See?? This is why subjects like this never work out.. Ultimately, people around here who practice in the subject of "Butt Pirating" is there business and in the end, if a subject like this with posters opinions that are heavily divided like a parting of the Red Sea can't discuss this in a mutually beneficial way, then this thread should be Locked.. Baba, where are you?? Lock this thread before someone throws themselves out a 10 story window for being offended by one's comments over this thread, please??? #-o

I'm really not locking this ....

The way I see it.

I've been very open about the fact that I do not believe in complete freedom of speech because stupid speech without knowledge of reality doesn't deserve freedom. But my opinion is not shared and thats fine. As long as people on this forum continue to say negative things about other situations and be completely okay with it, I will allow Algren to continue saying what he wants as long as hes passing off his posts as his opinions and not facts.

BKB is a funny Mofo,you sound like my dad.
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I have found it Mrs.Dolce : Under Lebanese law, men are legally allowed to have sex with animals, but the animals must be female. Having sexual relations with a male animal is expressly forbidden.

Also : "After having sexual relations with a lamb, it is a mortal sin to eat its flesh." In Oman, if a man has sex with a camel, a cow, or a ewe, the law says that the animal's milk becomes impure and is no longer suitable for human consumption. Oman law requires that the animal must immediately be killed and then burned. The person who sodomized the beast is required to pay its owner the dead animal's full market value.

I read about those laws .... actually they exist through out the world and you'll find quirky animal sex laws in some states as well ...

Read it all in weird facts books about 8 years ago.

what a fucking joke.
please show me where u found that. (and your source better not be i'm_an_idiot_who_believes_anything_he_reads_on_the_internet.com or something )

On the subject of homosexuality, I will say this. I think men having sex with men is disgusting [-X , but I think lesbians are great. \:D/ I don't like being around flaming gay men, and I don't like being around butch dykes. (the word dyke is probably not encouraged here.) I believe that people shouldn't express their sexualities in the way they walk, talk, and dress, they should just express their personalities, and when they can't seperate the two, that's when I don't consider them the type of person I want to know, because they come off like a walking billboard.

I strongly disagree with people who use the Bible as moral proof against homosexuality, as the same people who handed down those stories were evil bastards to begin with. It's obvious that God didn't intend for all humans to be fruitful and multiply, because many can't even have kids. That kind of shoots that theory in the ass.

I don't care who is gay and who is not, as long as the gay men keep their hands off me. One thing I do have a MAJOR problem with, is bi-sexuals. When somebody says they don't have a choice, and then continue to be bi-sexual, they piss me off, because they obviously DO have a choice, but refuse to make one. I'd prefer that they keep their diseases confined to their own community, and not spread it into others. Not blaming the gay community for all diseases, but there is no denying that they do play a big part in that regard. Gay men can be gay men, just stick with men, and don't act like a billboard for your sexuality in every aspect of your life. Lesbians can be lesbians, but the man hating ones need a good stiff one to relax them a little bit. :ph34r:

http://www.wctc.net/~callrjt/Page_2.html

your Lebanese right?

before a million comments are made, i'm sure you mean people over emphasizing their sexuality, whether theyre gay or straight right? ... right?

Well, one of my best friends is bi-sexual, and I've actually asked him about this before. He says that people often have the same opinion that you do, wondering why they don't just "pick." He says it's just like a gay person, they don't choose it - they are attracted to both sexes.

Does poland have a death penalty? cause i just asked my colleague whos polish if they do and hes not sure but is willing to bet that it doesn't. which would kinda kill the credibility of that site.

That much is obvious, but they are being a little greedy. A case of having their cake and eating it too. It comes down to self control, and bi-sexuals don't show any. It's really no different than somebody who cheats on their partner. They don't control the urges in the name of responsibility.




