What is that supposed to mean? Jen won HOH? Kaysar is out? Something else? Who's still in?

PEACE, Mike

Yes. That surely doesn't bode well for the Outcasts. Stupid Howie.

God, this sucks. I really doubt Jennifer is going to break apart from Maggie and Ivette, although with no Cappy, maybe she'll feel safer with the Outcasts? I doubt it. I see James and Kaysar on the block, or James and Howie.

*Spoilers*

If Kaysar is out, then that means only Rachel is left. Go Rachel! You're a strong girl. You can do it. Maybe because she knows Howie she can ward off his immature acts and focus. lol. I wouldn't be surprised to see Rachel win it. Here's hoping Jennifer is out soon, and then Ivette goes, and it's between Maggie, Rachel and James. That's 3 powers. The Core, The Outcasts, and James. lol.

PEACE, Mike

Are you sure? I thought Jennifer won HOH. I read that from a site, but I might be wrong.

Oh, so mdana's comment DID mean Jennifer won HOH. Okay. I was just confused, because he said only "Jen beat Kaysar", which is a weird thing to say if she won HOH, because she beat everyone then.

This sucks, then. Booo Jennifer.

PEACE, Mike

Spoilers-They were the last two standing, so I typed Jen beat Kaysar. I was just referring to the HOH competition. Howie has been up in the HOH room all day trying to ingratiate himself.

How exactly did that happen? With Kaysar and Jen left, how the heck does Jen win? Did Kaysar slip? I don't see Kaysar giving up.

PEACE, Mike

I actually think Howie's work as HOH might have ended up being good luck. James winning the veto was the best thing. The outcasts kept their loyalty with the core to go after James, and voted out his girlfriend Sarah. Now this week, The Core has to keep their deal and go after James again. They all agreed to go after James before eachother. So like Mr. X said, I hope this is the case, and the outcasts are fine for another week. They can just win HOH next week. Hehe.

PEACE, Mike

Spoilers:

Kaysar and Jen were the last standing. Kaysar made a deal with Jen -- if she nominated two of her own people in order to backdoor James, he would let go of the button. Jen agreed. After, she told April she lied to Kaysar, and is in no way nominating two people from her side. Which means it will either be Janelle/Rachel, Howie/Janelle, or Howie/Rahcle up on the block and playing for veto so one can win and come off and put James up and vote him out. It sounds like a good idea, but I worry because 1. you never know when big brother wants to fuck things up and make it no-veto week and 2. there HAS to be a FEW double evictions at one point. A lot of websites are reporting that the show ends September 20th -- the HGs have also said CBS told them that they won't need them past the 24th of Sept. Doing the math, that leaves only FIVE evictions left -- and only five evictions leaves the final week with five people as opposed to two. So that means that they can throw out double evictions any time they want.. which is why it was imperative for the outcasts to win HoH this week, because if it IS a double eviction, then James goes, and another one of the outcasts go, too. And then they'd be back down to only having three people.

Jennifer. I don't mind James going now, since it seems the house is still deadset against him, so it was James either way.

And, it better not be a no-veto week, or I'll be pissed. Sounds like a scheme Big Brother would concoct, too.

I think this might be the week they go with no power of veto competition. Spoilers- So this will screw the Sovereign, because Jen will hold off on putting James up until after the POV (which won't occur) and one of the others will go down automatically. Kaysar was stupid to trust Jennifer, the contestants are stupid to trust anyone except their own partners and even then you have to trust their judgement. I wouldn't trust any of them with making the right decision. Really if they want James to go, put him up now and gang up on him if there is a POV, eventually they will be able to take him out. His luck can't run forever (or can it?)

Jen really strikes me as someone who's playing has not gotten the credit or attention it deserves. Jen and April can destroy the Sovereign, while the Sovereign focus on Maggie and Ivette and sabatoge themselves. Jen and April get away with murder week after week, yet never suffer any repurcussions. I think they are going to take it down to the end with Beau (using him for votes) and then cut him loose. Beau couldn't win HOH if he was the only one in the house, the fruit fly would beat him.

Spoilers:

Wow. What a monumental fuck-up. Why the hell would you stay in there for over 10 hours and then just give up, especially considering the position Kaysar was in just returning to the house. Yeah, sure the group of losers promised to finish the job and get James out, but the fact is is that it's just one more week that those idiots go without losing a single member. And frickin James would have sided with the outcasts, so they are hurting themselves in every way possible. Kaysar could have had endless possibilities in who he put up, were he to win HOH and instead he has to trust the word of frickin Jen. Of course this can all be traced back to Howie's giant fuck-up while in power, that will go down as one of the dumbest moves in the show's history. Ahh, what could have been .

*Spoilers*

I cannot believe Kaysar gave it up! It was just the two of them left, and Jennifer could have easily given up, since she is cozier in this house than probably everyone. Nobody is going after her.

Damnit Kaysar. Damnit.

Spoilers


Kaysar should never have believed Jen, and that's his mistake that he's made over and over -- he puts too much trust in people.

