I don't want anyone to be confused as to what is going on here. I am a little distressed that Mav has decided to take the path he has, and I am not fond of riddles he is playing with you all.

I do not play riddles. I have nothing to hide. So you are all about to be brought up to speed, and you can decide on your own.


As many of you know, this forum is a close knit group. With such a close group of people, interacting constantly, and getting to know each other rather well ... fights break out. It is alot like high school, both in pettyness, and pointlessness. We have had our share of fights. Some carried over from BOM to WoKJ, others started fresh right here.


The fight in question, and the issue that has left Mav upset, and with no faith in the moderating team, involves him and Loyalfromlondon. They are two of our best posters, both very intelligent, both elders on these boards, and both respected very much by myself and the rest of the mod team.

When the fighting broke out among them, baba struck out, and reached a compromise with both members ... it was as follows:





This all took place quite a while ago. Things settled down.

After the poster awards, Loyal sent Mav a blank email off the boards. He did not use the boards to send the email, he did not PM the email. It was done via his AOL account to Mav's Email account. The email only contained a subject line saying: "can you believe i won best overall poster? Shocking, I know"

Mav felt this was a breach of the guidelines we set up. We investigated.

Baba approached Loyal, and had this AIM conversation with him:



The Mod team had a lenghty discussion on the issue. We discussed it calmly. We discussed it maturely. When I felt the discussion had run its course, I put it to a vote. The vote while not unanimous, was an overwhelming majority in favor of a single course of action.

The mod team is:

Me
Baba
Baumer
torrino
zingaling
libs
xiayun
makeshift
mikeq.

I have every faith in every one of the moderators/admins on this board. They are some of the brightest people I know, and we discussed this as best we could.

The decsision was made, and I PM'd both parties involved.

PM to Mav:



PM to Loyal:




Mav's Response:




As you can see, Mav is upset with our decsision.

I completly understand where Mav is coming from, I just happen to feel that he is misconstruing some things, making the situation worse in his mind than it really is. I am hoping he is willing to talk about this logically and as an adult, so we can settle this issue.

It should be known that I respect both of these posters. Loyal and Mav are two of the best posters anywhere on the net, to lose either one would be a sad day in the breif history of this site.


I reserve the right to delete any pointless posts in this thread, please make your post a worthwhile contribution, without insults, without name calling or side picking. If you fail to do so, your comments will be deleted so that members may browse this topic and ask questions until they feel they understand the situation, and our course of action

Mav. I will ask you once again, please keep your post a worthwhile contribution. without insults. Without name calling or rude remarks.

If you fail to do so, your comments will be deleted so that members may browser this topic and ask questions until they feel they understand the situation.

If you would like to reference a PM, please be more clear on both the situation and what happened. Conspiracy theories will just make you look less intelligent than you really are. I would appreciate it if you could speak in facts, rather than make baseless assumptions.

Why delete it when a point blank question was asked? Why don't you post the PM that you sent me, accussing me of being the problem, defending loyal, telling me I was a bad member, and that nothing would be done about loyal? Telling me that the reason he baits and starts trouble was because I'm an easy target or because maybe he doesn't like me, when the rules state...

But if a member is purposely found bothering a poster again and again just because you feel they think they have the right to say what they feel like, it will not fly well with the moderators and administrators here. Action will be taken against that member.

Where was the rules when they applied to this situation? Nowhere, but you came up with some other stuff to excuse him and blame me.

You said you have nothing to hide, so show it all. Then, tell me about how long you had those early screenings planned, because they came up right after that agreement, and right after your PM to me. Excuse me for not even considering it a coincidence. I would say the chances of him getting banned were never even being considered. Ban loyal or get 2 exclusive reviews of summer movies? Hmmm...

Yes Mav, because the two exclusive reviews are going to bring me loads of cash, and I can go out and buy that fancy new car I have always wanted!

I could really care less about exclusives. The only reason we try so damn hard is because the forums simply won't survive unless we can bring new people in. End of story.

As for the PM, you said this exact same thing about the same PM to arsi not to long ago. You got them all riled up, wondering how I could say things like "your a bad member" and what not. I sent the PM to him, and he agreed you painted a false light on the whole thing. It all comes back to you misconstruing the facts. I beg of you to post the PM.

I thought I had posted the PM in the mod forum, I looked through all of my posts there, it was not in there.

