but god damn that monologue to the Joker ("Gothammmmm just showed youuuuu it can stlllllll do gooooooood" or whatever he says) was cringeworthy. As for the Bat-sonar, they couldnt have thought of a more clever, detective esque way to have Batman find Mr. J's locoation?

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bumping for all to see...

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The good
-The acting across the board. EVERYBODY from Bale to the dude who plays Reese is superb.

-Heath. He gives an unforgettable performance, thats the only word that comes close to fitting him. Its UNSETTLING. DISTURBING. The way laughs, makes pencils dissappear, and says the silliest things but can suddenly switch to a violent, scary monster (his "LOOK AT ME!" to the fake Batman is literally how I imagine a monster would talk). The sceen in which he talks to the cop in his cell and escapes from jail :funny: :noway: ...give him the ****ing Oscar. His delivey of the ".....Hi...." to Dent in the hospital alone is worth it :thumbsup:

-Look and scale was enormous and I loved it. The film shoulda been titled GOTHAM CITY.

-The special effects are spectacular, cgi or real, it all looked REAL and blended together perfectly. Unlike BB, there were no obvious model or cgi shots.

-The story. The fact that it's simply BATMAN vs. JOKER and theres no real plan, just obstavle after obstacle, make the movie very engrossing.

-The writing. Joker at Gambol's is written-for the Joker- like it's for a comedy. Every line is quotable and Ledgers delivery is flawless. From "How about alive?" to "Why so serious" to "try outs"...it's so disturbing but yet....:funny:

The Bad
-Just when you started to LIKE and CARE about Rachel she gets blown up. This is more of aomcpliment to the writers, actors, and film makers, but how does Katie Holmes version walk away after taking out the scarecrow while Gyllenhall's is stuck talking into a radio before going kaboom?

-More importantly reguarding that topic, I think it coulda been shot more effectively. They let us know Joker switched the addresses too soon. I think it woulda been better for us to have seen 1 building blow up and see its the one Gordon's at (and assume Dent dead) while Batman disarms the bomb at Rachels building. Batman then stroll in and we find Dent, and we get TEH SHOCKING TWIST!!! RACHELS DEAD!!JOKER SWITCHED EM!!! SUCKS TO BE BATMAN (AGAIN)!!! Batman gets there and sees it Dent and not Rachel and doesnt even seem surprised AT ALL..if any of us were him, the first thing we'd say would be "WTF are YOU doing here?"... but again...Nolan and his overboard on realism....OF COURSE Batman would get there firsr and ruin it for the audience.

-Two face's death[was totally pointless. Period. I hate killing off[ villains, it selfish of the filmmakers to do. That said Batman was totally fine after the fall, but Dent DIED(?) so you never know...

-Bales Batman voice. MY GOD. Though he sounded like a boss when he says "Than you gonna love me" or is screaming at the Joker in his cell ...dude, that final monologue to the Joker. was fucking cringworthy..."THE PEOPLE OF GOTHAMMMMM.....JUST SHOWED YOUUUUUUU....THEY DO BELIEVE....IN GOOOOOOOOD" or whatever. Damn Bale, your acting was great for the most part the voice but enough.NOLAN, KNOW WHEN TO TELL HIM TO TONE IT THE FUCK DOWN!

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-Bat-sonar. That was just stupid. The whole "microwave emitter" has gotten old in BEGINS and this one was even stupider. If Batmans such a detective, why do the writers have to make up some stupid machine so he accomplish his mission? There are millions of ways-literally- for Batman to have outsmarted the Joker and discovered his wear about, but...whatever.

-The ending felt rushed. It was hard to tell was going on at first in the Joker's tower, and even all the tension in the world cant stop the final Batman-Gordon-Two face show down from being incredibly anti-climatic - Batman just tackles him off the 3rd story of the building and thats it? Two Face is dead and the movies over?

-Though the action scenes were improved, he still needs a lesson in creativity. I mean come on, the batpod debut wasnt nearly as cool as just about all of us imagined it being and the car chase wasnt as rousing as it looked in the trailers. There is so much potential yet Nolan doesnt really give it a chance breathe.

Still though..the acting is too strong, theres too much emotion and tension, and its damn well made to give anything other than an A though not an A+.

The good a lot better than the bad is bad, but I dont see how someone can say this is perfect. Its best picture wothy in the sense that its the involved Ive felt with character since NCFOM and before that I dont even know, but theres too many leaps of faith (How did Rachel and Batman survive that fall?? for resal please answer this! Or howd the Joker leave the party?)

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Fell short of perfection.

Fell short of my #1 of the year.

Fell short of what I wanted, which could've never been met.

But how much short? || that much.

9.8/10 A+

The one thing about this movie... The fact that we will never see a role played with such devotion, such passion and creativity as we did with Heath Ledger's Joker. Absolutely phenomenal. Unparalleled to almost every character I've seen on film. Stunningly brilliant.


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Lets see if this makes any sense...

