I know...the biggest message is to love one another...it's a shame we cannot do that

It takes a lot of energy. Have you tried? It's really, really hard.


Btw, the message obviously is not unique to one faith (or to faith at all). Atheists have a moral compass as well, and so do people of other faiths.

My point: I do not think any religion holds a monopoly on morality. Actually, I do not think religion holds a monopoloy on morality at all. Actually, it was proven 2,500 years ago by Plato that morality is indepedent of God. People using God and religion as evidence of the validity of their argument are proposing something that, for 2,500 years, has been known to be wrong.


Heh, let's give them 500 more years to realize it. #-o

Wait - if you don't like homosexuality for reasons other than religious, you're just a hateful bigot with no reason for being a hateful bigot.

He already gave his reason why. Even though it wasn't a great one.

What, you mean this?

"The gays that annoy me and give me these (sometimes) absurd opinions are the ones that have to make it a statement that they are gay, really bugs me, if they are gay why dont hey ust shut up about it, well, unless that is the subject anyway, then its cool, but i cant stand gays that have to shout it about as a reason to why things arent going good for them.

Make it obvious also. irritating"

That's not a reason. That's just a long way of saying "I hate gay people". Like lovemerox said below him, everyone shouts about who they are.

I told you it wasn't a great reason.

Touche.

..says the man who chooses a hot male for his avatar.

like many things in the bible it is a Sin. :wink:

The picture is too small, black and white, and the lady holding it looks overweight.

The pictures makes me really mad, but its their opinion, and I cannot change it no matter how hard I try. But Algren saying that he hates homosexuals without giving a valid reason is just ignorant. Sorry dude, but get your head out of your ass, and try to make some sense of the subject.

Where's the "gluttony is a sin" picture?

Good one dude! =D>

Also looked like a pretty bad turnout for that anti-gay rally

All the rest of them where afraid of dirtying their white hoods.

Most of the laws confuse the hell out of you because they are rooted to a particular time, place, and need for identity formation that doesn't speak to today.

Leviticus 10:2-4
Speak to the Israelites and say: "I am Yahweh your God: You must not behave as they do in Egypt where you to live; you must not behave as they do in Canaan where I am taking you, nor must you follow theire laws.

That pre-empts Lev 18:22 (which I assume is what you are referring to?) and many other regulation which include rules against women offering themselves to animals, how to reap one's harvest, and hpw to cut one's hair. They are all rules having to do with Jews developing habits that distinguish them from every country they live in (again, this is diasporic a concept and I don't think rules from a couple centuries bc need be applicable today...we've clearly developed other habits for standing out). Again, if one reads Levitcus literally than they are going to come against alot of stuff we ignore nowadays...so its boing right back to selective and amnesiac readings...including dating the literature...and it is dated. We conveniently forget the first half of a sentence while preaching the second half, I don't buy it, and we definately need to stop using this as the be all end all definitive source of morality. Look how it swings both ways in the silly spanking tool issue. Its silly. There are some very profound sections in there that just get completely bastadized by religious institutions today (most of them, I'm assigning equal responsibility here).

Women back them offered themselves to animals Now that is fucked up!

its not like you dont rusty

If you're pissed about what I said in the "The Site" section it's a friggin joke. And I'm being serious here. Did women really do that in the oldies days? Is that where the old camel/man having sex jokes come from?

shit rusty i was jokin :wink:

well its not about actuality either, but Roman and Greek myth had such tales as the Minataur, in which 7 virgins were offered to the Bull/Man every year, etc. So the writing of these rules was also in direct response to other religious/spiritual mythology. They were trying to develop a completely different mind frame and form of literature, so their responce was not only to the actions of "Pagans" but also to "Pagan" religious texts, stories, and traditions.

This is in reference to the OT of course, the NT is had to go one step further and distinguish itself from Jews as well, so the concept of Virginity. lets say, really took a turn to the front. All the Jewish Matriarchs conceived in special ways, mostly being very old or having been perceived as infertile, but they all had sex. There was also a concept of divorce in Judaism of the husband failed to ingragnate the wife, etc. So Christians really made sex taboo and Church Fathers even had to write papers about it when they got into questions of human procreation. Hence the typical double Mary feature of Christianity, which exists in no other religion.

All religions identify themselves through opposition when nascent, why expect any of the writings of the Bible to be any different? People should just realize what they were and what purpose they served and move on.

Am I right in thinking there is a law in a Middle-eastern country that says you need a license to have sexual relations with animals? i.e. sex with animals is legal?

You're probably not right. I've never heard that, but the amount of bs that gets propagated about the Middle-East nowadays is shocking. You can pretty much get away with saying everything and not needing to source it. If you're heard that, please say where.

Most likely since the OT itself references Egypt it was referring to the mixed nature of their dieties. Their son god was half bird half man, and several were half cat, etc. Though honsetly, the best person here to ask about pre-biblical religions is Wertham. He knows tons about it, and will be much more able to answer you and Rsuty's questions than I.

My point exactly, look at how many of you gay-boys have showed up here to argue your case, somebody disses the gay community and the everybody jumps on them, quite literally, men on men, NO! men on women, yes.

tut tut

Dont get me wrong though, i do like some gay people (zach is cool, pink used to be cool, Rod has always been cool too, George Michael is cool), just not the annoying ones as i explained before.

Youre forgetting what is natural and what isnt. Men and "chicks" (as you say) is N-O-R-M-A-L, man and man IS NOT.