The Giants didn't "spank" the Patriots. The Patriots came out with a bad game plan. As the game progressed, they got in a groove and the Giants couldn't stop them.

Ellis Hobbs falling down in the endzone... and a FREAK holding onto the ball with RODNEY HARRISON on his back was the game.

The Giants played the Pats to within 3 points twice in a month so if the Pats were as great as everyone said, then the Giants showed thems to be a pretty great solid team. Say what you want but 2008 will end up just as successful as 2007, a great Giant year. And it all started with the confidence the Pats Game in week 16.

It's who's hot at the right time.

The Giants got hot at the right time. That's it.

No, the big thing is the Giants won the last game which is the only thing that counts.

Also not only hot at the right time but when playing the better teams, Patriots, Tampa Bay, Dallas, Green Bay, Patriots, which shows that the Giants developed into a different team! Which will continue into 2008 as they are now both an offensive and defensive force!

Well, I just did, but I think Dallas will have something to say as well. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Dallas is going very far in the playoffs (I forget if I changed my NFC team pick to the Packers or not), but they win the division easily. It's the only nice thing about not advancing far in the playoffs. The schedule for them pretty much remains at the same level of difficulty.



No. They were a playoff team who went on a run. All the credit in the world to them. The 2002 Patriots went on a similar run, granted not all of the playoff games were on the road. The next year they went 9-7. How did the '03 Bucs and '05 Steelers finish?



Hindsight's a bitch. It makes you look golden and everyone else look like morons. It works out very convieniently for you, doesn't it?

The Giants will win 10 or less games.

I guarantee it.

The league is too crazy there will be no repeats. The Giants will get beat by some NFC team in the playoffs.

I agree and I am kindof joking about the Giants repeating chances. But again there are 2 big differences that the above Pats fans aren't considering when I say the Giants are a different team.

Manning in the first 10 games usually threw some interceptions. But after the Pats game and into the playoff game, he stopped it. Now for example, Manning along will cause a 3 game difference in wins or losses along. More interceptions will equal 3 more losses, Less interceptions will equal 3 more wins. I personally think he turned himself around which is why I am saying that they can fight Dallas for the division. And remember that a great quarterback usually comes into his own in about his 5 year so let see how his next 5 years will turn out: will he always be Peyton's little brother and only a one-hit wonder or will he continue to turn into that great QB who was a #1 NFL draft pick.

Steve Smith. I have a friend who is a USC fan so he is very high on Steve Smith. Even when I rave about the Pats Walker having great hands and making plays, he stays that Steve Smith is the same player. Now Steve Smith was out for almost the first 12 games of the season. Then in the last month he started catching balls and was big-time catching about 5 + balls in those last games. Which also notice was when Manning got better. Remember Smith now is basically a rookie who played 2 months last year so we have to see how he develops next year. But other than Tyree's big catch and the defense, some of his 5 Super Bowl catches greatly helped the Giants to win in the Super Bowl and also many playoffs games.

Plus I am not even going to go into the Giants 2 RB's who went from unknowns to being probably both 1000 yard runners next year.

Manning had 2 INT's DROPPED in the Super Bowl.

Manning is garbage. He played well over a 4 game span. Woop dee doo

Pats fans like these are one of the biggest reasons that I am so glad the Patriots didn't go 19-0 and win the Super Bowl. You would have thought based on how they talk, they won the game.

How many years since the Patriots won their last Super Bowl win? Too many years for any tough talk!

Anyway, all we can say is that 2007 turned out to be the year of the Super Bowl Champion Giants and also the year the Patrioits had a chance for a perfect year but they fell from grace. Perfect Not. As the Giants defense and Manning and a total team effort took care of that.

Also on Brady, he sure stunk in his last 2 games: lucky againist the Chargers, interception galore, and running for his life or on his butt againist the Giants. Maybe a one year wonder as in the past he was never as good as this year, using your logic?

What the hell are you even talking about?

You're a complete fool.

