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Loyal
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 Re: The "Lost" Thread: Season 5
Libs wrote: This must mean that Danielle recognized Jin when the islanders first encountered her. Or am I not understanding how the time shifts work?
That only works if you believe the writers knew what they were doing when Jin and Dani first met. I think the time travel stuff wasn't part of the original plan.
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Jedi Master Carr
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 Re: The "Lost" Thread: Season 5
loyalfromlondon wrote: Libs wrote: This must mean that Danielle recognized Jin when the islanders first encountered her. Or am I not understanding how the time shifts work?
That only works if you believe the writers knew what they were doing when Jin and Dani first met. I think the time travel stuff wasn't part of the original plan. Of course at the same Danielle was crazy as a loon. I am not sure if she would have remembered Jin.
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trixster
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I do like that they haven't forgotten about the Frenchies or Jin. But I still don't know how they're gonna reconcile all this time travel stuff.
What if Locke had ran into his other self? What would've happened? Would the universe implode? Or would the island time shift before that could happen?
Ugh. Time travel always fucks things up.
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roo
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 Re: The "Lost" Thread: Season 5
Jedi Master Carr wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: Libs wrote: This must mean that Danielle recognized Jin when the islanders first encountered her. Or am I not understanding how the time shifts work?
That only works if you believe the writers knew what they were doing when Jin and Dani first met. I think the time travel stuff wasn't part of the original plan. Of course at the same Danielle was crazy as a loon. I am not sure if she would have remembered Jin. The time travel stuff is all over the seasons if you go back and watch them, and they always claimed they would get back to Rousseau's story. So yeah, I think the time travel stuff has always been there, whether or not they picked up Jin as part of the original "plan" I'm not so sure about.
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roo
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Libs wrote: Does anyone else miss Emilie de Ravin and Claire? I mean, I know Claire is still technically "on the island" (or sitting with Jacob or whatever she was doing when we left her) but it's been confirmed she won't be appearing at all this season. I believe Claire to be "part of the island" like the Others or maybe dead (not sure all the Others are dead though). Seems like Jacob's chosen flock travel with the island and everyone outside that circle does not.
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Shack
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Lost has entered "let's do this... that'd be awesome!" "And then what about this... the audience would go crazy!" "Let's put in this twist... they'll never see it coming" mode
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Libs
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Shack wrote: Lost has entered "let's do this... that'd be awesome!" "And then what about this... the audience would go crazy!" "Let's put in this twist... they'll never see it coming" mode They're not putting in stuff for the sole purpose of shocking people. The show has a confirmed end date. It's building towards that. I think you're speaking of Heroes. Except hardly anyone cares about that show anymore.
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:52 pm |
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Loyal
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roo wrote: The time travel stuff is all over the seasons if you go back and watch them. Is there a website anywhere that talks about how time travel has fit into the show since the start? Just curious as it would be an interesting read.
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MovieDude
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Jin being alive is a pretty shameless move. This episode felt more like an in-between, and while I like the show, I was not very impressed this go around.
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Jedi Master Carr
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 Re: The "Lost" Thread: Season 5
trixster wrote: I do like that they haven't forgotten about the Frenchies or Jin. But I still don't know how they're gonna reconcile all this time travel stuff.
What if Locke had ran into his other self? What would've happened? Would the universe implode? Or would the island time shift before that could happen?
Ugh. Time travel always fucks things up. I say the universe would implode because it would be a paradox.
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greasedlightning
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Flava'd wrote: Libs wrote: Flava'd wrote: I bet Juliet killed herself.
Where's the dharma shark? What? The person she shot on the other boat. You know that's gonna end tragically. i donno.. i was thinking... the boats had the water bottles from that airline, and maybe when time shifted, it shifted into the future and those boats were possibly carrying the oceanic 6 back onto the island.. and perhaps it was them, or some of them, chasing after juliet, sawyer, et al and it was one of them she shot down. but i don't quite understand how the time shifting works either, and as they have only gone to the past, maybe that's the only time they can go. idk idk. and did anyone notice how when it rained on the island when time shifted, it was pouring in present day LA when kate & jack were in the car, even though it wasnt when they pulled into the lot. i thought that was kinda weird
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Loyal
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From TV Guide Quote: Rivaling Locke's reaction upon running into a twentysomething Charles Widmore on the island, Lost's Jin is in the midst of a double-take of his own, having been fished out of the drink, alive, by a young Danielle Rousseau. Asked to weigh on his character's twist-filled reintroduction, Daniel Dae Kim tells TVGuide.com, "I was happy with the way they did that, for sure!"
Jin now is left to piece together for himself what  and when  is going on here. Is his English good enough to communicate with his rescuers and fashion some answers? "That is a very interesting question," says Kim. "Watching Jin's journey with English over the next few episodes will be ... very interesting."
Jin's wife, Sun  as well as many Lost fans who should know better by now  presumed him dead when the freighter exploded with him seemingly on it. And that's how the Lost bosses wanted it. Ergo, they purposely omitted Kim from the Season 5 cast photo.
Participating in the months-long deception was no biggie for Kim. "They assured me from the beginning that it didn't mean anything more than exactly what it was  a ruse," he says. "I just kept my head down, did my work and let them worry about that stuff."
