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Joker's Thug #3
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 Re: Into the Wild
I don't know about celebration, especially towards the end of the film. Was it all in all more pro his decision? Yeah, but it's not one-sided.
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Dr. Lecter
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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I'll see, I'll see.
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Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:59 pm |
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Diesel
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Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 4:38 pm Posts: 1830 Location: Orange County, CA
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Should I see this movie guys? I really like Emile Hirsch, but Sean Penn is directing and I don't want to give him any money.
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Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:42 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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 Re: Into the Wild
This one was good, but unfortunately not nearly as good as the book - - I suppose because a lot of what's action in this particular story is going on inside McCandless' head.
GOOD.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Shack wrote: One thing, I thought Chris was kind of naive and self-indulged, particularily when dealing with his parents. I sympathized with them more than him for most of the movie, they had their problems but still loved the kid and tried to give him everything, but he was brutal to them, totally brutal. Not to mention he planned out his trip horribly, he should've taken the river into precaution, he should've brought a radio for total emergencies, he should've been more careful with the berries, etc.
Dr. Lecter wrote: By all the things I know, not all of them are as stupid, naive and brainless as that Chris guy. He really had no freakin' clue what he was getting into and got his paycheck right at the time. Your judgements have been registered in the great book of life, and your own misjudgements will be reflected upon you in the same measure. Personally, I don't believe you understood the quest, and have forgiven you both your hubris...
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Gulli
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Joined: Mon May 01, 2006 9:53 am Posts: 13403
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Shack wrote: One thing, I thought Chris was kind of naive and self-indulged, particularily when dealing with his parents. I sympathized with them more than him for most of the movie, they had their problems but still loved the kid and tried to give him everything, but he was brutal to them, totally brutal. Not to mention he planned out his trip horribly, he should've taken the river into precaution, he should've brought a radio for total emergencies, he should've been more careful with the berries, etc.
Dr. Lecter wrote: By all the things I know, not all of them are as stupid, naive and brainless as that Chris guy. He really had no freakin' clue what he was getting into and got his paycheck right at the time. Your judgements have been registered in the great book of life, and your own misjudgements will be reflected upon you in the same measure. Personally, I don't believe you understood the quest, and have forgiven you both your hubris... I'm sure they understand jackass stupidity well enough. Ill be seeing this next Friday but I know full well I'll find it hard to seperate the film from how truly retarded the main character was in real life. Hopefully the film itself is good thou, maybe I'll just pretend its fiction.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Gullimont wrote: I'm sure they understand jackass stupidity well enough.
Ill be seeing this next Friday but I know full well I'll find it hard to seperate the film from how truly retarded the main character was in real life. Hopefully the film itself is good thou, maybe I'll just pretend its fiction. You seem like a smart enough guy to know better than to speak about something you do not understand. McCandless made some extreme choices about how to live his life, but to assess him as "stupid" or "retarded", is frankly stupid and retarded.
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Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:59 am |
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Gulli
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Gullimont wrote: I'm sure they understand jackass stupidity well enough.
Ill be seeing this next Friday but I know full well I'll find it hard to seperate the film from how truly retarded the main character was in real life. Hopefully the film itself is good thou, maybe I'll just pretend its fiction. You seem like a smart enough guy to know better than to speak about something you do not understand. McCandless made some extreme choices about how to live his life, but to assess him as "stupid" or "retarded", is frankly stupid and retarded. I've gone into wild areas unprepared, beleive me Brad its a retarded thing to do. 
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Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:05 am |
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Shack
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Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40592
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I don't think Chris was necessarily stupid. Just naive, high on his own path. Didn't see what was in front of him till it was too late. Hence, it's a solid tragedy.
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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Wanting to live a life away from civilization and away from materialism is all fine. If it suits you, why not.
Doing so without any idea what you're getting yourself into is stupid. As simple as that.