The Patriots have won THREE Super Bowls in the last 7 years. One next year, and it's 4 in 8. That's unbelievable. But obviously you can't see reality.

Brady is, IMO, the greatest QB of all time. And in any other list, he is Top 5.

Eli Manning will NEVER be in ANY greatest QB conversations. EVER.

As I have shown your opinion is biased and incorrect.

The Patriots haven't won the Super Bowl in 3 years. Talk to me when they win again!

Go back and look at Brady's numbers, this was by far his best year in years so lets see how he plays next year. And Moss seemed to get tired at the end of the year so he might not be the same player to pump up Brady's numbers.

2005: 92 QB rating, 26 TD, 14 Interceptions

2006: 87 QB Rating, 24 TD, 12 Interceptions

2007: 117 QB Rating, 50 TD, 8 Interceptions.

Kindof hard to look at those numbers when they are in black and white. So lets have the Patriots win something again first.

So again, I think we are all glad that the Patriots didn't win as they were clearly undeserving. Maybe with the Cheater tag squarely chained around there neck, the Refs will be calling those offense holding and defense interference that didn't get called this year.

Bonus Question: How many of the touchdowns bewteen Moss and Brady should have been called back for penalities. (Answer: At least half of them) Again I think we are all glad that the undeserving Pats didn't win the Super Bowl.

Let's compare Eli and Tom:

First... His real name? Elisha Nelson Manning
His completion % has never been above 60% for a season.
His QB Ratings? 55, 76, 77, 74

Tom Brady's First 4 Years (completion %): 64, 62, 60, 61
His first 4 years (QB Rating): 87, 86, 86, 93

Brady has never thrown more than 14 INT's in a season. Eli has never thrown LESS than 14 INT's in a season.

Last time the Giants won the Super Bowl before February... 1990.

Tom Brady will win 5 Super Bowls before he is done. Eli will never make it back to a Super Bowl.

The Patriots broke a rule. They did not cheat. They took the heat so other teams don't have to. With "Spygate" being buried, other teams don't have to worry about being caught, as they now know the consequences.

Eli has never won more than 11 games in a season. Brady has only won less than 10 games ONCE.


Once again... the Giants got hot at the right time. It was a perfect storm that happened. They will go back to being an 8-8/9-7/10-6 team next year and might make it in the wild card, or won't make the playoffs at all.

All I can say above is in your face, the Giants are the Super Bowl Champion.

And the Patriots. Not Super Bowl Champions.

Because you don't want to go over real numbers and everything that you said above is meaningless. Especially guessing on how many Super Bowls Brady will win in the future. So stupid.

Anyway on your numbers, who cares about that far in the past, I showed you the numbers of Brady and the Pats for the last 3 years. In Football, more than 3 years ago is pretty worthless.

Also the pressure is really on the Pats cause if they don't win next year, then they are yesterday's news with no wins in 4 years. I would love that.

And Eli is a past number 1 pick and a QB in the toughest NY market so this year will be his first real test. And with most QB turning the quarter after going into the second 5 years of their control. I will wait and see how he does, after maybe turning a corner in the last 5 tough playoff games.

Also, I will go out on a limb and predict that Eli will have his best year next year numbers wise, especially with the RB and 3 WR, so I will laugh at your expense with every win next year. As the Giants will based on talent make the playoffs.

You're almost as bad as Levy stating that the Jags were better than the Pats this year.

Again ignoring any discussion on why the Pats haven't won in 3 years so I guess, no real football knowledge here, and only a home-town fan who rides the wave when the team is good but can't take the other times. Or still tries to live in the past with the Super Bowl win 5 years ago. So Sad.

Guess next year will be tough also as it probably will be the Colts year so the Pats won't even get to the Super Bowl. And of course the Giants will be there for the NFC.

And yes the Giants, Packers another year older. Cowboys, Romo has messed up two years in a row and still has to prove himself. And TO like Moss probably won't have the same year next year that they had this year.

