What...the...fuck? This sickens me. In NO way does the public's decision to reelect him imply they "liked" his Iraqi policy. Is that why the number of people who disapprove of his performance as president, CURRENTLY, is still above 50%? '04 was an election based on single issues. You've got the Christian Coalition on one end, and you've also got the pro-choice(ers) on the other. Some voted on their wallets, others voted on the economy, and others just wanted to vote against one of the two candidates.

If 3-ish percent accounts for the difference between able to hold a grudge and hold accountable for a FAULTY and MISGUIDED war, and the approval/majority as a whole individual is enough to simply say "I guess I'm not responsible for ANYTHING I do", then can we even consider calling him a reasonable man?

And a rock feels no pain...and an island never cries...in a DICTATORSHIP! Over 50% of us (yes. more than those that voted for Kerry) thought the administration was responsible for the effects of the war. We cried, we felt pain, and instead of being considered like the public SHOULD in a representative democracy, he insults and ignores us.

This is the definition of a black-and-white, rigid thinker. I'll proudly sport one of those rubber bands, now. I feel TEH R4G3!!!

The funny thing is that shortly before that he said he wanted to be more careful with his choice of words in his second term. I guess that just proves that dumbness just comes through every time no matter how hard you try

Yeeehaaa, another Reps vs. Dems thread, we haven't had any of those in a while \:D/

*slashes wrists*

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WAHOOOO WHO'S COMING ALONG FOR THE RIDE?

Come on, Lecter. Is that even appropriate? His statements are obviously going to lead to debate; the Dems aren't going to like him any more for it...he's just alienating the public more.

You mean the public that elected him? Besides that Dems would NEVER like him anymore. This is a fact. Honestly, I do think that there should be a thread created about all the miss-steps Bush has made where everyone can get mad over it and we won't need a new thread each time because frankly, anything Bush dies, the liberals obviously dislike. Which isn't a surprise considering that he is not liberal. It'd probably be the other way round if Kerry was elected and I'd react in exactly the same way.

Yes! Let's all just sit here and jerk each other off in "feel good" threads instead of engaging each other in intelligent conversation! What an idea!

:razz:

This is more about his character, though. You might not like Kerry's constant use-of-hands-while-speaking-endlessly-in-a-monotone, but, would he EVER say something like this?

I looked at RasmussenReports today to find info on his job approval, and, damnit, it's so frickin' depressing...

Did I approve or disapprove either?

But this "intelligent conversations" are becoming as predictable as a romcom starring Meg Ryan.

It all ends in the consensus: "Bush is a really bad president and an idiot" Most of the posters will just shale the heads and bring in comments like "OMG" or whatever...then occasionally a couple of Reps will jump in and say some words of defense and then they'll go too and it'll all end in the consensus I have stated above with nothing having been gained or lost.

That's not ture.

If he ever did something write I'd fully support him, but he's incapable of doing that it seems. (And actually, he has done like one or two things right during his time as president, but those don't redeem him as a good president.). In a way, I guess you're right, I probably would never like him, but tis because he's made such a mess out of the country (and pretty much the world) that any good that he did from now on is unlikely to balnce things out. Besides, he doesn't seem to realize that there are close to 300 million people in this country, not 55 million. Judging by his statements and his attitude. Soo, umm, is it too hard to see why so many people would dislike him?

Have you met Krem? With him here, no political topics end in the consensus you've created. He won't let it.

Well, see it the other round...I am fairly certain that if Kerry had won, the Reps would find something bad in what he says too, even though it wouldn't seem any wrong to the Dems.

Honestly, very few countries on earth have managed to divide the population as much into political believers of two parties as the USA did. I mean it's not like there aren't opposing political parties in other countries in this world...

And then Goldie will start a thread asking which is your favorite Meg Ryan romcom with a poll and no opinion. :razz:

That was for you Lecter

Peter Griffin: Uhh... y-yeah?

I'm an independent.

It is more that Kerry lost than Bush won.

Kerry like most current democrats did not stand for anything. Just being Bush lite is not enough. Kerry DID vote to give the authorization to this moronic leader to conduct an illogical and expensive war. He did not show leadership on that issue. That issue decided the race for Bush, since he made the race more about Kerry than himself.

Bush is a moron. So what? Kerry is a bigger moron for losing to him.

ROFLMAO. Great line at the perfect time X.

I brought up his name, but thought it'd be unfair to single him out, so deleted that part from my post. Basically, if Krem decides to defend the Reps in here, it'll end in an infinite case of "intelligence masturbation", an endless debate which no one will win and everyone will stick with their thoughts considering how persistant most people are.

Good man, you are

That only proves that he is being completely arrogant by not realizing that people didn't necessarily vote FOR him and what he has done so far, though :wink:

I don't even want to bring up the whole election, but Bush does...

I'm curious, though. How do people like this guy, outside of his politics?

Isin't this what all debates amount too, though? It's very rare when someone changes their opinion over the course of a single debate.

Not unless somebody ends the debate with an offer the other person/people could not refuse :wink:

Answer me this question: Would any amount of debates in this world persuade you that Bush is actually a good and smart president?

No, and that's what i'm saying. All debates amount to the "intelligence masturbation" you mentioned above. Normally, if someone is going to change their mind about something, they'll do so on their own time. Debates are just fun to engage in. If you honestly go in to one expecting to change someone's mind, you'll be seriously dissapointed. The best you can hope for is a thought to send them home with. Something that will get their brain working in your direction.

Also, this doesn't apply to just political debates. Movie debates, music debates, anything.....