Now that's he's "officially" back, Kim will be digitally re-inserted into the aforementioned publicity photo. "At least that's what I'm being told will happen," he says with a laugh. "I mean, I was at that shoot." that's pretty awesome.
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Mau
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This season is becoming my favorite 
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:32 pm |
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MovieDude wrote: Jin being alive is a pretty shameless move. This episode felt more like an in-between, and while I like the show, I was not very impressed this go around. Yeah that. Totally felt like a set up for something better. This episode didn't do a thing for me after the pretty awesome previous one.
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A. G.
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This is easily my favorite season. This last episode was filler and low key but was still a lot of fun. It's not 24, don't expect the same thing every week, this show understands you have to mix it up some. The combination of characters they have left on the island is great, and while I'm not as thrilled with the Oceanic 6 at least they aren't having them waste time as much as they used to. The pacing, editing and all that seem sharper this year. Jin being alive makes sense given that they have made it repeatedly clear that you don't die till the island wants you to and since they all have to go back to reverse something, it may want him alive for that reason. I think some people have built up season 1 too much. It was good fun but was about 50% pointless filler backstory, stalling basically. It was well done backstory, but let's not overpraise it. They were just taking a long, slow introduction because back then they wanted to last many years. As to whether or not they mapped it all out in advance from day one, who cares? I've lost track of how many good writers I've heard say they don't map their stories all out in advance, they believe in emergence, in discovering it as you go. Which is what they probably did here till around the end of season 2 when they sat down and decided things more exactly. Is the series flawed? Sure, for one thing the brutal killing of Alex last season was just too dark for me and turned me off the show for a while. But to quote one "Loyalfromlondon," all great movies are flawed. That's true for TV too. I didn't intend to go on this long... 
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Loyal
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I never said that!
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Dr. Lecter
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roo wrote: So yeah, I think the time travel stuff has always been there, whether or not they picked up Jin as part of the original "plan" I'm not so sure about.
I agree. If you think about it...there were always things/people appearing and disappearing during the past seasons without any explanation and I think time travel is an explanation. Will the whole time travel idea be completely free of logic holes? Hell, no, that's impossible. But they're doing a rather solid job at it right now (unlike, say, Heroes).
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Dr. Lecter
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I like the season so far. The first two episodes were brilliant, the other two were solid, though not as great. The reveal of Widmore on the island was probably the single best moment of the season so far.
As many have already said, the Oceanic 6 stuff is rather lame, but in contrast, everything on the island is all kinds of awesome. I like that they brought Danielle "back". I also was sure that Jin would come back as well, no way they'd off two such major characters in a single episode that is not a series finale...and Michael clearly was a goner.
I hope Charlotte survives. I really like her and Faraday together.
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Loyal
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Dr. Lecter wrote: roo wrote: So yeah, I think the time travel stuff has always been there, whether or not they picked up Jin as part of the original "plan" I'm not so sure about.
I agree. If you think about it...there were always things/people appearing and disappearing during the past seasons without any explanation and I think time travel is an explanation. I don't really want to rewatch season 1 and 2 but are there examples?
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A. G.
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The biggest problem with the overall plot for me is what happened to all the kids. They need to come up with a satisfactory explanation which I think is going to be hard to do.
As to time travel and season 1, this probably isn't what the others are talking about but there was Locke getting a sudden vision of a plane crashing which has just been explained. He saw it crash while time traveling.
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greasedlightning
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Archie Gates wrote: The biggest problem with the overall plot for me is what happened to all the kids. They need to come up with a satisfactory explanation which I think is going to be hard to do. Yes, I was thinking about this last episode, too. They took them to experiment on them, I'm assuming, but what actually happened? Did they all die? I dont get it. Wasn't there a scene in the earlier seasons with two characters hiding in the forest and the Others walk past them, and there are the legs of kids dragging a teddy bear, or am I making that up? Idk, but I do hope they answer that, although I feel like it might be one of those mysteries that goes unanswered.
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Archie Gates wrote: As to time travel and season 1, this probably isn't what the others are talking about but there was Locke getting a sudden vision of a plane crashing which has just been explained. He saw it crash while time traveling.  That's right! Wow. I wonder if we'll figure out any scenes from earlier seasons where one character was acting really off, and it turning out to be someone from the future.
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They say there's gonna be ALOT of pay-off from random things from previous seasons and season 1 next year.
I think the kids thing is way too big an issue to remain unresolved. It will probably be addressed. And the human remains they found in the caves? I think they're still gonna reveal those too.
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Loyal
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I just hope I get to see a polar bear cub.
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Dr. Lecter
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Daniel Dae Kim talks the bomb and the smoke monster: Actor Daniel Dae Kim, who plays Jin in ABC's "Lost," has said that the origin and nature of the Smoke Monster will be disclosed soon and viewers will even get a glimpse of its lair. Turns out the monster is as "old as the island."
Kim also cautioned against expectations that his character, Jin, will reunite with his wife, Sun (Yunjin Kim), even though Jin survived a freighter explosion and Sun returns to the island after escaping it.
Those events don't mean "they're particularly in the same place or chronologically in the same time," Kim said.
As for the atomic bomb that showed up in the "Jughead" episode, he said the show's producers rarely give something such prominence unless it counts in the island's mythology.
"That's a huge red herring if it's a red herring," Kim said, suggesting the bomb could help resolve plot points as the series ends in 2010.http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=52800
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