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Krem
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Illinois bans the death penalty
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/ ... TR20110309Quote: The governor of Illinois signed a law on Wednesday abolishing capital punishment, an issue that has roiled the state since revelations of wrongful convictions led to a decade-long moratorium on executions.
When the law signed by Democratic Governor Pat Quinn takes effect on July 1, Illinois will become the fourth state in the past two years after New York, New Jersey and New Mexico to dispense with the death penalty.
The ultimate punishment will still be an option in 34 states and for federal inmates. Most Western democracies no longer carry out executions. Good news!
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Argos
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
Grill, do you approve?
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Proud Ryu
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
Good, good. From George Fucking Ryan to Rod Blago piece of shit, we could use some decent govt.
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Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:26 pm |
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Chippy
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
Ew
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Groucho
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
Excellent.
This is how I first heard of Obama, by the way. Back when he was a State Senator in Illinois, he's the one who convinced the Republican governor at the time to put a hold on the death penalty. Glad to see they made it permanent.
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Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:35 pm |
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Krem
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
Ironically, Obama is a death penalty supporter now.
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Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:40 pm |
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Tyler
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
He also supported gay marriage in the late 90s.
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Caius
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
He also supports brutalizing Bradly Manning. Glenn Greenwald (who I normally dislike) at Salon (emphasis not in original): Quote: [citing the NYT] Manning will be forced to be nude every night from now on for the indefinite future -- not only when he sleeps, but also when he stands outside his cell for morning inspection along with the other brig detainees...
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Let's review Manning's detention over the last nine straight months: 23-hour/day solitary confinement; barred even from exercising in his cell; one hour total outside his cell per day where he's allowed to walk around in circles in a room alone while shackled, and is returned to his cell the minute he stops walking; forced to respond to guards' inquiries literally every 5 minutes, all day, everyday; and awakened at night each time he is curled up in the corner of his bed or otherwise outside the guards' full view. Is there anyone who doubts that these measures -- and especially this prolonged forced nudity -- are punitive and designed to further erode his mental health, physical health and will? As The Guardian reported last year, forced nudity is almost certainly a breach of the Geneva Conventions; the Conventions do not technically apply to Manning, as he is not a prisoner of war, but they certainly establish the minimal protections to which all detainees -- let alone citizens convicted of nothing -- are entitled. More here: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/03/05/manningAs for Illinois, good for them, although I generally loathe anti-death penalty advocates, even though I I am philosophically against it too.
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Tyler
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
There's not much to like about anyone in power.
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Rev
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
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Groucho
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
yeah, I wish Senator Obama were still in Congress. He'd fight against these policies of President Obama!
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Barrabás
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
34 States?? That's embarrassing. Murder (yes I consider it murder) as punishment has no place in a country's laws.
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Argos
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
Barrabás wrote: 34 States?? That's embarrassing. Murder (yes I consider it murder) as punishment has no place in a country's laws. What makes it so much worse than lifelong deprivation of liberty?
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Caius
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
Argos wrote: Barrabás wrote: 34 States?? That's embarrassing. Murder (yes I consider it murder) as punishment has no place in a country's laws. What makes it so much worse than lifelong deprivation of liberty? That is actually one of the reasons that I favor life in prison. Also, I have read that it is cheaper than executions and even in states that have the death penalty, they are extremely rare. Except maybe Texas and in that case it only seems to occur more relative to other states.
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Groucho
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
As someone who works in the criminal justice system, I must point out that our system is not perfect. Innocent people get found guilty and guilty people get found innocent all the time.
Therefore, I believe that when you don't have a system that is 100% perfect, you should not have a penalty that is 100% irreversible.
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Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:51 pm |
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Caius
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
Groucho wrote: As someone who works in the criminal justice system, I must point out that our system is not perfect. Innocent people get found guilty and guilty people get found innocent all the time.
Therefore, I believe that when you don't have a system that is 100% perfect, you should not have a penalty that is 100% irreversible. That is pretty much my position on the issue as well.
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Argos
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
Do you have any statistics on how many innocent people were sentenced to death and how many to a life in prison?
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Barrabás
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
Argos wrote: Barrabás wrote: 34 States?? That's embarrassing. Murder (yes I consider it murder) as punishment has no place in a country's laws. What makes it so much worse than lifelong deprivation of liberty? If the person is found not to be guilty, they can be freed. At least some damage can be prevented. But death is final. I'm not too keen on lifelong prison either, and I only think lifelong deprivation of liberty should be enforced in the case an individual is a legitimate threat to people and his deprivation of liberty is necessary to protect others.
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BK
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
If you can prove without a doubt that whomever is a killer, I think they should get the death penalty. Doesn't America still use the jury? If it's 12-0 then enforce it.
There are hundreds of cases of repetitive misbehaviour especially from rapists and paedophiles because the system is so badly run, if you can't protect your citizens upon release of these criminals, why let them back on the street? I find fault with people who want to give these people a second chance, especially paedophiles, unless you're a serial killer you may not kill again, but sex crimes will never be truly out of their system. Letting innocent children and women be taken advantage of again and again just so you can give a criminal a second chance? Fuck that. Imagine it was your child that was raped and assaulted, having to live forever with that trauma, and you tell him or her, I let your perpetrator go so he may do it again. Fuck you people.
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BK
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
Nathaniel Bar-Jonah: Recently, Bar-Jonah, 45, was charged in Montana with killing a 10-year-old boy, Zachary Ramsey, cutting him up, and using the body parts for stews. He had a history of sexual offenses against young boys, as well as hanging one from a kitchen ceiling, and he kept hundreds of photographs of children in his apartment. When he was arrested, he was impersonating a police officer outside an elementary school, and he was carrying a stun gun and pepper spray.
Fuck the system.
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
Even jury's convict people with no murder weapon, no dna, no fibers, no nothing but sometimes confessions and extremely circumstantial evidence.
My thought is that if there is any doubt as to who the killer(s) is the it should be Life otherwise Hang'em.
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
nghtvsn wrote: My thought is that if there is any doubt as to who the killer(s) is the it should be Life [...] I think it should be freedom instead.
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Groucho
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
nghtvsn wrote: Even jury's convict people with no murder weapon, no dna, no fibers, no nothing but sometimes confessions and extremely circumstantial evidence.
My thought is that if there is any doubt as to who the killer(s) is the it should be Life. Not in America. Here we have "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" not "probably, but I have my doubts."
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Bradley Witherberry
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Re: Illinois bans the death penalty
Here's my post from another thread which seems relevant here: Bradley Witherberry wrote: The blog DaringFireball.net has an illuminating quote from none other than good old John Adams today: "It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, 'whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection,' and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever."
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