Arggghhhhh im watching the Catwoman DVD - Ertha Kitt is freaking scary

Thats total B.S - you cant stipulate word of mouth.
The only WOM ive heard for Elektra has been positive, all my friends [who are pretty neutral on Garner] enjoyed it, and the theater seemed to respond fairly well too, so how can you conclude WOM is worse by box office figures?
Theres a snowstorm on the east coast of America which even made IN GOOD COMPANY'S pta plummet and Coach Carter dip 50%. Elektra opened on a holiday weekend and then dropped superhard not only because of bad reviews, the genre, time and release date, but because of environmental variables - you'll see user reviews on websites for Elektra far outweigh those of Catwoman . Furthermore Catwoman opened on a holiday season - where it should have had better legs than say, if it was released in January. $82m is "near enough on its budget"? Thats $18m away from covering its production budget alone - never mind ads, distribution or worlwide costs - the film only gets 1/2 of that figure anyway, meaning Catwoman only really generated around $40m for the studio in theaters.

Ive said this before : Stipulating word of mouth from box office drops alone is a terrible idea - as there are literally hundreds of other variables that go into the films process

thw word of mouth where i've been is pretty bad .. cept for one friend who thought it was time pass.

what was the budget for catwoman and elektra? punisher didn't do well at the box office but its budget was smal so a financial success.

Elektra is much better than Catwoman. I think Elektra should have opened in the summer and then it would have been a better comparison. Since they both would've had the summer weekdays. That is what Elektra doesn't have!!!

Catwoman cost $100m to make and around $35m for North American production and distribution

Rob Bowman said Elektra cost "Mid Thirties" to make. But from the quality of the final film id say $40m.

On the WOM, i know 7 people who have seen the movie now, its actually doing very well at my local multiplex, sold out on Saturday Night showings but around 1/4 full on the Sunday 5.30pm showing i attended - its only got a few showtimes each day though so maybe thats why. But out of those 7 peeps, 2 didnt like it.

By the way, i just saw Catwoman....http://naturalflux7.com/for ... php?t=1513
Totally dire. I did try to be open minded, but every time i was getting engrossed it gorged itself back into hammy dialogue and CGI fight sequences.

eletra would have gotten killed even worse in the summer. i'm actually shocked its doing this badly but in thes summer, it stood little chance.

Catwoman receives 7 Razzie nominations today...

The more important question is what will the failure of Catwoman and Elektra do to the girl superhero movie genre?

Entertainment Weekly posed that question in their mag this week. They say it is apparent that men don't like to see a girl that can kick ass, and that it scares all of the 13 year old kids. EW hypothisizes that the genre could be dead after these two disasters.

I say EW is full of poo. They weren't disasters because Elektra and Catwoman scared 13 year old boys! They were poorly received because they simply weren't good movies. There are just no female superhero movies being made that are on the level of a Spiderman 2. I certainly hope this doesn't kill that genre. I for one, like to watch an ass kicking lady much more than I like to see a man in tights or a big naked green guy kicking ass.

Tony is right. This time at least :wink:

Let's face reality here. Girls are not the primary target audience of comic books. They just are not. I don't think I need to drag out a lot of evidence to support that. But that being the case, it genre really lends itself to characters boys can identify with... male super heros.

I don't think you can declare a genre dead when those two films have been Catwoman and Elektra. Two B and C level comic book "heros" (more like anti-heros?). Lets get Wonder Woman in here or... umm... Wonder Woman... or ummm Wonder Woman. Hey did you hear that they are making Wonder Woman?

Man, its not like theres a market for girl superhero movies.
Havent we forgotten how bad Red Sonja, Supergirl, Sheena, and Barbwire are? If theres anyone that needs to worry now it would Charlize Theron who is playing that MTV cartoon movie

I think there is a potential market there waiting to be tapped. Look how well Tomb Raider opened. And the mild success of Underworld and Kill Bill shows that a female action movie can succeed. They just need to bring all the pieces together (script, actress, director, etc...) to produce a very succesful female led Superhero movie. I doubt we'd ever see one that would perform on par with Spiderman, but I think you could see a $200 million+ movie if done right. Catwoman could have been perfect with the right elements, instead they destroyed it.

Well... Tomb Raider was based off of a *very* popular video game (especially among the young males with codes...). Kill Bill had the Tarantino audience ready at the doors of the theater, and Underworld had the horror and vampire fans out, plus anyone who was in the mood to watch Kate Beckinsale in leather attire.

