They were pushing Micheal-Sun a bit last year, though they dropped it off as the season went on.

I think the next one to die is a major. Jack or Sawyer.

Yeah, Libby I think, I definitely think she's probably gone unless she has a romance with one of the leads, say Michael or something of the sort.

I may just have been spoiled from BtVS/AtS, but when a character starts out as a one-dimensional "bitch" or "loser" or something along thos lines, they have tremendous potential to become someone completely different. Look at Wesley in S3 or BtVS vs Wesley in S5 of AtS, or Cordy in S1 of BtVS to Cordy in S3/S5 of AtS, Andrew in S6 of BtVS to S7 of BtVS, and other as well. Many things could have happened to her in the coming seasons and if she were still alive by the time the show ended she could have picked up a lot of things from Kate, or Sun, or Locke, etc. Whereas with characters like jack, Kate, Locke, Charlie, etc they are still going to be roughly the same people they were when we met them only changed a little, but someone like Shannon had TONS of potential to grow in many ways, especially after Boone's death and her relationship with Sayid, as she finally found someone who believed in her and loved her, but now that is all done, and for what? "Shock" value?
I don't the whole "but he's a doctor" aspect about jack either. Does that make him safe forever? Sun seems competant and people have survived on islands before without doctors. He has already had soooo much backstory, why not kill him for "shock" value and then let someone else get some attention.

I couldn't agree more... while I enjoy season 2, it was so much more when I was watching season 1 on DVD. It was nice to be able to watch as many as you wanted in a row, with much better picture and sound. I noticed the waiting weeks between shows seems to make me lose interest, or even forget exactly what was happening to the many different characters.

I don't think Libby will be disposed of that quickly, Cynthia Watros was added to the main cast list.

WHO said anything about Jack being safe forever? I said that, as of RIGHT NOW, the castaways still need him. I didn't say that I think he'll be safe forever. In fact, I do think that he'll die before the show comes to an end. Sun is competant, but you also said she should have been killed instead. So you're not making any sense. And who cares if he's had so much backstory -- it's because his character and the complexities of who he is allows for the multiple backstories. There is no need to give four backstories on Shannon just to explain why she's a spoiled bitch. We only had one backstory on her (two, if you include the shared one with Boone), and it told us all we needed to know about who she was prior to the crash. There are also still a lot of unanswered questions left about Jack -- what happened to his wife, etc. that need to be explained. There were no loose ends left with Shannon's killing. Besides, Shannon would never be able to fill the void if Jack was to be killed, so the attention wouldn't be focused on her. It would more probably be focused on Sun who could potentially take over his role, and Kate who would be dealing with the death. Shannon would still be background scenary.

I agree. The people who have minimal importance are the ones dying, and I think it'll still be that way for a bit. I think it's too soon to kill off Jack, Locke, Kate, Sawyer, or any of the other bigger castaways.

Yeah, I forgot about the vegetable garden, thank . And, yeah, I agree, I think Sun-Jack would be a nice couple if Jin wasn't around. They're very similar personality wise and I think they would fit together nicely.

Although, I do like the Kate-Jack little love story thing they've been teasing us with since season one. I like the way they writers have handled it as well. Like when Jack got stuck in the cave in in The Moth (I think), and when he got out how Kate just ran to him and hugged him. Or when Jack helped Sawyer and gave him reading glasses, and Kate thanks him for doing that for him (Sawyer) and Jack says that he didn't do it for Sawyer. Just the way they handle their relationship is cute. Like the awkwardness that they had when he catches her coming out of the shower. In reality, I think that Jack could have Kate if he wanted, but he holds it back as well, and I like the way that it works.

Yeah. If you had asked me last season, I would have bet you a million bucks that the Sun-Jin fight that occured was to lead up to Sun and Michael having a romance.

An article on the EW website has said that they think that Libby might be one of the "others", which is pretty interesting. There are a lot of things that could make it possible, since she is a clinical psychologist and the Dharma corporation was by clinical psychologists and when Cindy disappeared, she was the last one close to her and Cindy handed her the bag right before she was taken. It'll be interesting if this turns out to be true.

