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Gulli
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 Re: Atonement
loyalfromlondon wrote: Gullimont wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: I wouldn't call it poorly directed either. I mean, the film doesn't work because of the flat script and acting. But the directing was top notch, as was the overall production. What did you think of the ending? Not fair, I have a crush on Vanessa. I didnt find it electric, like others have. I sort of have an issue with ending films with narration or people addressing cameras/the audience. Aaaah I see, never knew you had an issue with that........................Now stare into Vanessa's eyes again, love this film and she shall romance you!! 
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Libs
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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This is a powerful, captivating film. Joe Wright expands on the promise he showed in Pride & Prejudice; Atonement is brilliantly directed and edited. As others have said, the first half of the film is more impressive than the second (the second half is still excellent, though). As the youngest Briony, Saoirse Ronan is superb; actress Romola Garai, who looks eerily like Ronan in the film, sympathetically plays her as a teenager; and, of course, the incomparable Vanessa Redgrave gives her usual wonderful performance as Briony in the film's epilogue. James McAvoy and Keira Knightley are both very good (although I'm not sure award-worthy) considering that Robbie and Cecilia are far less interesting than Briony. Two stylistic choices I loved in this film were the presentation of events through different perspectives (once through Briony and once through a more neutral one), and the musical score that incorporates a typewriter into its beat (clever). In addition, the ending perfectly connects the entire film and makes it very clear what Atonement is trying to say. This slides in as my #2 film of the year as of now. A
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Gulli
Jordan Mugen-Honda
Joined: Mon May 01, 2006 9:53 am Posts: 13403
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Libs wrote: This is a powerful, captivating film. Joe Wright expands on the promise he showed in Pride & Prejudice; Atonement is brilliantly directed and edited. As others have said, the first half of the film is more impressive than the second (the second half is still excellent, though). As the youngest Briony, Saoirse Ronan is superb; actress Romola Garai, who looks eerily like Ronan in the film, sympathetically plays her as a teenager; and, of course, the incomparable Vanessa Redgrave gives her usual wonderful performance as Briony in the film's epilogue. James McAvoy and Keira Knightley are both very good (although I'm not sure award-worthy) considering that Robbie and Cecilia are far less interesting than Briony. Two stylistic choices I loved in this film were the presentation of events through different perspectives (once through Briony and once through a more neutral one), and the musical score that incorporates a typewriter into its beat (clever). In addition, the ending perfectly connects the entire film and makes it very clear what Atonement is trying to say. This slides in as my #2 film of the year as of now. A 
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Bradley Witherberry
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Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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Libs wrote: This is a powerful, captivating film. Joe Wright expands on the promise he showed in Pride & Prejudice; Atonement is brilliantly directed and edited. As others have said, the first half of the film is more impressive than the second (the second half is still excellent, though). As the youngest Briony, Saoirse Ronan is superb; actress Romola Garai, who looks eerily like Ronan in the film, sympathetically plays her as a teenager; and, of course, the incomparable Vanessa Redgrave gives her usual wonderful performance as Briony in the film's epilogue. James McAvoy and Keira Knightley are both very good (although I'm not sure award-worthy) considering that Robbie and Cecilia are far less interesting than Briony. Two stylistic choices I loved in this film were the presentation of events through different perspectives (once through Briony and once through a more neutral one), and the musical score that incorporates a typewriter into its beat (clever). In addition, the ending perfectly connects the entire film and makes it very clear what Atonement is trying to say. This slides in as my #2 film of the year as of now. A QFT - - read this again in ten years...
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Magic Mike
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35248 Location: Minnesota
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Gullimont wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: I wouldn't call it poorly directed either. I mean, the film doesn't work because of the flat script and acting. But the directing was top notch, as was the overall production. What did you think of the ending? I didnt find it electric, like others have. I sort of have an issue with ending films with narration or people addressing cameras/the audience. Don't tell me it ends with someone addressing the camera/audience. I hate it when it's in a self-aware way, depending on the movie.
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thompsoncory
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:13 am Posts: 14626 Location: LA / NYC
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It doesn't do it in a self-aware way.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:52 am |
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snack
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Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:18 pm Posts: 12159
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Sigh...I don't know. I was never bored, but parts of this movie were really terribly done. The screenplay was atrocious. Absolutely horrible. It prevented any of the performances from shining, as there was simply nothing to work with. The only noteworthy turns were those by all 3 Briony's. Well, maybe Keira, but her character was written so horribly for the screen, that she couldn't escape one-dimensional stylization. James McAvoy is drop dead gorgeous, and becoming a better actor. The film was beautiful, but too impressed with itself. The score was good, not great, but I didn't like the typewriter thing. The story is great, but with the limited dialogue and running time, it all felt contrived instead of epic. I really think Joe Wright did a terrible job with this. But still, for some reason I liked it pretty consistently despite many obvious flaws. As far as awards go, I wouldn't go beyond a cinematography nom, possibly some supporting nods for the 2 younger Briony's, and maybe one for score (since it doesn't seem to be that strong a year).