What happened last year for the Giants? What about the year before that? What about the past 18 years? Oh right, they didn't win a Super Bowl until 3 weeks ago by pure chance.

The Giants and Patriots went 1-1 against each other. Thus, you can NOT say they were a better team. You can't use their record, as the Patriots went undefeated.

And as I have stated numerous times. The Giants got hot at the right time, and then had a perfect storm of things happen in the Super Bowl.

The Patriots are the favorites to win the Super Bowl next year. And they will be even better, if you would read my thread on that subject. But no, you just like to look at one win and think it defines a team.

Hot at the right time? Hate to tell you but the Giants won 8 of their last 12 and 14 out their last 18 games. That again shows they were no fluke and anybody who understands football would realize that they are a good football team

8/12=750 Football
14/18=777 Football

Explain that? So I hate to tell you they were hot for the whole year after losing the first 2 games.

And again any football fan would realize that their top players went down and the subs are better and probably now are the starters.

The 2 RB who ran over the Pats and others mainly played only the second half of the year. Steve Smith, the Walker type, only played the last 5 games.

And Manning after standing up to the Pats in week 16 showed that he is a different player. I wasn't impress with him up to the Pats game but after that I see him as a top-notch QB.

So again I laugh at your comments about the wins this and expected wins next year.

Love, the Super Bowl Champion Giants.

Before the playoffs, WHEN THEY GOT HOT, the Giants were 4-4 in their last 8 games. You obviously have no grasp of "getting hot" as the Giants did exactly what they have been doing and falling apart after their bye week each year. The Patriot game was the turnaround point and started their hot streak.

Bradshaw and Jacobs both got under 50 yards rushing. Jacobs only got 6 more yards than Maroney on the SAME amount of carries. So they didn't "run all over them".

Ok, I said that they were a good team all year based on my 750%.

And do you you think that you have a good graps of what hot is, with you going back over 2 months and 8 games.

So lets look at the previous month even before the 4 game playoff winning streak.

In Dec they went 3-2 and they only lost to Washington by 10 and the great Pats by 3 playing without their RB.

so I would think that any team would be happy with that, going into the playoffs. A very good December and a great January leading to a Super Bowl win.

All very reasonable.

And now that they ended the year 7-2. 2008 looks very promising for those Super Bowl Champion Giants.

You're spewing out the same shit over and over. Bringing nothing new to the debate. You're obviously a blind fan and have no grasp on reality.

When the Patriots win their division, make the Super Bowl and win it next year, I'll be laughing my ass off at the Giants sitting at home in January.

What are you talking about?

I talked about the relevance of the Giants winning over last month and 2 month periods, the 750 % all year and also how the Pats haven't won anything in the last 3 years.

Pretty good points answering your questions and then where you have no responses.

Anyway, in the end, the Giants won, the Patriots lost and the Giants are the Super Bowl Champions, the best team of 2007 and the King of the NFL Football World.

Patriots, Losers in the End. Bye Bye 2007.

The Patriots actually only lost to the Colts in 2007. January 2007. The Giants lost 7 games in 2007.

Advantage: Patriots.

The Patriots had a 1.000 winning % in the 2007 season. The Giants had a .625 winning % in the 2007 season.

Advantage: Patriots.

I was talking about the 2007 year as a whole. So if you want to be stupid and that makes you sleep better, OK, the Pats had a better year than the Super Bowl Champion Giants.

And just think that you will always be reminded of this great Pats year as that Giants catch has been named one of the best Super Bowl plays ever so we all will be reminded of this Super Bowl for years and years to come.

And how that the Giants were the Super Bowl Champions.

People also thought this play:

[youtube2]http://youtube.com/watch?v=_eeEy060qrA[/youtube2]

was one of the greatest plays ever. But nobody even remembers it anymore, because it was unimportant.

The "catch" was a fluke, and didn't even win the Giants the game. Every other great Super Bowl play that I can remember is better than it.