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Chippy
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 Re: The Incredible Hulk
BKB's review sounds STRANGELY familiar to his Batman Begins review...
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Rev
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B+a big improvement over the first Hulk film. 
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Bradley Witherberry
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Uninvolving.
A complete failure of storytelling sinks this second Hulk movie.
Yeah, there's a good story in there somewhere, but this telling of it, is not it - - for now, I'll go back to the Ang Lee version, and await the definitive future version - - perhaps number three...
Edward Norton's good acting is wasted amidst the bluster (same goes for William Hurt and Tim Roth), while Liv Tyler is past her prime, and worse, can't act worth a damn.
What a total waste of my time tonight...
1 out of 5.
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Chippy
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I'm sorry Bradley This cements my decision to probably not see it.
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Maverikk
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Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:03 am Posts: 15310 Location: Slumming at KJ
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Liv Tyler is a decent actress and did a fine job. You guys at this forum always throw out baseless comments that Liv Tyler or Jessica Alba can't act, and then you just lose credibility, because that's hardly the case.
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Barrabás
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The Incredible Hulk isn't a bad movie. Its very entertaining, the acting is convincing and it works well as a summer blockbuster. The story is quite predictable (something which the 2003 film avoided), and Norton lacks charisma (he came off as wooden in several scenes, I preferred Bana much more in the role), but the action is great and the Norton-Tyler chemistry is wonderful. But the 2003 movie was just better. I liked how Hulk wasn't just portrayed as a mindless monster, I liked how it took its time to explore the character's origin instead of the half-assed credits explanation we get here, I liked his design better. The college scene here feels like a shadow of the desert sequence in the first film. Every actor was better in their roles in the last one, but then Lee can direct much better than Leterrier. The villain was great up until when he started to speak. Having the two monsters speak was the worst creative decision of the year. And seeing these two obviously CGI creatures battling wasn't amazing, it was boring and felt like I was watching a video game. The villain in the first one was more interesting and had a better power. Which brings me to the effects, which are very uneven. In broad daylight Hulk looked terrible, while in the rain scenes he was great. Ang lee's Hulk wasn't great, but it felt more complete and satisfying. This one just descends into mindless blockbuster territory. I liked how Hulk was treated with dignity instead of like a video game in the 2003 film. At least for me, the artsy Hulk was refreshing, risky and exciting. As one reviewer said, where's Ang Lee when we need him?
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zingy
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Well, shit. This rocked.
I'll start with some minor problems I had - so minor that it basically did not take away from the film one bit. Besides Norton, who is excellent, I'm not a fan of the rest of the cast. Honestly, Hulk '03's cast (minus Bana, though he played a damn good Bruce Banner, too, so it'd be okay with him as well) in this film and it would have been absolute perfection. Hurt, Roth and Tyler all were average in this. Oh, and I agree about the forced humor, but it's excusable because, well, most of these films never pulled it off well until Iron Man.
All that aside, this was fuckin' awesome. This is exactly what I was hyped to see back in '03 when Hulk was being released. The action scenes and special effects are terrific. And there's not just one action scene or whatever, but quite a few major, awesome scenes. The film is constantly exciting and never slows down for a second. The cameos were brilliant. The scene with Tony Stark? Perfect.
Iron Man is still tops. But this film is right behind it. I agree with bABA that The Dark Knight has to live up to some big expectations now after two phenomenal comic book films.
***½
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billybobwashere
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This film has some really really awesome action sequences, as well as a strong lead performance by Edward Norton and a good, unusual villain of Tim Roth. However, it has little else going for it.
I like Liv Tyler, but she wasn't cast well here. She works better in movies without such a fast, actiony pace, and her character was rather uninteresting and out-of-place as a result.
The chemistry between Norton and Tyler just wasn't there. I never felt their romance.
There are too many in-jokes and little we-need-a-quick-laugh moments. The movie had, what, four cameos? One's more than enough.
The fact that the best scenes were the action scenes proves that Hulk just isn't that interesting of a character, and I don't fault the people involved for this, just that you simply can't get very in-depth with his concept, whereas other heroes can have much more interesting inner-struggles.
While this is a better film than Ang Lee's "Hulk," it's a less commendable effort. Of course, it got the job done better, but there really wasn't much creative effort shown here - it was just action with scenes in between leading to more action, and that fit Hulk's character pretty well - but I think that the reason why Ang Lee tried a more creative approach was because he didn't wanna make just a mindless blockbuster like the Hulk "should" be, and I therefore applaud him for that.
The great action sequences and pretty strong central performances make up for these issues, but keep it from greatness. I have this just a notch below the overrated "Iron Man," but well ahead of superhero flicks like "Fantastic Four," "Ghost Rider," "X-Men: The Last Stand," and all the other sub-par superhero movies. With this one, I'm at least anticipating another...hopefully it'll be made with a bit more interest and ambition than "hulk smash!"
Great mindless summer fun, but forgettable on a "Transformers" level.