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billybobwashere
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One of the most visually stunning, well-acted, and emotionally resonant films of 2007. Sean Penn's work here is outstanding, and considering he has the fact that he's an actor on his side, I think he has a great shot at grabbing a nomination for his work here [unless Affleck beats him to it for GBG]. But what surprised me most about this movie was Emile Hirsch. The guy has come a long way since "The Girl Next Door," and doesn't play such two-dimensional characters anymore. His performance here absolutely captured his character, and he never once fell out of character. The ending was terrific.
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INTO THE WILD: 10/10 (A+) The best film of the year, hands down. This film was absolutely heartbreaking to watch and the ending was incredibly disturbing and haunting. The cinematography and direction was phenomenal and deserves some serious Oscar consideration. All of the performances are great, especially from the great Emile Hirsch and Hal Holbrook. I'd be incredibly surprised if any movie is as great as this one. Everyone should see it. It's incredible.
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Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:17 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Gullimont wrote: I've gone into wild areas unprepared, beleive me Brad its a retarded thing to do.  Dr. Lecter wrote: Wanting to live a life away from civilization and away from materialism is all fine. If it suits you, why not.
Doing so without any idea what you're getting yourself into is stupid. As simple as that. Do either of you know McCandless' cause of death? It is likely that he died of poisoning from a fungus on the seeds of a wild tuber that prevented him from acquiring proper nutrition from foods he ate thereafter. This variation in this particular wild food is seasonal and is said to fool even local experts. It was a fatal mistake to be sure, but to call him retarded or stupid is simply untrue. It would be far more accurate to say that an urbanite who died in a car crash was retarded because he knew of the extreme risks involved in automobile transportation and yet recklessly chose to drive anyways.
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Dr. Lecter
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Gullimont wrote: I've gone into wild areas unprepared, beleive me Brad its a retarded thing to do.  Dr. Lecter wrote: Wanting to live a life away from civilization and away from materialism is all fine. If it suits you, why not.
Doing so without any idea what you're getting yourself into is stupid. As simple as that. Do either of you know McCandless' cause of death? It is likely that he died of poisoning from a fungus on the seeds of a wild tuber that prevented him from acquiring proper nutrition from foods he ate thereafter. This variation in this particular wild food is seasonal and is said to fool even local experts. It was a fatal mistake to be sure, but to call him retarded or stupid is simply untrue. It would be far more accurate to say that an urbanite who died in a car crash was retarded because he knew of the extreme risks involved in automobile transportation and yet recklessly chose to drive anyways. Quote: His official cause of death was starvation. Jon Krakauer forwarded the theory that McCandless died from ingesting the seeds of the wild potato (Hedysarum alpinum). However, after extensive testing, there remains no evidence that McCandless ingested any toxin from any source. All available evidence suggests that he simply starved. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_McCandless
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Bradley Witherberry
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Bradley Witherberry wrote: Gullimont wrote: I've gone into wild areas unprepared, beleive me Brad its a retarded thing to do.  Dr. Lecter wrote: Wanting to live a life away from civilization and away from materialism is all fine. If it suits you, why not.
