Probably a Woman president first, although I would rather see a Black President first. What about a Black Woman President? :razz:

:-k Well, I don't know... I mean as much as I hate to really say this, I just think that the World isn't ready for a Black President whether it's a Man or Woman... I think we've lived for the longest time with everyone associating a White Man as President and chances are, that'll probably be the Formula we stick to as much as I'd like to see a Woman President, but the chances of the Democrats supporting a Hillary Clinton run for the Presidency are slim..

Talking about the world isn't ready? I thinks it more about the American people not being ready for a black president, thats the bigger issue. I dont think a women president would be taken very seriously around the world aswell. So in that case a male president would be much more suitable disregarding colour. Although I doubt a black guy will succeed in running, but having a black guy will guarantee many more minorities voting.

Although your assassination comment is far fetched at best, I agree that we're more likely to see a women president in our lifetime, but I don't think either will happen. This has a lot to do with the fact that a lot of people are still subconsciously, quasi racist. People make racial jokes and don't think twice about it, but they'd never call a black person a "nigger" to their face. They feel uncomfortable around people of different races, but won't bring it up in public. These kind of people would never vote for a black president, and are unfortunately more prevalent than ever.

For women, they still have to deal with the idea that if they express their mind openly and are strong in their beliefs they are "bitches". This is why Hillary would never get voted in. People perceive her as a bitch, even though in reality she's just a normal person. If we ever see a female president, she'll probably be of the Stepford Wife-ish type. More of a mouthpeice for her husband. Until people become comfortable with the fact that women are just as smart, intelligent, and capable as men, I don't see a women getting nominated.

I'd rather see a competent president (with respect for the constitution to boot).

I can only imagine your dissapointment with the current administration. :razz:

If I had to either fully embrace or reject an administration based on that criteria alone, then yes. But the I would always be in the state of disappointment.

Obama has already made it perfectly clear than he will not run in 2008. He said that he intends to serve his constituents responsibly for the FULL term... as should they all.

Hillary would never get past the first few months of the primaries. Too many twisted GOPs have a pathological hatred for the woman and they'd probably set her up for one of their special Texas motorcades if they ever thought she had a hope on hell of winning.

The 2008 candidate for the Dems will be white, male, an openly religious Christian (Prot) and he WON'T be from the NE and he won't be a senator... but he WILL be conservative, you betcha.

Sadly, I think neither will become president in our lifetime. If i had to choose one, I would go with a black president being the fact that women are still seen as "inferior" to men..ect. It's funny, because I think a woman could do just as well in office as any man...perhaps even better because alot of times(mostly with our new-con presidents) it seems as if they have a testosterone build up and dont know what the hell to do with themselves.



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One day..one day...Boy how I would love to see a black female president

lovemerox, would you be OK with a (suppsosedly) neo-con black lady being the president?

Thought provoking and sad at the same time, since women are still viewed as property in many, many nations I think that will play heavily, and of course the opposing side would fully exploit that factoid. Based on this consideration I would say a man of color will be first. Also by 2010 Census 50% of people in the US will be non-white.

Besides this is all theoretical I would pick Obama over Clinton in a microsecond, WHO is an important consideration, your choices are or will be, is important if Kerry wasnt such an ass he'd be president now. I would vote for Hitler or Satan before I'd vote for Hillary, but many people like her. Kerry got a good deal of votes just because people hate Bush, if you pick someone with a personality who is likable (non-lawyer) they could easily be president.

But one day Obama will run and if he's still got that enthusiasm I can see him winning.

I'm leaning your way. I'm pretty sure we will have a black man in office before a white (or any color) woman. Look, there are many well known respected Black Men in higher positions in the government already. Powell (and remember in 1998 when people actually said they would consider voting for him if he ran?) and Obama is building steam (not in 2008, more likely 2016). Who are the big ladies today? Have there ever been? Not really. I think either is a long shot, but on a non-theoretical arguement, I'll say there are at least some Black Men that have a following in the country today, and I haven't really seen any women amass much power recently. Clinton will not run. Who else is left? Condoleeza maybe? But I doubt it. I'm giving it to Black Men on the Obama technicality.

Hey good point I forgot about Powell, he could have (maybe still) made a great running mate too. Ob is getting a following lets just hope it doesnt go to his head.

The premise doesn't work Kremmy. That would never happen :wink:

There's quite a large following among conservatives to elect Rice in '08.

I'm not sure. I really don't know much about her views...ect, other than she is a conservative. Do you know Krem? I would be interested in knowing...is she an extreme cons?

Yeah, I think I read a comment somewhere that pointed out how interesting it was (1998 campaign speculation) that people were so desperate for a good candidate that they even acknowledged they might vote for a man they would never even consider letting their daughters date (due to skin color of course). So there you have it... He actually could have been a very interesting pick. Moreso now actually than even back then. With everything that has happened, I'm pretty sure he's gained more respect for at least having some self-reflexive criticism about the past few years. The international community seems to still like him, which shows that its ok to make mistakes as long as one isn't an asshole about it still two years down the road. He also butted heads with everyone in the cabinet numerous times, including University of Michigan law school incident. He could probably still run as a VP. Who knows. I don't think he will, he stepped down optionally and is probably just getting tired of cleaning up after other people's errors. He also admitted that we pretty much look like fools now, and that he runs around the world doing damage control. However, he did visit the tsunami sites. Maybe he still has his eye on something down the road? I don't know.

@LMR, it could very well happen in the Republican party just as much as the Dems. I think that is unfortunate because I like to think of the Dems as being more sympathetic to women and minority rights, but that doesn't mean we're more likely to vote for one. Hey, we all like our wasps in this part of the world. Ultimately people are still going to vote for whose agenda they believe in, so Lizzy Dole had just as much chance of running as Hilary Clinton. You'd still vote for their political stances. Clarence Thomas is black...that doesn't mean he isn't every republican's wet dream of a judge.

What's an extreme conservative? No, she's not a Jerry Falwell type or anything like that.

Her positions generally reflect that of president Bush on foreign policy. I don't think she gets involved in domestic issues.

Yup, that's precisely my point. Some people will take the demographics into account, but for the most part it's the issues that matter to people.

We have to get past the racial and gender rhetoric. Take a look around: are there really any compelling black or women leaders? How do they compare to white male leaders?

Well that was exactly my poiint when I said a minority male would take office before a woman did. There are zero women with a massive following right now. As far as minorities, Obama and Powell definately, and Bill Richardson is getting alot of loving right now down in New Mexico and he's latino. So I still see a couple of charismatic men, but nothing on the ladies' side. Jen Granholm maybe? If she wasn't Canadian. But if they lift it for Arnold, maybe she'll try to run. I doubt it though.

Clinton from the left and Rice from the right do have strong bids for presidency. Now, Clinton won't get elected, but there's no "anti-Rice" sentiment on the left.

Either way, I think that person will be a Repulican.

What about a Jewish President?

The same people who subconsciously "hate" blacks are often the same ones who subconsciously "hate" Jews. Plus, a Jewish president would, once again, bring up the issue of Christ's crucifixation. You could even argue that Joe Lieberman's religion turned a FEW unreasonable people away from the Democrats' side and towards Dubya. Also, unlike women or African Americans, there just aren't enough Jews to account for a switch in sides; if there were a Republican African American running for the presidency, chances are the candidate could bring in votes from the other side solely because of his color (and...people switching of course, so I guess it'd even out in the end).

However, there are a couple Jewish senators (mostly Democratic...with the exception of Specter?) and Representatives (Canter and Coleman being the sole Republicans I can think of...). But, then again, these are mostly in blue states...