Not sure what grade to give it.
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Libs
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Libs wrote: This is a powerful, captivating film. Joe Wright expands on the promise he showed in Pride & Prejudice; Atonement is brilliantly directed and edited. As others have said, the first half of the film is more impressive than the second (the second half is still excellent, though). As the youngest Briony, Saoirse Ronan is superb; actress Romola Garai, who looks eerily like Ronan in the film, sympathetically plays her as a teenager; and, of course, the incomparable Vanessa Redgrave gives her usual wonderful performance as Briony in the film's epilogue. James McAvoy and Keira Knightley are both very good (although I'm not sure award-worthy) considering that Robbie and Cecilia are far less interesting than Briony. Two stylistic choices I loved in this film were the presentation of events through different perspectives (once through Briony and once through a more neutral one), and the musical score that incorporates a typewriter into its beat (clever). In addition, the ending perfectly connects the entire film and makes it very clear what Atonement is trying to say. This slides in as my #2 film of the year as of now. A QFT - - read this again in ten years... Bradley, what the hell? That really pisses me off. Just because I had a different opinion of the movie than you did doesn't mean I'm going to "see the light" in 10 years and suddenly hate it. That is unbelievably condescending and ridiculous. Shut up.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:30 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Libs wrote: Bradley Witherberry wrote: QFT - - read this again in ten years... Bradley, what the hell? That really pisses me off. Just because I had a different opinion of the movie than you did doesn't mean I'm going to "see the light" in 10 years and suddenly hate it. That is unbelievably condescending and ridiculous. Shut up. That's an interesting interpretation of my post - - good 'ol Libs, straight to the hate - - but the alternative is that you might just as possibly be vindicated...
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:12 pm |
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Levy
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Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:06 pm Posts: 16054
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: How depressing! ...only I wish I was describing how this movie made me feel... ...but unfortunately, I'm reporting to you what an abject failure this movie ended up being. I love this kind of tragic melodrama, but yikes! Joe Wright, the director, sucked any goodness out of every scene with his trite storytelling choices. It is too precious by far. I guess they must have hired him for his pretty pictures, cause it all looked very nice. One thing's for sure - - it'ain't no Notebook!!! This movie could only dream of being a movie that came by it's emotion as honestly as The Notebook... The actors in Atonement were adequate, but even Keira Knightley, who has consistently impressed me (except for some unfortunate role choices... q.v. POTC2&3), here shows signs of slipping up - - she was not entirely consistent in her performance. And James McAvoy could rapidly become the new Orlando Bloom if he's not careful - - he's certainly gotta stop taking these effete roles. Oh well, at least he's got his Narnia series work as Mr. Tumnus to fall back on. This movie is a sad disappointment; it is a great idea horribly squandered. 2 out of 5. (BAD) Thank goodness. For a second I was afraid you could soil the movie by liking it
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Magic Mike
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35248 Location: Minnesota
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loyalfromlondon wrote: Mike wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Gullimont wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: I wouldn't call it poorly directed either. I mean, the film doesn't work because of the flat script and acting. But the directing was top notch, as was the overall production. What did you think of the ending? I didnt find it electric, like others have. I sort of have an issue with ending films with narration or people addressing cameras/the audience. Don't tell me it ends with someone addressing the camera/audience. I hate it when it's in a self-aware way, depending on the movie. Quote: "The Vanessa Redgrave thing at the end is the writer-giving you a kind of ['this is what it all meant' wrap-up] thing that you feel you ought to have as a moviegoer. ..it's kind of condescending, in a way, and I didn't like that at all." -- Boston Globe critic Wesley Morris on Joe Wright's Atonement That's pretty much how I felt about it. Didn't sit well with me. Oh man, I hate that. Why can't they just let the events speak for themselves? I don't like to be talked down to like I'm an idiot. Does the book do this too or not? Now I'm really worried about this movie with most people here not caring for it  . But I don't get how the reviews would be so positive if it really were such a mediocre affair.
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Libs
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Mike wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Mike wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Gullimont wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: I wouldn't call it poorly directed either. I mean, the film doesn't work because of the flat script and acting. But the directing was top notch, as was the overall production. What did you think of the ending? I didnt find it electric, like others have. I sort of have an issue with ending films with narration or people addressing cameras/the audience. Don't tell me it ends with someone addressing the camera/audience. I hate it when it's in a self-aware way, depending on the movie. Quote: "The Vanessa Redgrave thing at the end is the writer-giving you a kind of ['this is what it all meant' wrap-up] thing that you feel you ought to have as a moviegoer. ..it's kind of condescending, in a way, and I didn't like that at all." -- Boston Globe critic Wesley Morris on Joe Wright's Atonement That's pretty much how I felt about it. Didn't sit well with me. Oh man, I hate that. Why can't they just let the events speak for themselves? I don't like to be talked down to like I'm an idiot. Does the book do this too or not? Now I'm really worried about this movie with most people here not caring for it  . But I don't get how the reviews would be so positive if it really were such a mediocre affair. By the way, I highly disagree wit that quote about Vanessa Redgrave's thing being "condescending." It's a needed element to give the movie its power. Just go see the movie and don't worry about what people on here think about it.