Elektra only had the die hard Daredevil fans and Garner fans going for it, and Catwoman basically had nothing but a good release date and one of the hottest actresses in the biz.

For Marvel movies, I dont think that there would ever be another movie that can rank along side Spiderman and X-men. Those 2 are the first tier in comic book movies. Im still pondering how they blew it with a first tier character like the Hulk.

As for DC, they are in the same boat with only Batman and Superman as their franchise. I dont think Wonder Woman has even remotely the kind of fanbase as the two dc characters I mentioned. Even if a Wonder Woman gets made, you know how it is, you cant satisfy every fan. Plus internet people are harder on which actress is cast as opposed to actor and you know for a fact if the movie gets cast, most everyone will say "They cast the wrong actress, it will bomb!"
By the way Tombraider might of opened high but its sequel bombed. Same goes for Charlie's Angels. It goes on to prove my point further :wink:

I've just come to the conclusion that its not the women's movies that do badly.

Films that try to sell themselves solely on sex appeal will fail. The market does not want it. They just don't. We all have a PC, we all have Kazaa and hence we all have access to the largest gallery of scantily clad women

Oddly what you said is very true. Kill Bill didnt sell itself on sex appeal. Charlie's Angels tried to sell itself on T&A, the first time it worked but the second vehicle was a failure. We can also argue if RE and Underworld sold themselves based on sex appeal since Kate Beckinsale in leather could be the basis for the movie

I don't think Resident Evil tried to sell based on sex appeal. Other than low cut dresses and shower scenes (which you can't know about until you physically watch the movie), I didn't see how they concentrated too much on the women, other than them being butt kicking hotties fighting zombies. In Underworld, it was vampires/werewolves.

I got it! The key to box office success of women superhero-type movies is have them beating up zombies, werewolves, vampires, or chinese guys! =D>

CA: First one sold itself on the fun factor as well.

RE:2 went beyond just the sex appeal. Actually the ad campaign concentrated more on Milla kicking ass than anything else. Underworld, while Kate was in a leather outfit didn't really emphasis much on it (did you notice any out of the ordinary movements from kate to emphasize her physique? I thought not).

:laugh: Actually she was beating up on Japanese guys. She did get her ass kicked by a really old chinese guy though. It shows you the difference between japanese and chinese

As opposed to Elektra who was running away from the Keanu Reeves japanese guy

Remember that both the REs didn't actually gross a lot .. they just met their budget and surpassed it by quite a bit.

Well, based on Catwoman and Elektra, Aeon Flux might be DOA.

So I guess we are seeing Garner competiting with Charlize Theron in Aeon Flux for the worst actress razzie arent we?

Jennifer Garner was not slaughtered in the reviews like Halle Berry[rightfully] or Jennifer Lopez [rightfully] was or Madonna [even more rightfully] was in years past. Infact her performance in Elektra was good in my opinion- maybe im blinded by my fanboyism. Be prepared to see some really bad performances come this summer. BUT, maybe the genre and the reviews alone are enough to give Jennifer a look in at a razzie nod - since there have been performances before honoured by the Razzies with nods that hardly deserved them.

Sharon Stone was horrific in Catwoman though, she wholy deserves the award for worst supporting actress.
THAT SAID - look at some people nominated by the Razzies this year "George W. Bush / FAHRENHEIT 9/11" for Worst Actor.
I didnt realise George Bush had placed a willing ACTED performance for this film?

I think that movie going audiences just dont like the idea of female empowerment films - guys can see sexy women as supporting actresses to men in most action films - and theres a certain association with camp fascination with a female role model; and girls would rather view drama or romantic comedy projects on the whole.

Point is, the Elektra trailers may have sold the pic as a film on Jennifer Garners SEXXX appeal, but infact the film was alot more of a dark action drama about maternal instincts, foibles and the way the past can change someone.

There is one good thing about its underperformance - i wont have to wait till december for the DVD

As for Kill Bill showing a female action film can succeed ? Kill Bills box office receipts are quite modest compared to most male lead action films - and its attachment to Tarrintino was the element that sold it more than anything else.

Point is you dont necessarly have a decent performance not to be nominated. How else do you explain Colin Farrell or Val Kilmer being nominated for Alexander despite them being decent actor. Bringing a good performance doesnt excuse people from being out of razzie contention, just ask Robin Williams

I like how Britney Spears was nominated for her role in....Fahrenheit 911

What a joke.

30 bucks says Paris Hilton will get a razzie next year for House of Wax. Its that predictable sometimes. Fun to see them nominated but very predictable