so I guess we make WWW threads based on peoples expectations now instead of their actual box office performance. now it makes sense.

you picked on this ... now!?!?

most films today aren't disappointing because they somehow made less money than they should, its cause they are being hyped much more than they should.

And you're right ... deserving or not, TDK will probably see a WWW thread as well .. and its also going to be because of overhyping. that movie, other than the fact that its july and looks damn good has no business earning over 260. It can hit 300, mabe even be the biggest of the year ... but really ... it has no business earning anymore than that.

i was trying to say that shouldnt be allowed. but they arent exactly rules here at KJ...

Yup, bABA nailed it.

And that's the problem here. If you are satisfied with a $62m opening weekend for Wall-E (and a really poor multiplier), go ahead. I think it's a solid opening, actually. Nothing outstanding, though, especially considering that Kung Fu Panda just opened to $60m weeks ago and does not have the consistency, fanbase or hype that Pixar and Wall-E do. But, if you predicted a $80m+ or $100m+ opening weekend and you come back and claim that Wall-E's opening is great and it was "obviously not going to reach those levels because blah blah blah," you're full of shit. If you predicted an $80m opening and expected it to beat Nemo, it would have required at least a 4.24 multiplier. Now, with the current opening, it'll need a 5.47. Don't act like that it just as easy as what you predicted before ("oh, no worries, it'll still beat Nemo, you wait and see, haters").

WWW threads have almost ALWAYS been about expectations.

Overall, very nice opening (nice comeback for Pixar after a misstep with Ratatouille), it could still make $250m+. That'd be terrific.

This is why I hate the box office sometimes.

I predicted $70M, but a $63M opening is not at all disappointing to me.

People lose perspective and get lost in the hype. So, the fact that there's all this retarded "What went wrong?" thread for EVERY DAMN MOVIE is 50% people who hype the movie too much, and 50% people who are just haters who went against the movie BECAUSE of the hype.

It's everyone's fault, really, and it's incredibly irritating.

But all fault goes to the first 50% coz without them there wouldn't have been the other 50%.

i've said it before, WWW should not be allowed until the second weekend. what if WallE drops only 10% next weekend...

This whole thread is stupid.....completely pointless and I have not seen a single post based on anything but speculation. The IM for WALL-E was not great and the $62 OW was on the lower side of the fantics predicts but still this thread is idiotic and things like this is one of the reasons why I left WOKJ in the first place

Not you, too!

it is very annoying. i almost wake up every morning and go "i wonder what stupid threads are up at KJ today." and its all from these WWW and 15 club threads for the same movie.

maybe the mods could do something about this...nah who am i kidding, that would be the day.

i was saying what if. people jump the gun so much here its almost embarrassing to say i visit these forums

Well, I'm personally disappointed in the number, and in the multiplier. I expected a slightly bigger number (well, $71m) and was hoping for an even higher one.


I don't think anything is wrong with the hype surrounding Wall-E. All it attests to is the hope on the part of some of us that an actually good, original movie will penetrate through all the fucking shit that's been cluttering the box office this decade. None of us Wall-E fans should feel the need to make any apologies for the hype we created. The film has very clearly meet almost everyone's high expectations quality wise, and if it doesn't do so financially, it's not because something went wrong with us, just that something went wrong with the audience, as it has been the case hundreds of times this decade.

Outside of KJ nobody cares about the film's box office performance except for Disney and Pixar.

It does not need it's own thread...this could have easily been discussed in the weekend estimates thread. It's just spamming up the board...plus it is obvious Mak66 actually thinks WALL-E has done badly

What do you think I meant by Disney and Pixar if not Hollywood? And I took KJ to refer metonymically to box office analysis in general.

i admit it. i'm very disapointed with Wall-E opening weekend (assuming actual is under 70m).
i expected 80+ million and i dreamed 100+ million.

hopefully it finishes with a 4 mulitplier and tops 240m. another disapointment.

Exactly. I think those insane predictions for Wall-E also deserve to get their lumps like the Indy club did. I know I did with Indy

I dont think so. Mark provided good analysis on why he thinks theres a possibility and the keyword he used here is "potential". If it was a straight up prediction like saying it will beat Titanic, it would have been closed. Dont be discouraged Mark.Sometimes you have to wait and see how legs go before making judgement . The reason why the thread was created is because quite a number of people have argued that Wall-E's "opening weekend" should be very high and that it should do much better than what MTC is projecting. If your original argument was that it will open low but have a huge multiplier, you shouldnt have taken offense to the thread. If you were however projecting an 80+ opening week, you do deserve the few lumps in your head like the Indy clubs

For the record, I saw the movie. I loved the interaction between Wall-E and Eva even though those are the only words they spoke. Pretty cute and nice use of old movie classics

"Channeling BKB"

I really dont care what people think, at the end of the day i got what i was hoping for, a kick ass movie thats better than anything else this summer.

Pixar became huge catering to the baby boomlet in the 90s, the children of baby boomers. As that wave subsided there was a natural decline in the dominance of family movies. But considering all that, I'm impressed how well Pixar has held up.

Expectations were way too high. I was one of the "lowballers," and my settled $55-60 million range wasn't that far off.

Nothing, for both.

It was a predictable opening that was too boring for some of us to accept. The forum channeled its inner bkb.

so it's all BKB's fault.

goooooooooood!

I do agree with this. We LOVE big, shocking openers, and we le that seep into our predictions. It happened with Indy, it even kinda happened with S&TC.

The number is great number, all things considered. Just not a mind blowing one.