I don't know... I just thought Joker killing Gordon's entire family in rather brutal fashion was stepping way over the line into reprehensible territory.

And.. Here.. We...Go

The fight and action sequences are SO much better in this than in BB. In BB, it kind of felt like Iron Man where when it came to the big showdown climax, it came off as the weakest part of the film. This time, I thought it was the strongest... all of them just kicked all kind of ass. The car chases and escapes, the break ins, the showdowns. Just genuinely exciting and thrilling and AWESOME.

Additionally, the villains are stronger, the Rachel is stronger, the supporting acting is stronger, the plot is stronger, the pace is stronger, the special effects were as believable as any movie since T2... It's just a big improvement in just about every way.

No need to talk about Ledger, he's bril. I loved how they really got into what the Joker character's "motive", which is to be an agent of chaos. The dialogue between him and Batman in the interrogation scene and on the building at the end is so awesome. The greatest part of the performance is that he's believable. I mean with Jack, he's crazy and goofy and comes out like a larger than life movie character, but that's just it. With Ledger, he seems like a real guy, despite the insanity.

I also liked the emphasis on Dent throughout the story, his arc really brought the emotional punch to the film well and Eckhart did a great job.

I only have a couple issues

1) The first act with the mob deal with the chinese fellow, compared to once Joker really begins his run, the build-up of events just feel a little weak. To be honest in the first 30 minutes I was beginning to feel I was going to be hugely let down by the film like BB, but of course things turned around. It's also just a little suspicious that nobody put together the pieces that Batman just happened to be in China at the same time as Bruce. But whatev.

2) Batman can't kill Joker, but he can Dent. Unless he could only grab a hold of the boy... but still, he must've foreseen "I'm pushing him off a ledge". That is unless he felt a freakish connection to Joker and resented Dent for having Rachel... but I dunno.

Oh, and this isn't a flaw, but rather something I missed. When he runs off after the interrogation sequence, he yells out that he's going after Rachel but then saves Dent, and Gordon ends up at Rachel's place. Did the Joker tell him the opposite address, or did he really yell out to Gordon to save Rachel? I might've missed his exact words.

Great movie... at least as good as X2, which is high praise, because I love X2.

4.5/5

This. Was. Amazing.

I agree with Loyal that it's seriously amazing that a film so dark, so cruel, so nihilistic could become an event movie, but it did. And it was AMAZING.

It's hard to put into words what I found so amazing about this without making it feel so obvious, and Nolan's moral meditations here certainly aren't subtle, but in a way it fits, when you consider the villain of the story. The Joker is a cruel, theatrical man, and he takes complete joy in rubbing it in his victims' faces when they're faced with a choice. That whole sequence with the two ferry boats, I don't think I've such a nervewreck sine I first saw Children of Men. And Baba makes an excellent point about how even though their choice to not blow each other up crushes The Joker, the events inside STILL didn't paint a very lovely picture of their humanity.

Batman Begins is one of my very favorite movies, and my favorite major Hollywood productio from this decade. This completely blows it away. I'm gonna have to think about this.

****

He told him the opposite.

He knew Batman would save Rachel... and Joker wanted Dent alive.

Heath Ledger's Joker was by far and away the highlight of the movie, and Maggie G was a massive jump in quality over Katie Holmes.

I do miss the comic book style to Tim Burton's version of Batman, but I did like some of the more realistic touches to this movie... like Two Face's and the Joker's appearances. However, ultimately I'd rather have that comic book feel to Gotham City... instead it just feels like a modern day New York City.

As with every Superhero movie lately, I felt it was a little too long. Why does every Superhero movie feel it has to be 3 hours long lately? LOTR has ruined everything! Why can't I get a decent Superhero movie to clock in at under 2 hours so that my butt can stay awake for the whole film?

I'm still torn on Christian Bale... I do dislike his gravely Batman voice, and I've never found him to be overly likable. But, he's a decent actor and he generally looks the part.

In the end, I thought Ledger alone made the overly long film worth watching, and was clearly the star of the show.

Grade: B

TDK is a film that i am having trouble processing right now. It did something to me that no film has done to me since American Beauty. It is simply put, a perfect film. There are no defficiencies. Heath is perfectly evil. The Joker hates the world. He's dark yes, but he has reasons. You don't condone his methods or what he has become, but you almost empathise with him. This is as close to a masterpiece as you will see, in fact it is one. This is the best film of the year, by far. I'm not embarassed to say that it brought me to tears. The last five minutes are heartbreaking. I wanted to just turn around and walk right back in and see it again. This is in my top 10 of all time. I'm just not sure where.

10/10...I'm still very very emotional right now.

What a film.....i don't know how else to say it.

If a movie is short you get crap like X-men 3.


However length does not mean anything as Spiderman 3 was long and stupid.

I do want to say one quick thing...

I felt the performances were FAR greater than the movie itself. The performances were pretty much perfect. The movie was almost perfect.

Put them together... and it's almost almost perfect.

I have not see the film, but that is reminiscent to a favourite film of mine,

Wall-E got 3 unfair F's...

Wall-E's 6 B's are suspect then too!!!

I gave it an A, Munk-E so don't look at me...

It's really a huge fucking shame that Ledger's gone. I mean with this and Brokeback, he was on his way to not only being a great actor, but potentially a legendary one. I mean who has given performances as good as those two anytime recently, those are best of the decade material. The guy was an extraordinary talent, we definitley got robbed of some amazing performances in the future.

well, that's life, I'm still waiting on the new Nirvana album.

Would it make you happy if his corpse starred in a sequel to Weekend at Bernie's?

Unfortunatley, thats 100% right.

I know it would make me happy.

I watched TDK again today (can't beat a 3.50$ matinee price even though it isn't in digital I'll sacrifice) and when I first saw the film the Rachel scene had me more in shock when it happened, but the second time around I was more holding back emotion. It was like keeping your emotions pent up in your throat I guess. Also, the final scenes and dialogue were also a bit sad as well, but I still haven't cried and I don't think I will now since I passed a 2nd viewing of it.

Another poster mentioned something about the two addresses that the Joker gave and what Batman had said as he was leaving the police building. I'm pretty sure he said he was going after Rachel and Gordon was going after Dent and even said the address to Dent's location yet ended up going to Rachel's location. Continuity error? At first I thought the Joker just gave them switched addresses but Rachel's address sounded nothing like Dent's.

When Joker told Batman the addresses to where Rachel and Dent were... the address he gave for Dent was the address Rachel was at.

And as I stated before. Joker KNEW Batman would save Rachel, thus he told him where she(Dent) was, thus continuing his plan to corrupt Gotham.

I will give a more detailed review later, but quick thoughts, i thought it was much better than Batman Begins, for me Bale gave the best performance, Ledger was good but i didnt think it was one of the greatest performances ever, the rest of the cast were good with their part, but i must admit i was underwelmed by Harvey Dent/To Face, The action is much much better than in BB which i thought were clunky, i like where the franchise in headed.

***/**** (i gave BB a **)

Im very satisfied with the movie, its not the best SH film ever but i cant wait for the third part.

They played the rachel scene for disturbing, horror effect opposed to the shock/twist part I was expecting

this film better be as good as people say it is.


For too long people have hyped me up and I then came back and say I have seen better.

Its essentially casino royale meets lethal weapon 2.

I found Casino Royale Overrated....