Sean Connery Back As Bond Villian?!?
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Bradley Witherberry
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bABA wrote: Bradley Witherberry wrote: bABA wrote: Lecter's point is that beyond doing an entire survey of every person across north america, he has provided you alist of links from where we has been able to provide some group concensus on the film. you may not consider it as enough but that is what he can offer you.
To argue your point, either provide places from where he CAN give you data to prove his point or instead, prove your point by providing a list of links as well, that support your argument. Because as it stands right now, it seems lecter's opinion on the quality of the movie is closer to the consensus on how people feel about the film, even if you do think that the sample size is very small). Even if you could survey every person in the world who's seen a movie, it still would not determine the movie's quality. It remains a measure of popularity. The quality of artistic endeavors, such as movies, is not quantifiable into "data". No. I keep mentioning consensus. also, if we are talking about quality not being quantifiable into 'data', then people really need to stop talking about how bad or how uneventful casino royale is. Talk about missing the point!
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:26 pm |
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bABA
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: bABA wrote: Bradley Witherberry wrote: bABA wrote: Lecter's point is that beyond doing an entire survey of every person across north america, he has provided you alist of links from where we has been able to provide some group concensus on the film. you may not consider it as enough but that is what he can offer you.
To argue your point, either provide places from where he CAN give you data to prove his point or instead, prove your point by providing a list of links as well, that support your argument. Because as it stands right now, it seems lecter's opinion on the quality of the movie is closer to the consensus on how people feel about the film, even if you do think that the sample size is very small). Even if you could survey every person in the world who's seen a movie, it still would not determine the movie's quality. It remains a measure of popularity. The quality of artistic endeavors, such as movies, is not quantifiable into "data". No. I keep mentioning consensus. also, if we are talking about quality not being quantifiable into 'data', then people really need to stop talking about how bad or how uneventful casino royale is. Talk about missing the point! What point am i missing? that casino royale was not something that had bond formula? i already acknowledged it but my initial comments in this thread were in reference to people putting down the film and stating things along the lines of the movie being inferior or not following the formula, in some way being an error of judgement. both have been argued by me and lecter. i'm still waiting to hear your side with any kind of backing other than an opinion
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:33 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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Bradley, bABA is right. What I was proving (and succeeded in doing so) was that the majority of moviegoers found Casino Royale to be great. I didn't say anything about its quality. You may disagree with the audiences and say they are stupid, but there's no denying the fact that they liked it a lot.
That was my point.
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:34 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Maverikk wrote: Darth Indiana Bond wrote: To me Casino Royale brought back the early to mid 1960s Bond feel back to the series, all it needs is the big brass score to help match it. Minus the exciting leading man and fantastical plots and villians. I'm glad to hear they realize that they need to go back to formula. Watch From Russia With Love again, their Villains feel just like CR's and there is little gadgets, and a very low-key plot that derives its fantisism from the exotic locales and not crazy plot schemes, it is more like the books might I even say. Bond is a cold hearted killer, that is how Connery played him in the first two roles, and that is how he is in the book, and that is how he should be.
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:48 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Bradley, bABA is right. Doc, you are wrong in saying bABA is right. Quote: What I was proving (and succeeded in doing so) was that the majority of moviegoers found Casino Royale to be great. Incorrect. You proved it was popular. This is an easily manipulated data point these days. Quote: I didn't say anything about its quality. I agree with you completely on this point. Quote: You may disagree with the audiences and say they are stupid, but there's no denying the fact that they liked it a lot. I have never said that audiences are "stupid" to enjoy any film. If they can be promoted into "enjoying" a movie like trained seals, who am I to argue with that enjoyment? Your aggressive debating strategy is almost convincing, but I'd save it for the psych conference, if I were you... 
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:01 am |
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Mr. R
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Return of Connery would be the return of the Century! This fact alone would easily bring more than $100 million in worldwide box-office + tons of publicity. It will be in historical books forever! Damn, Give him ANY money he wants! 20 million, 25, 30, 35 - doesn't matter. Everything will more than pay off!
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:43 am |
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Maverikk
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: Watch From Russia With Love again, their Villains feel just like CR's and there is little gadgets, and a very low-key plot that derives its fantisism from the exotic locales and not crazy plot schemes, it is more like the books might I even say. Bond is a cold hearted killer, that is how Connery played him in the first two roles, and that is how he is in the book, and that is how he should be. I think Goldeneye is close to the feel of From Russia With Love in parts. Closer than Casino Royale, also directed by Martin Campbell. Unlike Casino Royale, Goldeneye had the essential ingredients to go along with that. And Pierce Brosnan nailed the cold hearted killer aspect of the character in EVERY one of his movies. 
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:52 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Maverikk wrote: I think Goldeneye is close to the feel of From Russia With Love in parts. Closer than Casino Royale, also directed by Martin Campbell. Unlike Casino Royale, Goldeneye had the essential ingredients to go along with that. And Pierce Brosnan nailed the cold hearted killer aspect of the character in EVERY one of his movies.  But Mav, millions disagree! 
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:02 am |
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bABA
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Bradley, bABA is right. Doc, you are wrong in saying bABA is right. Quote: What I was proving (and succeeded in doing so) was that the majority of moviegoers found Casino Royale to be great. Incorrect. You proved it was popular. This is an easily manipulated data point these days. Quote: I didn't say anything about its quality. I agree with you completely on this point. Quote: You may disagree with the audiences and say they are stupid, but there's no denying the fact that they liked it a lot. I have never said that audiences are "stupid" to enjoy any film. If they can be promoted into "enjoying" a movie like trained seals, who am I to argue with that enjoyment? Your aggressive debating strategy is almost convincing, but I'd save it for the psych conference, if I were you...  oh bradley. you with your .. bkbness.
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:48 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Rumpelschtiltzchen wrote: Return of Connery would be the return of the Century! This fact alone would easily bring more than $100 million in worldwide box-office + tons of publicity. It will be in historical books forever! Damn, Give him ANY money he wants! 20 million, 25, 30, 35 - doesn't matter. Everything will more than pay off! Thank-you for posting on topic, Rumpelschtilzchen!
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