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Post Dave Chappelle's Sticks and Stones
He is catching a lot of heat for his LGBTQ and trans jokes, defending MJ

I thought it was hilarious. I don't remember his other Netflix specials being this funny

And on Sept 10, Bill Burr drops his to most likely start the outrage cycle all over again

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I thought it was great, he was blasting the pc crowd all through the act, he knows they are the biggest threat to stand up comedy right now so he let them have it.


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It's alright but the anti-PC thing could've been way more airtight (ala how Jim Jefferies took on gun control) - he just assumes there'll be enough viewers already thinking the same way. Which is why critics have dismissed it for the sake of a predictable/woke emotional response. Reading some of the reviews of his latest specials (the ones from 2017 too) is enough to make your blood boil: do progressive journalists even know what a joke is?

His earlier shows are way better from a comedy perspective, but the backlash is unequivocally fucked in the head. Do these idiots genuinely think the guy is transphobic? Are trans people in such a sensitive predicament they're suddenly exempt from all societal ridicule? What if there's truth to the sentiment that many trans groups, compared to the rest of the LGBTQ community, tend to be over-entitled? And wouldn't it actually take a lack of prejudice in order to criticise them for such a thing?

Loved the part about Louis CK. That bit, the argument was nailed. The rest he seems to find so hilarious that he ends up doing that turn-around/walk-away thing, where the joke was apparently too funny to continue, about 15 times. Plus the weightlifting bulk has made his face all expressionless and puffy - took a good half hour for signs of the old Chappelle to come through.


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I went into this assuming I would hate it, but I laughed. A lot. Some of it doesn't work, but a lot of it does. The turn around/walk away thing was old after he did it three or four times. 15 times doesn't feel like an exaggeration, he did it way too much.

A lot of his controversial stuff, as is the case with most stuff that takes a controversial stance, stems from two places: I know/like the person so they can't be in the wrong (Louis CK and Michael Jackson), or, I don't understand something so I'll make fun of it instead (trans people).

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I watched half of Bill Burr's new standup, I'll save the rest for today. First of all, instead of doing the Chappelle turn around/walk off thing, Burr laughs at the end of almost every joke. Is this a new thing where comedians can't contain themselves at their own comedy? I like Burr's older standup a lot, I don't remember him doing that, at least not so gratuitously.

The first half of the special is, predictably, going after Me Too, feminists and overall cancel culture. This is all fodder for a good, original take from a comedian, but Burr doesn't give one at all. It's the same, tired retread of the basic counter-argument against everything. If standup comedy from respected comedians is going to devolve into "Boy, this is making my job difficult now!" then maybe you weren't that good of a comedian. Find a new take on it. Or just avoid it. But don't take the broad take on it. You'll get laughs, but they're easy laughs.

Again... big fan of Bill Burr. But I was disappointed in his predictable standup.

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I found Burr's take on MeToo and feminism tired. Apart from how he's done all this already, mainly I think deep down Burr is not really trying to offend people. He wants to keep the persona of the men-inist comedian but not jeopardize his cushy multi millions lifestyle. He even went out of his way to be anti-Louis.

I enjoyed the second half of the special more when he freed himself of his anti feminism obligations. His bits about the blow up sex dolls was really good, as was talking about watching the Elvis doc with his black wife.

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Agreed, the special picks up when he stops talking about MeToo and feminism. His main feminism joke is a rehash of a George Carlin joke that was equally offensive but maybe struck a little better 30 years ago when feminism was still fairly new. And true to Carlin, the whole bit wasn't meant to downplay or punch down on feminism, he admits agreeing with much of their ideas but saying they take themselves too seriously. It's dated but it worked.

I just hope standup specials aren't required to open with 20-30 minute routines on how comedy is different now. It's not. It's still the journey to the same end game: making people laugh.

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I went into this assuming I would hate it, but I laughed. A lot. Some of it doesn't work, but a lot of it does. The turn around/walk away thing was old after he did it three or four times. 15 times doesn't feel like an exaggeration, he did it way too much.

A lot of his controversial stuff, as is the case with most stuff that takes a controversial stance, stems from two places: I know/like the person so they can't be in the wrong (Louis CK and Michael Jackson), or, I don't understand something so I'll make fun of it instead (trans people).


The more he does it the weaker the performance seems. Had a similar take to the first paragraph: laughed out loud a couple of times and was in the chuckle zone for most of it, but by the end it all seemed sorta self-involved, and in a bad way - at the expense of better jokes. I think a comedian once said something about having to reinvent themselves every time they walked on stage, and you get a sense that Chappelle doesn't think that way; like he's already proven himself, so now presenting his act more like a philosopher than a stand-up. By the end, even though he's more animated, there's a kind of cumulative effect from all those fucking turn-arounds, and the wasted space where he's roaring with laughter at himself, like it's the first time he's ever heard the material before. The jokes needed way more bite to justify how self-congratulatory everything gets - but that one about the audience being the problem was pretty bang on.