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misutaa
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I don't know what to say and not in a good way. I really REALLY wanted to love this film. I thought everything looked good, but ....idk it just never got me too into it. I was just always a bit distracted. Plus Liv Tyler was AWFUL!!! Worst acting of the year for sure. Actually, no one really stood out..
idk...i am kinda mad....maybe my thoughts will change after I sleep...
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Bradley Witherberry
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Misutaa Supaakoru wrote: I don't know what to say and not in a good way. I really REALLY wanted to love this film. I thought everything looked good, but ....idk it just never got me too into it. I was just always a bit distracted. Plus Liv Tyler was AWFUL!!! Worst acting of the year for sure. Actually, no one really stood out.. I agree 100% - - I haven't looked at my watch in a movie so much since, well, errr, since The Strangers. The Incredible Hulk was so obvious and predictable, I really felt like walking out. This was the polar opposite of Iron Man, which is a shame since I thought Marvel had licked the super hero movie tone problem - - but I guess it was just Jon Favreau who did... billybobwashere wrote: ...a good, unusual villain of Tim Roth. However, it has little else going for it. Does anyone else remember him as the villian in Rob Roy? Now that was a villain!!!
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Caius
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C+. Perhaps my main complaint has nothing to do with the movie and more to do with the character himself. Hulk is not a superhero by any stretch, at least in the films and often times in the comics, rather he is simply mostly uncontrollable rage. Because there is no real sense of Banner controlling the Hulk (unless Betty is around and even then he is iffy), I find I cannot root for him. I much preferred the bits in Brazil where it was Banner trying to find a cure and control his alter ego.
As for the movie itself, it was alright. Roth and Betty were not badly acted, they were badly written. I think Roth said a total of 10 words and filled in the rest with mean stares. Something had to have been cut from his character's screen time.
Two minor complaints: For the end battle, they were clearly fighting on top of a building. So where, in the last minute of the battle, did all the onlookers come from and why would they want to be there where two uncontrollable monsters were having a battle? The second complaint regards shooting bullets at the Hulk. Why? He doesn't get injured and surely some of these bullets would hit innocent bystanders. You'd think after the first batch of .50 shots were ineffective that the military would stop shooting their measly M16's.
Also, how does a Russian born British Marine get into a top secret U.S. super soldier program?
C+ because some of the action was good and I thought Norton was strong. Right on par with 03 Hulk.
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Ripper
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Its no Iron Man, but it was what Hulk 2003 was not, and that was fun.
I thought the effects were well done, and I enjoyed watching the movie, it wasn't perfect and I was as engaged as I was watching Iron Man the first or second time, but it was a fun summer movie.
There are clearly chunks of the movie missing, so I want to see an extended version when DVD time comes.
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Shack
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Misutaa Supaakoru wrote: I don't know what to say and not in a good way. I really REALLY wanted to love this film. I thought everything looked good, but ....idk it just never got me too into it. I was just always a bit distracted. Plus Liv Tyler was AWFUL!!! Worst acting of the year for sure. Actually, no one really stood out.. I agree 100% - - I haven't looked at my watch in a movie so much since, well, errr, since The Strangers. The Incredible Hulk was so obvious and predictable, I really felt like walking out. This was the polar opposite of Iron Man, which is a shame since I thought Marvel had licked the super hero movie tone problem - - but I guess it was just Jon Favreau who did... billybobwashere wrote: ...a good, unusual villain of Tim Roth. However, it has little else going for it. Does anyone else remember him as the villian in Rob Roy? Now that was a villain!!! Also, most awesomely gruesome villain death ever in that one
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Bradley Witherberry
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Magnus wrote: I think Tim Roth was the strongest element of this movie. Villains are usually weak in many comic-book films, but not here. Tim Roth really got into his charecter I felt. You could really tell that this was a man with a drive for power. He's not scared by the Hulk; he's jealous. He WANTS to become the Abomination. The power-hungry villain has been before of course, but I think Tim Roth did a really great job in the movie. I'm glad you enjoyed it, but I didn't see any character or development in his role, just a B&W bad guy, which as mentioned earlier was entirely the fault of the writers rather than Roth's performance...
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MadGez
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Just on Tim Roth as the villian. I thought he was a good villian and actually better than Jeff Bridges was Iron Man - so to was the final showdown between hero and villian. I like how Tim Roth's character came in to do a job, but then got seduced by his lust for physical power and a yearning to be phsyically young again- thinking he deserved the power more than anyone. Now overall, the film itself wasnt as good as Iron Man but it was exactly what we wanted to see -HULK SMASH! This is miles ahead of the 2003 version. Norton is great - though a little understated - as some have already said - it does seem like a few scenes were cut-out from the film. I loved his scenes on the run in Brazil and he plays Hulk as the toremented character he is. First unable to control his anger (so in ways he's not a hero) to finally being able to master them (a bit). I have no problem with the supporting cast either and the action scenes were fantastic. Best final showdown in a comic book film for a long time and even then the fight at the campus was even better than the final one. Visual Effects are And offcourse love the Tony Stark cameo! Very enjoyable, cant wait for Avengers Grade : A
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Maverikk
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Ripper wrote: Its no Iron Man, but it was what Hulk 2003 was not, and that was fun.