James is already working Ivette, telling her that he doesn't understand why they keep going for him, meanwhile they're finally getting to see the way that the Outcasts "truly are," so why won't they go for the Outcasts. Ivette bit, and ran up to HOH and starts defending James, and proceeds to defend James and her and April start trashing Janelle and Rachel. Jen is telling everyone she doesn't want to talk about her nominations, and she's not talking, but they keep bashing Janelle and Rachel quite loudly, and Jen started to participate, too. I'm thinking she'll nom Janelle and Rachel, and even if veto IS won, she won't put up James. They seem to really want Rachel out, then Janelle. She won't nominate Kaysar or Howie because she said she really does like both of them (evident by her crying one night when Howie was ignoring her all day).

Jennifer should be smart and use this HoH to nominate her own people and get one of them gone so her and April can join the Sov. 4 and become the Sov. 6 again so it can be six of them versus two of the core versus one floater (james).

Spoilers-I was watching House Calls the Friday edition w/Sara, and Sara stated something I suspected. Howie and Rachel threw the shuffleboard/bowling HOH competition to get rid of James and Kaysar. Watching I thought there was no way they could be that bad, and Sara stated they both threw it way too hard to stay on the board. Those two fuckers were always the true backstabbers of the sovereign six. They just wanted to have everyone think they were on board so they could surf behind them as Maggie and Co. went after James and Kaysar. Sara also stated Howie was the most insecure person she had ever met. She didn't know what was going on between Howie and Beau (Howie keeps coming onto Beau and last night Beau got drunk and started coming onto Howie and Howie had to calm Beau down). She thinks he is just trying to kiss everyone's butt, but Marcelus thinks Howie is literally trying to kiss Beau's ass.

Jen would be stupid to get rid of some of her team, because no one suspects her of being a threat on the other team (although Sara was starting to get a clue before she left). Both Jen and April can coast another 3-4 weeks before they even come up on the radar and by that point there may only be 2 sovreigns left. Wouldn't it be ironic if Kaysar was out the same week he came back? It would serve him right for continually trusting the wrong people.

Umm, just because SARAH said that they threw it doesn't mean they did. If anyone threw it, it was Sarah, who, like an idiot, threw her ball right down the center of the ramp towards the middle hole. Rachel, unlike Janelle and Maggie, did not practice at all the night before. She said she wanted to just give a couple of throws to get the feel of the ball and that's it -- and that's exactly what she did. No surprise she over shot. Howie didn't practice either -- he just stood around and watched Janelle practice. Not only that, you don't know how nerves will factor into your throws -- you're live infrotn of 8 million people with only one shot to make it work. It's all luck. Plus, besides for Janelle and Maggie, everyone overshot -- so did THEY throw it too? And Howie and Rachel are in no way "the true backstabbers of the severeign six" because never once did they sell out any member of their team like Sarah and James did. Sarah on housecalls AND in the house was playing little Ms. Nice Girl saying she never went up to the HoH room and that she told Maggie, "I don't want to go up there because I don't want to sell any one out" --- yeah, she said that, but the next day, right before the PoV, she went up there anyway and told them how Howie and Kaysar are the masterminds of the group and then told them everyone they planned to evict and in what order. Yet, of course, she has selective memory and chooses to forget she did those things. And even when Maggie had HoH, never ONCE did Rachel or Howie give out the names of who they should go up. In general, Rachel never gives away any information (which is a major reason why the core hates her), and Howie would never, ever sell out Janelle and Kaysar.

And what does Howie wanting to be friends with everyone prove? It's a GAME and he doesn't want to lose -- of course he's going to kiss ass. They all kiss ass. If that's his strategy, and it works, fine for him. You can't hate him for wanting to be liked. And who cares if he flirts with Beau? That's his decision. And him flirting with Beau and being nice to the Core is not backstabbing his alliance in any way.

And, IMO, Jen would be stupid NOT to put up atleast one person from her team because if she breaks her word to Kaysar, Kaysar is going to be like, Fuck Maggie, and she's going to be number one on his list -- especially if Janelle or Rachel go home instead of James. As soon as someone from his side would get HoH, her and April would automatically be up on the block. The only people who would benefit from her not putting atleast one of her own people up are Maggie, Ivette, and Beau because them three would become secondary to getting Jen and April back for lying.

The whole thing with Howie coming on to Beau is strategy, no doubt, in my opinion, and it's a really good strategy. Getting people to like you makes them want to go after others before you. Howie being friendly with Beau and coming on to him reminds me of when Roddy was friendly with Marcelas, and stripped down to his underwear to sit around the hottub with him. It's a very smart strategy, and gets the gay guy on your side.

PEACE, Mike

The nomination ceremony is nominated. The two people nominated are:
Janelle and Rachel.


Kaysar is pissed off about this, he is in HoH with Jen right now.. he says he feels like he got nothing out of this after he willingly let go of his button.... his own fault though.. and I have a bad, bad feeling that Janelle or Rachel are going bye-bye this week.

