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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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I really think it is Locke. The 'antham' is just to throw us off, I think. He wouldn't leave the island, which means if he was forced to he would probably kill himself back in the real word. He probably is hated by everyone else because he killed Naomi, and other stuff that will happen in the next three seasons. The 'him' that Kate is going back to is Sawyer.
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Fri May 25, 2007 9:22 am |
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Jedi Master Carr
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I don't see Locke leaving the island he probably die before being taken off. As for Jacob well we have to see what he or it first. I guess it could be Michael with the alias. He might have hid under a different name after he left the island. Not sure how Jack would know that though.
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Fri May 25, 2007 10:35 am |
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm Posts: 92093 Location: Bonn, Germany
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Just saw it. It was...well, astounding. Not the best finale I have ever seen (that'd be "24": Season 1), but certainly the best Lost season finale and one of the best Lost episodes ever.
I still liked the first season more, simply because the third was tarnished by the first six episodes I was rather "meh" about. In the final third of the season, it rebounded BIG TIME. The last three episodes were clear A-material.
Like Snrub, I loved the music in this episode.
The huge "flash-forward"-twist...I guessed it very early on in the episode, but it didn't take away from its genius. I just noticed that it didn't fit in any of Jack's timelines. The ending was great. Looks like the promised "five major deaths" didn't come true, but I am not upset over that. Charlie dying was sad enough.
And, yeah...that Mikhail guy seems invincible, hehe. I somehow still hold out hope for him to re-appear again.
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Fri May 25, 2007 11:22 am |
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Mister Ecks
New Server, Same X
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:07 pm Posts: 28301 Location: ... siiiigh...
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Well, it seems silly that Mikhail would kill Charlie by killing himself at the same time. He could have just grabbed a gun and shot them both.
I would say he's alive and well. Somehow.
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Fri May 25, 2007 12:36 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
Extraordinary
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Barricade wrote: Jedi Master Carr wrote: I don't see Locke leaving the island he probably die before being taken off. As for Jacob well we have to see what he or it first. I guess it could be Michael with the alias. He might have hid under a different name after he left the island. Not sure how Jack would know that though. Maybe he was forced to. I think it just has to be Locke. It makes sense....right now. Maybe things will change in the next season, but I don't know.
I just don't see them killing Locke in that way. He is too important of a character. I think he makes it to the end of the series right now. If he could survive Ben shooting him, I think he will be fine. I think it be more likely Ben than Locke. Although they would have to force Ben off the island.
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Fri May 25, 2007 1:45 pm |
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Squee
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:01 pm Posts: 13270 Location: Yuppieville
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Well see, Jedi, if Locke is the one in the casket, he WILL make it to the end of the series. I don't think the series is going to be taken off the island except in flashbacks/flash forwards.
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Fri May 25, 2007 2:26 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40593
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I don't think the Lostaways are getting off the island right now anyways, Naomi's boat is not there for rescue. There's still 3 more seasons of the show after all and loose ends are still there, I think they're going to get fucked over again.
One thing overlooked in the finale and last couple episodes of the season is Sawyer's descent. He wrongly killed the first man, that messed him up. He kills the real Mr. Sawyer, he stops using nicknames and starts acting disturbed. He does it for a 3rd time by killing Tom needlessly, this shows that murder now no longer affects him, he'll do it at will and he's starting to spiral.
I think this is an arc the producers probably planned from his first flashback, and like Squee said I'm not convinced Sawyer in the next 3 seasons doesn't become a bad person. I think Jack would still have a reaction to his death, but by then Kate could hate him... He would also have no friends come to his funeral for sure. I think the producers with Kate's reaction and words may be intentionally throwing us off by thinking its Locke, just so it would be a bigger shock if Sawyer turns to the dark side... I think Richard and Ben may have planned this out too by setting up the real Mr. Sawyer murder, they know he could potentially spiral down and become useful for their side. But that's just random guessing.
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Fri May 25, 2007 2:34 pm |
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A. G.
Draughty
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:23 am Posts: 13347
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I don't think the killing of Tom was needless. The Others have repeatedly shown that they will squirm their way back to having the upper hand. As long as Tom was alive there was a chance he'd escape and cause hell for them.
I find it interesting that there's not much talk about what Locke meant when he said Jack wasn't supposed to do that. And what did Ben mean when he specified "living" people when he said who would die if Jack picked up the phone.
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Fri May 25, 2007 2:41 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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Archie Gates wrote: I don't think the killing of Tom was needless. The Others have repeatedly shown that they will squirm their way back to having the upper hand. As long as Tom was alive there was a chance he'd escape and cause hell for them.
I find it interesting that there's not much talk about what Locke meant when he said Jack wasn't supposed to do that. And what did Ben mean when he specified "living" people when he said who would die if Jack picked up the phone.
Well isn't the "You're not supposed to do that" line kind of the whole point of the flash-forward, other than the shock value. Something happens to Jack and co. when the leave the island, that's why he's screwed up. They're messed up somehow after leaving the island.
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Fri May 25, 2007 2:50 pm |
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A. G.
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I'm not sure what you mean. Locke's your not supposed to do that line (or whatever the exact words were) came when he was holding the gun on Jack when Jack wanted to pick up the phone. It didn't tie in to the flashforward to me.
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Fri May 25, 2007 2:53 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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I assume Locke means they're not supposed to get off the island, or at the very least they're not supposed to get off in that way... Ben didn't want people to leave for a reason. Walt may have (or probably) gave Locke some information we don't know yet. Maybe Des screwed with destiny by pushing the Looking Glass deal with Charlie through his flashbacks and this wasn't suppoed to happen, or yada yada. That's just questions for next year.