Its easily a better film then Batman Begins....but I didnt really... ENJOY it as much. Its a 10/10 no doubt, hands down,

-Bale is absolutley superb. As is Gyllenhaal, but Eckhart NAILS Dent in a way I never thought he could. But of course, ledger totallty owns the show.

the magic track? the "you remind me of my father"...ledgers Joker is just such a goo nthat is frightening; he is capaible of anything. From the moment he barks at the fake batman in the video on the news after a series of giggles it goes from funny/scary to DISTURBING. Ledger fucking own, what is there to say?

That said...there are other things I think coulda been handled better:

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To me anyways, Rachels death did not have near the impact I expected it to. Gyllenhaals acting made the character very charming and sympathetic; however I was expecting something like this:
-batman and gordon head to the two locations. We see Rachel/Dent talking.
-Gordon place blows up first, and we all assume dents deasd.
-we see bats dissarmed the bomb and now goes for the rescue, only to find HARVEY...then who was in the building thaty we just blew up? TEH SHOCKING TWIST!!!

Instead it was made painfully obvious Rachel was gonna die even before they did and though it was sad, it coulda been a bit more shocking and therefore effective.


as found the ending to be a bit anticlimatic...

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Batman just appears outta nowhere and tackles two face off the thing...thats it? THATS IT for the character of TWO FACE????


but yeah, movie is sick.


Dude, you give the movie a 10/10 and say you didn't enjoy it?? :-k If you give the movie a perfect score like this, how the hell couldn't you have enjoyed this unless you hyped it up so much that your expectations weren't met, but should've been for the score your giving it?? From where I'm sitting, I think your almost afraid to give this thing any less than a perfect score for that matter alone..


OBV I enjoyed it; I am just saying I walked outta begins like "YES! That was SICK!" and after this one I was like "....Damn....thats good"

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I feel very badly for Christopher Nolan.

Why? Because the idea that he's going to have to try to one-up himself with whatever follows "The Dark Knight," especially without the assistance of Heath Ledger (and when I say assistance, I mean heavy-duty assistance), is more daunting a prospect than I could have imagined for the writer-director. Because as far as comic book movies go, I don't think it can get much better than "The Dark Knight."

Now, that isn't to say that there isn't a thing here or there that I would've personally tweaked, but so much of this film works beyond what you'd consider possible for a superhero movie, that even my all-time personal favorite, the wonderful "Spider-man 2," doesn't nearly live up to this bad boy.

We all knew that Heath Ledger's Joker was going to dominate this movie, and the effect of his performance is even stronger when you weigh in the fact that this is what he did just before his tragic death. However, I was so happy to discover that the movie never relied on Joker, just used him where he fit into the plot, letting us get just as good a dose of all the other characters as they deserved.

Christian Bale was again great as both Bruce Wayne and the Caped Crusader, handling his moral dilemmas very well and capturing the persona of Batman splendidly. Maggie Gyllenhaal was definitely an improvement over Katie Holmes, and with a far more demanding role this time around, I'm glad they didn't keep Katie, because it would've lessened the overall impact of the story involving her. Gary Oldman had much more to do this time around, and he never once fell out of his humane character, rising to the challenge. Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman were both very awesome, just being themselves on screen. What they do on-screen seems like a little but ultimately feels like a lot, because the father-ish figures they represent for Bruce are perfect for their acting styles.

And then of course there's Aaron Eckhart. I hear that originally Matt Damon was offered the role of Harvey Dent (he turned it down), and I think he could've been a truly outstanding character with someone of Damon's talent at the helm, but Eckhart still turned in a great performance as a two-faced character. However, a lot of his character's power comes not from his performance but from the wonderful writing and directing surrounding his character, because the implications of what happens to him will linger in your mind a lot longer than his solid performance.

What is awesome about the film's visuals is that while it is, at its core, a crime epic, the fact that it's Batman gives them so much more money to spend on creating a larger, bigger, better world for the events to take place in, featuring some of the coolest chase sequences I've ever seen. Also adding to the impact of the film is the use of sound, which is loud and bombastic where it should be, but quiet and eerie where the moment calls for it. Instead of composing some crazy-loud score for Joker, his "theme" consists of one simple note, that starts out quietly when we first see him, and ends with a noise that rattles the eardrums. When a movie's score contains metaphors for its characters, you know you're dealing with nothing less than a masterpiece.

And yes, Heath Ledger deserves to win Best Supporting Actor. And no, it doesn't have anything to do with whether he is alive or dead.

There's a difference between rewarding an actor for dying before he had the chance to give a great performance and rewarding one of the great performances in film history.

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as found the ending to be a bit anticlimatic...

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Batman just appears outta nowhere and tackles two face off the thing...thats it? THATS IT for the character of TWO FACE????
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It's not like a fist fight between the two would've resulted in anything good for Two-Face...unlike Joker, who gives the whole speech on why he uses a knife, which actually makes for an interesting fight with Batman, the only weapon Two-Face uses is his gun, so it's either he shoots and kills Batman or Batman takes him out immediately. A fight between the two would've either been pointless or a disappointment (or both).