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A. G.
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You guys don't have to be so vague. This is the section for spoilers, for talking openly about any detail you want.
This isn't directed at anybody in particular, just I've noticed a trend for a while of talking around major plot points in the review section as if people don't want to spoil things.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:08 pm |
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Libs
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Archie Gates wrote: You guys don't have to be so vague. This is the section for spoilers, for talking openly about any detail you want.
This isn't directed at anybody in particular, just I've noticed a trend for a while of talking around major plot points in the review section as if people don't want to spoil things. Well, I would speak freely normally, but Mike (who hasn't seen it and obviously wants to a great deal) is kind of hanging around.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:09 pm |
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Magic Mike
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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35248 Location: Minnesota
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Sorry.  I know it's a place where you can post spoilers, but people usually have enough courtesy to post spoiler warnings (and I think they should, even in here) and it isn't fair that someone who hasn't seen a movie yet can't see what his fellow posters are saying about it without fear of having it ruined for them. So I'm kind of having enough faith in people that they'll post a spoiler warning if they're going to give anything away. And yeah, I'll see the movie for myself. Maybe it will play out better in the actual movie than how it sounds.
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thompsoncory
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:13 am Posts: 14626 Location: LA / NYC
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I'm still kind of in awe over how phenomenal this film was. It's definitely a new addition to my favorite films of all-time.
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Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:02 am |
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snack
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Did anyone else find it ironic that Keira's big line was "Come back to me," which was Nicole Kidman's big line in Cold Mountain? The the movies seem to be headed to the same fate. Anyways, I think I've decided on a low B for Atonement, despite some very serious flaws. It won't make my Top 10.
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Rod
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A lot of people like The Notebook, which is fine. But...honest? It is one of the most manipulative movies so far this decade!
Saw Atonement yesterday. Pretty much what Libs said. Loved the final 10 minutes of the film. It was just a level below a masterpiece, but close enough which especially astonishing considering how difficult the material is to translate from page to screen.
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thompsoncory
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I fail to see the relation between this and The Notebook, aside from the young lovers angle 
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kypade
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I really loved it, too
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Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:27 pm |
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Mr. Inc
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B+. I wanted to love it, and I loved the first half, but the second half was a drop for me, in the quality until the ending which was great. This is the first big dissapointment for me, since I loved everyone invovled.
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Jim Halpert
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decent film but really nothing amazing. This is a huge letdown for me because I'm a big fan of everyone involved. The ending was really not all that surprising because it made sense, it had to happen. I don't understand all the love for the film. Though I'm sure the academy is going to love it.
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MadGez
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Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:54 am Posts: 23385 Location: Melbourne Australia
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loyalfromlondon wrote: C+ Just didn't move me. Pretty sets, pretty cinematography, pretty cast, and a pretty dull story. Am I broken?  No. Saw this today and I felt the same way. It didnt move me at all. Yes its very pretty, cinemetography is oscar worthy (the Dunkirk tracking shot Gulli mentions is amazing), great work from Macavoy, Kiera and the girl playing Briony but overall it left me a little dissapointed. Not the masterpiece I expected. Grade : B
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Did we see the same movie, guys? I don't remember being this moved since... well, probably since The Fountain. Expectations were very high - afterall, I'm one of those who thought The English Patient deserved all those Oscars 10 years ago.. I can admit I'm a sucker for big epic romances, when done right of course. So, call me biased, whatever. This is gorgeously refreshing. Refreshing not only because it's done in a way that doesn't feel the least bit forced, but also because it runs a little under 2 hours, which is very rare for a movie like this. And to get it right on top of that... it feels like the right time for such a thing. I'm glad they didn't felt the need to endlessly expand the whole 2nd act. And I haven't been that in love with someone, so imagine if I was, lol. And I'm not exactly a Keira Knightley/James McAvoy fan either... I guess they have just climbed a few spots in my personal list. I haven't read the novel, and heard it's one of those unfilmable novels. Judging by the end result, I beg to differ and I'm now curious to read it. One quick note: Romula Garai is being overlooked, I think. It'd be very difficult to put the 3 Brionys in the race I know. It's just that I felt her job is as good as Ronan's (and Redgrave's for that matter, even though one might think she gets the "easier" job of revealing all that stuff when the audience has already fallen over for the whole thing... or not!). I doubt I'll see a better picture this year.
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getluv
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A-/B+
The final 10 minutes saves the 2nd half of the film i think.
I think Romola Garai is being thoroughly overlooked as well.
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