He seemed more focused on #metoo writ large than CK in particular (more of an example to the bigger point) - he'd already brought it up in (I think) Equanimity, and in that show he did make a point of stating Louie was wrong, that the women were right, and so on - I don't think it's just a matter of their being buddies. CK's issue is way more nuanced than the rest; consent might've come with some pressure involved, but it was still given; no laws were broken, and he'd already apologised to the women personally. If that stance doesn't gel with you, then likely Chappelle will look to be defending out of bias; but maybe the "bias" is just that he's more motivated than another bystander would've been, simply because they're pals.

Curious as to how the logic/sense of Chappelle's routine comes across to people that disagree with him. He doesn't actually back the MJ defense up at all; something he seems sort of proud of: "I don't think he did it...I just don't" - working hard to improve his philosophy cred, obviously. He gets more into the legality when talking about Louie's situation, does a better job of teasing out the juxtaposition being avoided by the media so far: between Louie's simple deviance, and the social bloodshed of Weinstein and co. The more comedians defending him the better if you ask me. But yeah, the show itself isn't very well written at its best, so none of this stuff matters that much. If it had more wom spread then maybe, but DC might be getting over the hill.


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I found this to be very funny. I didn't have a problem with any of the running back at the end of the stage laughing. That's just how he is. My only complaint was that it was too short and ended a bit abruptly.

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Did anyone watch the new Louis CK special? I thought it was some of his best stuff, honestly.

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Not yet, but I'm going to.

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Is it on netflix?

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I think he just posted it on his website for $8

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Here's what I'll say about the Louis CK special. It's really funny, typical Louis CK stuff. In a better timeline, he would have been as close to a George Carlin as we have today. And best of all, he doesn't do the tired "I'm a comedian and I can't be funny any more!!" bit that Chappelle and Burr both did while cashing big Netflix cheques. I kind of expected he would. If anything, he has more of a right to since he can only sell his special on his website.

I'm still so disappointed in his response to the whole thing though. I feel like I'm promoting the idea that time and distance will forgive people of their sins. His indiscretion was not as bad as it could have been, so an apology and acknowledging his part in being a successful person and using that power over people being wrong would have likely absolved him. I'd imagine he would say "Oh but no apology is good enough for some people", which is true, some people just want to blame someone forever, but it's not true of most people.

And I'm not even sure if he gets what was wrong with what he did. He makes it sound more like it's bad he likes women to watch him masturbate. And he trivializes the idea of consent. That's not the issue, Louis. Not realizing someone with less star power than you is not OK with it and then trying to get that person blacklisted afterwards is the issue.

Also, I may be generalizing, but I can't imagine there are a ton of women that find it enjoyable to watch a man masturbate. Just assume it's not their fetish, Louis.

Anyway, I'm a hypocrite. I have all these issues with him, but I still watched and laughed at the special.

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I can't bring myself to watch it. And I used to love his stuff.

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I can't bring myself to watch it. And I used to love his stuff.


Yeah it's rough. Especially when he at first references the subject, then does a whole bit about it.

A lot of his comedian and celeb friends have said he should be able to continue standup and be forgiven, which suggests maybe he does feel bad about what he did and speaks on it privately? Or it's the ol "Well, he didn't do it in my presence, so he must be OK" thing.

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Honestly I don't mind if he still sells new stand-ups on his site, etc. And if a comedy club owner is fine having him perform, so be it. But those are all choices that will have consequences until he finally admits and apologizes for his mistakes. It's just really disappointing because he seemed like the type that could reflect and see what he did was wrong.

I even struggle to go and watch the new Chappelle because it seems like a lot of his stuff is just stale now.

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I'll check it out eventually. Louis is a moral quagmire, but its not like he is in the same tier of sexual predator as a Weinstein or a Cosby or even a Spacey. More like James Franco, who will be back at some point, but his rotten behavior probably cost him an Oscar.

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Louis has lost tens of millions, his reputation, the legacy of his TV show and probably his dream of the next stage of his career as a Woody type filmmaker. He’s not a great guy, but on the other hand, at some point I think justice has been served. Someone like Harvey will never pay a price deserving of what he did, but for asking women to jack off in front of them, it seems more reasonable that he’s already gotten what he deserves.

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Nobody is entitled to millions of dollars. He didn't "lose millions". He just... didn't make more millions.

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Yeah, I didn't really care much when I read how much money he lost out on, as if anyone really cares. I'm sure he's not living paycheck to paycheck. And that doesn't equal anything he did to deserve it. Apples and oranges.

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Do we really think that people change after living with a singular mindset after so long? That's where I believe the problem with rich/famous people comes and I'm tagging Louis in this. He'll eventually start doing the same thing but being more careful figure out a loophole in the system.


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I think it's fair to say it's not as bad as Weinstein, but it's equally fair to say it's still a shitty thing and he knew what he was doing. Asking lesser-known comedians if he can masturbate in front of them. That puts the idea in their head that if they go along with it, he'll trust and like them and possibly help them in their career. And can't say no or he'll get angry and blacklist them.

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