Doing so without any idea what you're getting yourself into is stupid. As simple as that. Do either of you know McCandless' cause of death? It is likely that he died of poisoning from a fungus on the seeds of a wild tuber that prevented him from acquiring proper nutrition from foods he ate thereafter. This variation in this particular wild food is seasonal and is said to fool even local experts. It was a fatal mistake to be sure, but to call him retarded or stupid is simply untrue. It would be far more accurate to say that an urbanite who died in a car crash was retarded because he knew of the extreme risks involved in automobile transportation and yet recklessly chose to drive anyways. Quote: His official cause of death was starvation. Jon Krakauer forwarded the theory that McCandless died from ingesting the seeds of the wild potato (Hedysarum alpinum). However, after extensive testing, there remains no evidence that McCandless ingested any toxin from any source. All available evidence suggests that he simply starved. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_McCandlessHmmmm... let's see what else our old friend Wikipedia has to say on the subject: Quote: Toward the end of July, after apparently remaining healthy for more than three months, McCandless wrote a journal entry reporting extreme weakness and blaming it on "pot. seeds." As Krakauer explains, McCandless had been eating the roots of Hedysarum alpinum, a historically edible plant commonly known as wild potato (also "Eskimo potato"). , which are sweet and nourishing in the spring but later become too tough to eat. When this happened, McCandless may have attempted to eat the seeds instead. Krakauer theorizes that the seeds contained a poisonous alkaloid, possibly swainsonine (the toxic chemical in locoweed) or something similar. In addition to neurological symptoms such as weakness and loss of coordination, the poison causes starvation by blocking nutrient metabolism in the body. According to Krakauer, a well-nourished person might consume the seeds and survive because the body can use its stores of glucose and amino acids to rid itself of the poison. Since McCandless lived on a diet of rice, lean meat, and wild plants and had less than 10% body fat when he died, Krakauer theorized he was likely unable to fend off the toxins. Roots of wild potato were used extensively by aboriginal people, eaten both raw and cooked and used as a licorice substitute. Inuit hunters eat wild potato roots while hunting. However, when the Eskimo potatoes from the area around the bus were later tested in a laboratory of the University of Alaska Fairbanks by Dr. Thomas Clausen, toxins were not found. In the most recent edition of his book, Krakauer has slightly modified his theory regarding the cause of McCandless' death. He believes the seeds of the wild potato had been moldy, and it is the mold that contributed to the seeds' toxicity. The exact cause of the young man's death remains open to question. McCandless may simply have starved to death, a theory backed by the fact that McCandless weighed an estimated 77 pounds at the time of his death.
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Dr. Lecter
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Bradley Witherberry wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Bradley Witherberry wrote: Gullimont wrote: I've gone into wild areas unprepared, beleive me Brad its a retarded thing to do.  Dr. Lecter wrote: Wanting to live a life away from civilization and away from materialism is all fine. If it suits you, why not.
Doing so without any idea what you're getting yourself into is stupid. As simple as that. Do either of you know McCandless' cause of death? It is likely that he died of poisoning from a fungus on the seeds of a wild tuber that prevented him from acquiring proper nutrition from foods he ate thereafter. This variation in this particular wild food is seasonal and is said to fool even local experts. It was a fatal mistake to be sure, but to call him retarded or stupid is simply untrue. It would be far more accurate to say that an urbanite who died in a car crash was retarded because he knew of the extreme risks involved in automobile transportation and yet recklessly chose to drive anyways. Quote: His official cause of death was starvation. Jon Krakauer forwarded the theory that McCandless died from ingesting the seeds of the wild potato (Hedysarum alpinum). However, after extensive testing, there remains no evidence that McCandless ingested any toxin from any source. All available evidence suggests that he simply starved. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_McCandlessHmmmm... let's see what else our old friend Wikipedia has to say on the subject: Quote: Toward the end of July, after apparently remaining healthy for more than three months, McCandless wrote a journal entry reporting extreme weakness and blaming it on "pot. seeds." As Krakauer explains, McCandless had been eating the roots of Hedysarum alpinum, a historically edible plant commonly known as wild potato (also "Eskimo potato"). , which are sweet and nourishing in the spring but later become too tough to eat. When this happened, McCandless may have attempted to eat the seeds instead. Krakauer theorizes that the seeds contained a poisonous alkaloid, possibly swainsonine (the toxic chemical in locoweed) or something similar. In addition to neurological symptoms such as weakness and loss of coordination, the poison causes starvation by blocking nutrient metabolism in the body. According to Krakauer, a well-nourished person might consume the seeds and survive because the body can use its stores of glucose and amino acids to rid itself of the poison. Since McCandless lived on a diet of rice, lean meat, and wild plants and had less than 10% body fat when he died, Krakauer theorized he was likely unable to fend off the toxins. Roots of wild potato were used extensively by aboriginal people, eaten both raw and cooked and used as a licorice substitute. Inuit hunters eat wild potato roots while hunting. However, when the Eskimo potatoes from the area around the bus were later tested in a laboratory of the University of Alaska Fairbanks by Dr. Thomas Clausen, toxins were not found. In the most recent edition of his book, Krakauer has slightly modified his theory regarding the cause of McCandless' death. He believes the seeds of the wild potato had been moldy, and it is the mold that contributed to the seeds' toxicity. The exact cause of the young man's death remains open to question. McCandless may simply have starved to death, a theory backed by the fact that McCandless weighed an estimated 77 pounds at the time of his death.