I didn't say that Sun should have been killed instead, i was just naming people who also had nothing to do this season, i like Sun and think she is interesting. Obviously we think differently, i don't see Shannon as a spoiled bitch and that is all she was and ever would be. I saw a lot of potential with her character, moreso than jack, to change. She wasn't always a spoiled bitch. In her episode we saw that she wasn't handed everything. Her dad paid for her apt sure, but she needed to get that internship on her own merrits, and she did. If she was a spoiled little rich girl then her daddy would have just bought it for her. She really wanted that intership and worked for it and was screwed out of it by her evil stepmother. I also think that her stepmother offred Boone that really great job so that he would leave NY and so that Shannon couldn't even stay with him, i do think that her stepmother would be that evil. I don't think that Shannon would have filled the void of jack if he died, i think that many characters would have had more to do. Sun, Claire, Libby, and Shannon as well. jack gets sooo much backstory as if anyone is really that interested in jack. This isn't just my opinion, i go to these forums and about 4 or 5 others where jack is either tolerated or hated. He is hotheaded and a real jerk a lot of the time. As i said his death would let other characters shine, as opposed to jack getting more and more eps for him while others have 1 or none. Shannon's death was needless and it seems as though the writers got this batch of new characters that they cared more about and found more interesting as they are new and shiny, so they pushed a lot of S1 characters to the background. Sayid was in every single episode of S1, now we are only 6eps into S2 and he has already missed 2 of them. Shannon missed 2 or 3 eps in all of S1 but she missed 3 or the 6 in S2. Sun also, she missed 2 or 3 eps in all of S1, while in S2 she has already missed 3 and there are still at least 16eps (maybe more) for her to be left out of. Out of all the new characters introduced this season Eko is the only who who seems interesting and Libby seems like there could be something worthwhile there. Bernard is just there in the background, and ana is the single worst character on the show (she managed to beat out jack for that honor).
My frustration is with all of these things, but the catalyst for all of this was Shannon's pointless death.

Makes sense. She's the only one of the entire list of survivors that actually looks like she's been on a deserted island for almost 50 days.

I don't see the need to keep killing off characters.

The writers justified it last season by saying it has to be somewhat real and some people have to die to make it a more grounded and engaging show.

But the deaths so far have been wasted in my opinion. When they say they need people to die to add reality-- I think they already established the island isn't founded on reality. And the deaths haven't even been at the hands of the others or the island or the "monster". They have both, somewhat, been at the hands of the other survivors and both times unintentionally... I think that's pretty messed up!

Indeed makes sense. Remember Ethan Rom infiltrated the one group. Possibly, Libby infiltrated the other.

Warning guys: Lost is going to run 65 minutes Wednesday:

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/listi ... 51110abc03

How dumb.

But it's EXTENDED, Libs! 5 more minutes of Michelle Rodriguez snarling at everything! What could possibly be better?

Why do you think it's dumb?

I don't see the purpose of adding 5 extra minutes. I mean, Lost has enough commercial breaks that ABC could probably afford to splice one of them, therefore reducing the need for the extra 5 minutes.

All it will do is mess people's TiVos up, haha.

It's not 5 extra minutes, it's 23 minutes. A normal Lost episode (or any 1-hour show) is 42 minutes long. This 65 minute show with commercials will probably clock in at an hour and a half.

EDIT: Or maybe not. I read the article and it's 9:00 to 10:05. That is dumb.

Instead of going 5 minutes longer (what si the point of that) just make it without commercial break... that will keep people from turnign to other shows!

I don' think their goal is to give us more, it is to try to force people to watch Invasion by having the show run past the hour so that by the time it ends other shows have already started and people will stick with Invasion rather than join Law and Order or another show 5+ minutes into it. It's basically trying to help their post Lost time slot by using Lost.

Which makes me rethink my criticisms of the show. If the network can have that much influence over the creative aspect, who knows what else they asked for. Maybe some of the things that bug us are not from Abrams end but from network demands.

It'll probably be about a minute longer, if that.

Oh, and when I rewatched this week's episode, Sayid looks at Walt first, and then Shannon looks. I say he saw him. Or... did we already come to that conclusion?

And, am I to understand this week's episode is a second pilot? Will there be anything with Shannon and what-not, or is this the equivalent of those Survivor recaps, where they try to cram 30 days into one episode. Except... it'll be all new to us. And stuff...

I read some stuff at IMDB boards...

Maggie Grace will not be returning to the show apparently, I read.

There are no deaths planned for near future.

Are there any reliable links or sources? Because... not to say that you're wrong... but IMDb is far from reliable, especially if we're talking message boards. Then again, there's not a whole lot for her to do. Since Boone is dead, too. So, no more flashbacks.

I believe that what is said here is pretty reliable. It sounds pretty reliable.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/boa ... d/28063670