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http://www.worldofkj.com/articleIndex.php?tid=31936

I just finished writing this at around 6am my time. Don't expect the most coherent thing you've ever read (not that most of my stuff is). There's a damn good chance I'll go back and edit some things. And there's probably a damn good chance that my opinion of the film will change with a second viewing. It's already happened once this year so it wouldn't surprise me if it happened again.

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as found the ending to be a bit anticlimatic...

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Batman just appears outta nowhere and tackles two face off the thing...thats it? THATS IT for the character of TWO FACE????
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It's not like a fist fight between the two would've resulted in anything good for Two-Face...unlike Joker, who gives the whole speech on why he uses a knife, which actually makes for an interesting fight with Batman, the only weapon Two-Face uses is his gun, so it's either he shoots and kills Batman or Batman takes him out immediately. A fight between the two would've either been pointless or a disappointment (or both).
And atleast his death wasn't due to quarters this time.


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Gosh when Joker said "Hiii" (while wearing the nurse's outfit) to Two Face, everyone burst out laughing. :lol:

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There's no easy way to describe Christopher Nolan's mind-blowing masterpiece without sounding like a crazed fan. But that's exactly what it is. Somehow, Nolan and his immensely talented cast and crew have managed to turn what could have been just another superhero movie into a thrilling, operatic example of pure movie magic. Everything about this film just works in ways that other films of its type do not. The story is incredibly compelling and fascinating, the characters are intricate and well-developed, the direction is brilliant - everything manages to fall into place. The performances in this film are utterly spectacular. All of the returning players from the first film are in top form. Christian Bale is amazing and delivers one of his finest performances to date, besting his already strong performance in Batman Begins. Michael Caine continues to shine as Alfred and brings a bit of a lighter touch to this dark film. Morgan Freeman and Gary Oldman aren't the centerpieces here, but both are great - especially the latter, who really comes into his own in the final act. The performances everyone will be talking about, however, are the new additions to the cast. Maggie Gyllenhaal replaces Katie Holmes from the first film here and does an utterly spectacular job. The character of Rachel Dawes went from being somewhat one-note to a lovable and well-developed heroine to root for. Aaron Eckhart is spellbinding as Harvey Dent, the doomed 'figure of hope' for Gotham City. The transition his character made near the end was shocking and honestly a bit chilling. But the real star of the show here is the late Heath Ledger, whose performance as the Joker is quite possibly one of the greatest performances of all time. Ledger is positively bone-chilling and really delves deep into the psyche of his character, creating an individual who is equally fascinating and terrifying. I was shocked at how chilling so many sequences with him were. This is the finest performance of Ledger's career by far and if he doesn't receive an Oscar nomination (and a win) for his performance come February there is no justice in this world. I loved all of the action sequences - they were so well-shot and exciting. And the score was great, I don't see why there are so many complaints about it. I absolutely loved the music that played whenever the Joker appeared - it reminded me a lot of Stanley Kubrick's The Shining and perfectly added to the atmosphere. I just can't recommend this film enough. Despite the long running time, I never wanted it to end - I was so engrossed, entertained, shocked and compelled by everything that was going on up onscreen. It's already skyrocketed to a position on my list of the greatest films of all time. You'd be crazy to miss this one. A+


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An instant classic. This is a flawless motion picture in every sense of the word - I can't see any other film topping it this year. And Heath Ledger's performance was one of the greatest in the history of cinema. A+


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An instant classic. This is a flawless motion picture in every sense of the word - I can't see any other film topping it this year. And Heath Ledger's performance was one of the greatest in the history of cinema. A+


Hyperbole much?



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I'm not exaggerating though. The last film I felt this strongly about and really screamed "instant classic" was The Diving Bell and the Butterfly last year.


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Well, yes, I would expect you to feel so strongly about films from year to year :)

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I'm not exaggerating though. The last film I felt this strongly about and really screamed "instant classic" was The Diving Bell and the Butterfly last year.


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You noob Arsi ... Two Face isn't dead ... he will come back!

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Um, it is a great film and better then Wall-E

However it is not the best film in years or one of the best films of all time.


It is a deep thoughtful, depressing story and it is not a film that entertains much.


However, there are two types of films.

Films that Entertain us (timepass) and films that intrigue and fascinate us, and I believe TDK falls in the latter.

The film had funny moments and great action scenes but it was heavy on talking. However this imo propelled the film to a whole new level which films like Spiderman could only dream off.


A great philosophical film and after watching it I am shocked it is doing so well. Dark, Depressing pictures usually don't go mainstream...


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All I meant is that he will have to formulate and re-formulate his views as he gets older, and that that process is necessary in order to prevent the kind of hyperbolization we just witnessed. It's a natural process, nothing wrong with it.

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