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Fri May 25, 2007 3:03 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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I still don't think they will cover 3 seasons of the resuce. It will take 3 weeks to get them off the island at the most. This is my guess at what will play out
Season 4 will be rescure with flashfoward backs
Season 5 They have to go back to the island
Season 6 End Game
That is what I think will happen. I can't see three years of covering a month of time.
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Fri May 25, 2007 6:11 pm |
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Squee
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:01 pm Posts: 13270 Location: Yuppieville
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I think season 4 is that it isn't actually a rescue. It's what Ben warned about.
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Fri May 25, 2007 6:13 pm |
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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Archie Gates wrote: And what did Ben mean when he specified "living" people when he said who would die if Jack picked up the phone.
He could be referring to Jacob, who's not really 'living'.
I don't think they're leaving the island at any point in the show. They're not going to get rescued next year, I think they're gonna have to team up with the remaining Others to take on the supposed rescuers (who I think is Dharma or the Widmore company) who will invade the island. I think this is the end of the Others as we know them, much like last season's finale was the end of the hatch.
I also think the final twist in the show right at the end is that the remaining castaways will have a chance to be rescued and refuse to take it, thereby changing the dark future shown in Jack's flashforward.
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Fri May 25, 2007 6:47 pm |
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trixster
loyalfromlondon
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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Also, according to Lostpedia, the newspaper Jack tore the article from was an issue of the L.A. Times from April 5, 2007. But the article mentions the 'Grand Avenue' project in L.A., which isn't scheduled to be finished until 2010. So it's anybody's guess when the flash-forward is supposed to take place. The island stuff took place on December 22 + 23, 2004. So I guess next season's premiere will deal with Christmas... 
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Fri May 25, 2007 7:58 pm |
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roo
invading your spaces
Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 10:44 pm Posts: 6194
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I liked Juliet's look on her face after Sawyer shot Tom.
It was kind of like a, "Oh shit, what have I gotten myself into".
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Sat May 26, 2007 3:18 am |
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A. G.
Draughty
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There was an article about season finales in my local paper today that included something you all might find interesting:
The show's first villain was a mystery. As Michael Emerson, the actor who plays Ben, told me a few weeks ago, the villain was "the Island with a capital 'I'." Sometimes it was polar bears. Other times it was black smoke.
Emerson's Ben, the shifty leader of the Others, later became the show's bad guy. "People need a personified villain," he said.
But he referenced an impending conflict on the show that would redfefine his character. "The day will come when we will find out who he's really fighting. And it will make your hair stand on end. You'll wish Ben had been badder."
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Sat May 26, 2007 7:20 pm |
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Snrub
Vagina Qwertyuiop
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:14 pm Posts: 8767 Location: Great Living Standards
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After having some trouble with the second hour, I've finally watched the whole season finale. It was damn good. Hard to believe that at the beginning of this year I'd given up on the show only to come back and find myself loving it more than ever.
I was also pleased to see the nanny who gets dragged around the hospital room in Wes Craven's New Nightmare as the blonde chick in the looking glass hatch. I always thought it was a shame she never got more work.
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Sun May 27, 2007 8:30 am |
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roo
invading your spaces
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According to a source reporting to AICN, Season 4 will feature both flash backs and flash forwards.
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Sun May 27, 2007 2:45 pm |
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Snrub
Vagina Qwertyuiop
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andaroo wrote: According to a source reporting to AICN, Season 4 will feature both flash backs and flash forwards.
Makes sense, I suppose. There's only so much they can show you from the future before you're able to string all the pieces together.
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Sun May 27, 2007 2:57 pm |
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A. G.
Draughty
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It would be funny if Jack doesn't really live to get off the island, that what happens is the spirit on the island, Jacob/smoke monster, whatever it is, uses Jack's body as a host, and perhaps Kate's too. And that's what they mean by saying they were never supposed to get off.
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Sun May 27, 2007 3:05 pm |
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roo
invading your spaces
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Snrub wrote: andaroo wrote: According to a source reporting to AICN, Season 4 will feature both flash backs and flash forwards. Makes sense, I suppose. There's only so much they can show you from the future before you're able to string all the pieces together.
I see a very Terminator 2 type ending for this series... like they'll try to stop something happening that's bad... maybe the world starts to fall to pieces and they find some way to "go back" and change things. Maybe the last shot of the series will be them being rescued with the open ended possibility of them avoiding their future.
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Sun May 27, 2007 3:05 pm |
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Chris
life begins now
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:09 pm Posts: 6480 Location: Columbus, Ohio
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Has anyone heard about the Lost course at Tufts University? Seems awesome. There's a link to the syllabus and everything.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/s ... index.html
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Tue May 29, 2007 2:28 am |
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Jonathan
Begging Naked
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:07 pm Posts: 14737 Location: The Present (Duh)
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Libs wrote: Seriously, y'all. FEBRUARY?! A woman who discovered she is pregnant today will be HAVING THE CHILD when Lost comes back. That maeks it seem so freaking far from now.
Are you trying to tell us something, Libs?
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Tue May 29, 2007 6:18 pm |
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MovieDude
Where will you be?
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The boat absolutely is what Ben warned about - if it's not an extermination crew, it's at least going to cause new problems for our Losties.
I loved the finale, although it's not my favorite episode ever or anything. Could've used another death considering I had heard five, but I'll be soo happy if the fucking Russian is finally done for.
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Wed May 30, 2007 5:10 am |
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