Kayser said his strategy is based on chess and that he always thinks two moves ahead which is why I thought he had to have had a solid agreement with Jen if he let her win HOH. Kaysar was either tired or he's not as smart as I thought he was as trusting Jen was a very bad move on his part. If there is no veto this week then either Janelle or Rachel are gone. Even if there is a veto Jen has already lied about the nominations so there is no guarantee her group will backdoor James. Jen can leave the nominations as is or she could put up Kayser and get him out of the house. Really bad move Kayser.

The only one getting backdoored this week is Howie: either by Beau's chocolate PP (his continuous description not mine) or by Jen. The outcasts deserve all the shit they are getting for being so stupid and gullible. Freaking morons especially Howie and Kaysar. Jen never made the agreement with Howie and Rachel, so I don't know what those two were thinking last week. I told you they got nothing out of the agreement.

Greasedlightning you are right about Sara being suspect, but so is every contestant. They will always tell you their version of events. Why do you think Sara dumped the contest? She knew James would be on the block and the most obvious move would have been to put up her and James. I think she choked because she was last. She had to do better than Maggie who got extremely close and that is difficult when you have everything riding on your attempt, much more difficult than it was for Howie, Rachel or Janelle who went earlier in the competition and didn't have the pressure of having to beat such a good attempt.

Remember Howie sold out both Eric and James, and voted against Kaysar after telling him differently. James has not done anything to take any of the sovereign out (he talked about it and talking was allowed under the agreement, but didn't actually do anything), Howie does every week. James has voted for Kaysar and Sara, Howie voted for Janelle and Ivette. James is the only one that has voted for the Sovereign and their leader, the other three voted out their leader and voted out one of their group. How much more disloyal can you be? Howie ran up to hang out with Jen in the HOH as soon as she won, just like he did with Kaysar. I don't understand why you and MikeQ keep defending the one a-hole that screwed the sovereign the worst, more than Maggie ever could have on her own. He is a traitor and if you like Kaysar, Rachel, and Janelle you have to realize he screwed them as much as James ever could have hoped. Much of it is Kaysar's fault too, because he really didn't realize how many backstabbers he had in his group, and he was too fixated on James to see the dangers that Howie presented. Remember, I used to hate James. He was definitely my least favorite of that group, but Howie is such a complete a-hole that he has made James likable, which I never would have thought possible two weeks ago.

I can pretty much bet my life on Howie NOT being backdoored. I really don't know where in the world you are getting that idea. Not only does Jen have a soft spot for him (last week, he ignored her the whole day and she went up to the HoH and cried), but Jen hates Rachel more than anyone. If a veto is not won, her and the rests of the Core already decided on voting on Rachel. They hate her, and they said if they get HoH next week, she's their number one target.

Howie sold out Eric, sure -- but he was never part of Eric's alliance. Eric and group were the ones who turned on him -- after Kaysar won HoH, Howie went to congratulate him and talk to him in the Gold Room, and Eric later proceeded to tell him to "watch his back" because he was a target. Howie had no allegience to Eric. And Howie sold James out too, but not only was it justified, and better for his game because now he has no worries of James coming after him if he goes home, it also gave him two extra weeks of sure fire safety, so he atleast makes it to sequester and gets paid his $750/week until the end of the game. And, also, Kaysar WANTED them all to vote him out. He told ALL of them to vote him out because he didn't know if the other side was going to change their minds and try and get out Janelle, so he didn't want to risk it. He told them to vote him out -- James was the only one who went against that and voted Janelle out. Howie did what Kaysar wanted, especially since Kaysar was adamant about it not being a tie vote because he did not want Maggie making the decision. It was Kaysar's choice to go out that way, not Howie's. And sure, Howie went up to Jen's room, but what does that mean? Did he sit down and say, "Okay, Jen, you have to go after Kaysar and Janelle because they are much, much stronger then me," like James did when Maggie won? NO. He congratulated her and that's it. He didn't sell out any member of his group or try and make her put any member of his group on the block before him. You just seem to be misinterpreting everything that Howie does. You seem to think that because he doesn't want the Core to hate him that he's disloyal. Everything he has done has been under the orders of Kaysar. Kaysar told Howie to vote Kaysar out. That was not disloyal in any way, shape, of form. Kaysar also told Howie, Rachel, and Janelle that if they won HoH, they needed to get out James or Sarah. Everyone is saying it's a stupid move, but once again, it's what Kaysar told them to do. Howie's not a traitor, either, because in order to be traitor, he would have to be giving away the secrets of his group to the Core -- which he doesn't do. Like I said, wanting them to like him doesn't make him disloyal. All the members of the Outcasts need to take a number for Howie's book and make the Core like them. THe only reson that Howie ISN'T an immediate target is because all the members of the Core like him and think he's funny. They know he's on the other side, and they know they'll need to get him out eventually, but he's the last person from that side of the fence that they want gone.