Exactly, it remains open to question, but there is simply no evidence for the poisoning, except for the guy's diary (however, he probably didn't know much about the whole thing anyway) and another guy's theory which is based on that very same diary.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Exactly, it remains open to question, but there is simply no evidence for the poisoning, except for the guy's diary (however, he probably didn't know much about the whole thing anyway) and another guy's theory which is based on that very same diary. ...and what better reason could there be to call a man stupid! With the cause of death remaining open to question with no definitive autopsy results nor witnesses, I find the bias in your interpretation of those events to be very revealing...
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baumer72
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I think this is perhaps the best film of the year. It has been 4 days since i have seen this and it is still with me. Hirsch's performance is oscar worthy and Penn's touch is perfect. I don't care if this is different that the book, maybe Penn wanted to honour his memory a bit more than the book did. It doesn't really matter why it is different, the movie works. This is a story that needed to be told as I think this is something that many of us have thought about but have never done. Who hasn't wanted to just pack up and leave life behind? This is different than American Beauty, but it has a similar message and a similar effect on me.
10/10
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Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:39 am |
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kypade
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Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:53 pm Posts: 7908
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Does anyone know the name of the old man who lived in that hippy town?
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getluv
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B+
Enjoyable, but not exactly heartbreaking. I just find McCandless to be too much of an idiot to care about, which i think is why Hirsch's performance worked well. I also loved Jena Malone's narration and Catherine Keener's performance.
I'm glad I saw this.
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kypade
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Nah, the name of the actor who played the guy in the concrete village. He lived in like, a house made out of tires or something. Really leathered, orangey skin.
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The Mr Pink
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This is one of the best films I've ever scene. Its and honest, emotional, uplifting experience that stays with you log after the movie has ended. Penn has crafted a viusually and emotionally arresting film backed by a strong performance from Hirsch and outstanding cinematography, with Eddie Vedder providing a great soundtrack. Regardless of your personal views of Penn or McCandless, Into the Wild stands out as a truly exceptional film.
Grade: A
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hopefully keener scores another nod for this. she's so emotive and fantastic here.
and hal, of course. damn.
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MadGez
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Just saw this film last night. I cant stop thinking about it. Its one of those rare films that got better and better as it went on, with each new scene rendering more meaning to the previous ones. While he may be described as being harsh, stupid or naive - in the end he does grow up - even though its too late. I think its deliberate that the scenes where he interacts with the people he meets along the way are much better (more interesting) than when he is alone. Thats the point of the film really. Even though the wilderness adventure is fun, character building and awe inspiring - its only one part of achieving happiness and not the only way. Holbrook is indeed fantastic and so too is Keener (as always). Emile Hirsch - great performance for a guy who was in teen films just a few years back. Extremely good Grade: A to A+ (im still pondering)
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Did not like it at all. Hilariously pretentious, indulgently indulgent ultra crap (relative to the other Oscar contenders). It's an average movie. C
As for Oscars, it doesn't deserve any nominations with the possible exception of Holbrook. I love Keener as much as the next gay and she is pretty good as well, but her part is too small to legitimately deserve a nod. Emile Hirsch was not good.
Oh, and Sean Penn is a dick.
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