Yes, when people go above and beyond to make a statement of their sexual preference with their wardrobes.

the 'wood county telephone company' site is not a good enough source.

and yeah, i'm american-lebanese, and i would personally chop my dick off if that law were true.

i could wipe my ass with that site's credibility

(it's a lebanese expression, i don't know how it came off in english, but i think u got the point )

get ready to chop it off then, im sure if you google it you will find a more suitable resource. Anyway its just one of those stupid laws that you hear about on Americas dummest criminals etc.

trying to understand... what problem do you have with bisexuals other than the fact that it bothers you that they can't make a choic?

umm, no, i'm not gonna waste my time googling it.
you'r the one who made the statement;
and you'r the one who has to back it up with a suitable source.

That's the only problem I have with them.

I'm not sure it's possible for them to really make a choice. I don't find it selfish that they are equally attracted to both sexes. It's not like something they can help, if you ask me.

but really ... assuming you're kewl with homosexuality, whats really wrong with savouring both parts of the world ... i mean ... we don't hold it against someone if they eat chocolate fudge cake and a cheese cake right?

Well, you're way smarter than I am, so I'm probably wrong here, and I apologize to anybody that might have been offended or anything. I don't find it selfish that they are attracted, just that they act on it, and make it a lifestyle , without any discipline, but you bring up an interesting point that is worth considering.

So do you consider a teenage straight couple kissing in the mall to just as in your face as a gay couple kissing in the mall? Because they're not doing anything different. People are just so accustomed to straight forms of pda that they don't consider it exhibitionist, but gay pda must mean the people are enjoying eachother just to prove a point to you. Straight people are making just as much of a public "lifestyle," you just don't mind it, so don't find it offensive. I for one could argue the same thing about people who coddgle their dogs in public all the time cause I don't like dogs, but I don't, because its their perogative.

And I wonder about your disdain for bi-sexuals since you yourself said that people should act and be attracted to personalities. Could one not argue (and in fact I'm argueing it right now) that bi-sexuals, of all people, are the only ones that are unrestricted by people's inability to "seperate the two"?

@Hans, regardless of if its true or not now, you do see my point now about how in pre-antiquity Leviticus was clearly responding to alot of cultural and religious spaces that don't exist anymore. Why we read the Bible as "timeless" unlike the way we contextualize every other book is beyond me. noone applies Shakespeare's language and thoughts to contemporary settings without a little bit of analysis, and he wrote fiction for goodness sakes! Its time to realize as well that the Bible is not one book, it is an archive, and additional information was added from several regions and at several dates. The OT does not include the Book of Judith, because it was discovered much later. People reading a newer version (after Christianity) will find Judith has been added. What does that mean> Different authors, different historians, different locations, different laws, different oral histories and cultures to identify against. That is why the Bible often seems paradoxical. I would really stop reading it verbatum.

@Anyone who says Homosexuaity is not "Normal." I find you don't even read such texts as the Bible closely, or you would realize its been perefectly "normal." Hell its clearly been going on since the "pre-historic" times, so why do people seem to talk about it as though it popped out of the woodworks after Stonewall? Its always been around. Look, its even written books and carved into ancient figurines. So get over its normalcy and find a better arguement. Historically speaking, its stood the test of time to the point where its safe to say its quite normal.

@Coasterman...There you go. That one sentence proves the selective nature of reading the Bible. First you failed to contextualize it (please read my and hans discussions). Secondly you didn't read anything around it (hence the sleeping with animals discussion we are having right now). Sure if I wanted to I could hone oin on any one sentence in one book and make it my code of law, that doesn't prove that I either have a fundamental understanding of that book or that I'm dumb enough to think that the one line I hone in on is going to be the same one everyone else who picks up that book does. One could easily skip Leviticus altogether and just read the one commandment about loving mankind and that works too. You only put value in that one passage about a man in a man because it doesn't push you to challange your own previously existing sentiment. You could read the passage where Lot offers his daughters to the village 50 times over too, and perhaps live by that code could you not?

I hate most forms of pda ....

Dolce.
one thing though ... just because something happens across many mediums and over a great expanse of time doesn't make something normal or should i say ... unnatural. We could continue this over PM though ... easier that way .... if you want to talk abotu it ...

I don't like annoying gays either. For that matter, I don't like annoying straights, or annoying Lithuanians or annoying fanboys.

Why not just say you don't like annoying people? Why do you feel the ned to single out gays?