I thought the effects were well done, and I enjoyed watching the movie, it wasn't perfect and I was as engaged as I was watching Iron Man the first or second time, but it was a fun summer movie.
There are clearly chunks of the movie missing, so I want to see an extended version when DVD time comes. 
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The Dark Shape
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Liked it a lot at the beginning, got kind of bored towards the end. And the CGI was awful -- everything until the Hulk/Abomination fight (which does look quite good) has this ridiculous plasticness and sheen to it. It looks exactly like Grand Theft Auto IV on the big screen, and I mean that with no hyperbole.
Downey Jr. got the biggest pop of the night, unsurprisingly.
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Satisfying enough and the pacing was great but it couLd have used Less and shorter chase scenes in the first haLf and more humor and stuff shouLd have been used Like in most superhero movies. It picked up a Lot though, in the finaL battLe scene and the ending. The action was kick-ass at times but the CGI was bad for the most part.
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STEVE ROGERS
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The Dark Shape wrote: Liked it a lot at the beginning, got kind of bored towards the end. And the CGI was awful -- everything until the Hulk/Abomination fight (which does look quite good) has this ridiculous plasticness and sheen to it. It looks exactly like Grand Theft Auto IV on the big screen, and I mean that with no hyperbole.
Downey Jr. got the biggest pop of the night, unsurprisingly.
B All this whining about the CGI proves 1 thing: That no matter how good it is, people will still find a reason to bitch about it.. The CGI in this movie was as real as it's going to get folks.. This has to be probably one of the more difficult characters to bring to life in a real world environment and I think they pulled that off as convincingly as your going to get..
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Bradley Witherberry
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The Incredible BKB wrote: The CGI in this movie was as real as it's going to get folks. Incorrect.
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The Dark Shape
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The Incredible BKB wrote: The Dark Shape wrote: Liked it a lot at the beginning, got kind of bored towards the end. And the CGI was awful -- everything until the Hulk/Abomination fight (which does look quite good) has this ridiculous plasticness and sheen to it. It looks exactly like Grand Theft Auto IV on the big screen, and I mean that with no hyperbole.
Downey Jr. got the biggest pop of the night, unsurprisingly.
B All this whining about the CGI proves 1 thing: That no matter how good it is, people will still find a reason to bitch about it.. The CGI in this movie was as real as it's going to get folks.. This has to be probably one of the more difficult characters to bring to life in a real world environment and I think they pulled that off as convincingly as your going to get..Bring ILM back. A Davy Jones-quality Hulk would be something to see.
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Ripper
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Maverikk wrote: Ripper wrote: Its no Iron Man, but it was what Hulk 2003 was not, and that was fun.
I thought the effects were well done, and I enjoyed watching the movie, it wasn't perfect and I was as engaged as I was watching Iron Man the first or second time, but it was a fun summer movie.
There are clearly chunks of the movie missing, so I want to see an extended version when DVD time comes.  I really think everyone is so damn picky about some of the stuff like the CGI, sure it wasn't bloody perfect,, but I judge the CGI on how distracting it is while watching the movie. I wasn't noticing it that much in this film. Actually, i though everyone made a to big deal out of the CGI in HUlk (2003). The opening chase between Banner and the military was quite fun, and the campus fight as well, that's what a sumer movie is about fun, it doesn't have to be all cerebral. I am sure the longer cut will have more character development. As for the Liv Tyler sucked comments, I thought she was way worse in TTT, with her pointless scenes in that movie. Iron Man was better, especially since it held up on a second viewing, but the Hulk was fun, in the summer popcorn movie way.
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The Dark Shape
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Ripper wrote: but I judge the CGI on how distracting it is while watching the movie. I wasn't noticing it that much in this film. See, I was. Both the bottling plant and university Hulk-outs looked so fake to me that I was dragged out of the movie.
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Mr. Inc
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The effects aren't any worse than that of the aliens in IJ4... for me at least. Ya at one point I was certain I was watching a video game, but outside of that the effects were passable.
A lot of fun. Campy, cheesy .. I mean when he says Hulk SMASH! it just is just for the film. It's just a good time, a time that should be had with The Hulk, not one that puts me to sleep. Liv Tyler, while i love her to death, was a bit much. Like someone else said, maybe at KJ, it really makes one appreciate Gwenyth's performance for Iron Man. You can tell it in the way they say the hero's name (Bruce, Peter, Tony) if it sounds to desperate, its too much and Liv went a bit to much, but its fine. Again its all over the place, the story isn't the best and there are plot holes but again good fun! B+
At Tony Sharks cameo, the crowd went insane. This just makes me think Iron Man 2 will not only be huge but also, with all these cameo's inside Marvel movie The Avengers could be HUGE.
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