If you have the PM, please post it.

I will continue looking, but doubt I have it.

I no longer have it, and it doesn't surprise me that bABA sided with you, but I did share it with one person, and I doubt that person will come forward, but I'll bet they saw the exact thing that I saw.

Question.

While me and loyal were having problems, and he was starting stuff quite a bit, who decided to bring him into a private forum with the mods to play a ill thought out prank on me (and others)? At the time, you told me that only Tony was involved, not loyal, but I found out the truth, of course. Why lie, and why bring a member into something like that when there were serious problems going on between him and another member?

When you did that, did you consider how I might feel about it, or was that not even considered, as the priority was the buddy system?

Nope. It was not considered at all.

I don't even remember why loyal was brough into the April fools joke to be honest. I believe it was we believed we needed a few regular non mod members to help make the members think it was real, and we wanted a few respected members.

Tony and Loyal are both respected members.

He was then given permission to enter Rouge's forum. A private forum that Rouge was using to keep track of his game, I can't remembr the name of it. Anyways, Loyal was let in on the joke to help us out ... the whole thing turned into a mess.

Mav, your issue with loyal is just that ... your issue. We delt with the situation then, and thought we had resolved it, we moved on, after you found out loyal was allowed in on the joke, you got upset. I am sorry you felt that way, no harm was intended.

As for your other person who has seen the PM ... I swear I posted it in the Mod forum for everyone to see anyways. Noone that I remembr said anything other than something allong the lines of you misconstruing what I said.

umm mav .. this entire thing about screenings planned? give it a rest. this was explained to you as well. you think those screenings meant something to us? yes .. they did but they ended up getting us into a bit of trouble and for a time, i had even told loyal that i won't be posting them up. ofcourse, at the end of the day, we decided against it. i don't share all the info with you nor do i have to so you can continue making these assumptions beforehand. the star wars screening was something everyone had known about. and loyal did so independantly without any of us sitting down for our monday cup of tea breakfast.

The mods have absolutely no credibility to decide anything, and I'll just use your boy's words as all the proof I need, and you can tell me how you feel about it.

Loyalfromlondon: I'd heard via mods how pissed off Mav was over the entire award situation. I was in the process of dealing with it, and the damn email was forwarded before I finished it. A blank email, really. If the subject line read Fuck Off or something, maybe. No malicious intent really.

First of all, I never commented to the mods about the awards. I wasn't even here, so I'm assuming he's talking about my issues with the mods, I understand shared a private forum with him, deciding to cross a serious line, and talk loosely with one member against the other. As you can see, when you would tell me that I was wrong, I wasn't. There is definitely a conflict of interest, and as the administrator, you're responsible for that. Are you telling me that my trust wasn't violated, and are you still going to tell me that you aren't responsible for a very biased group, who proved their loyalty when they spoke with loyal about a private matter behind my back? Are you telling me that I'm wrong not to trust them?

Mav,

You decided to go behind Loyals back, PM the mods involved, and tell them that they were wrong and out of line for voting for Loyalfromlondon because he had a argument with you.

We tried to explain to you that your fight had no bearing on their personal prefernce for best poster, but you would simply not listen.

You went behind his back, talked about him, bashed on all of us mods for something so minor. This is only one of many instances where you approach us about the most minute details regarding loyal. No I have no regrets that someone mentioned it to someone because frankly, it was one of the most shallow complaints I have ever recieved.

See, that's completely inaccurate. I told the mods that they shouldn't be posting their ballots. I didn't care who they voted for, as long as they didn't put it in highlights, and when I saw who they voted for, it turned on the light bulb as to why they never did their damn jobs and said anything to him. He was their buddy. It created a conflict of interest, as they complately lost my confidence in handling anything to do with the situation, and that was valid.

Again, look at how you are excusing him and directing it at me. This has been your pattern.

Ok this has gone on long enough. Stop talking to me about freaking trust here. The mods said something to loyal about what happened? fine, you know what, it wasn't me but lets assume there was someone for a minute. you come out with blazing guns, PMing eagle about your disappointment over a certain matter. You send me a PM which i can't even understand. You leave a message in 'THe Site' about how you've lost compelte faith in the mods for them voting for loyal. I have 3 aol messages on my screen informing me of you acting immature cause you can't accept a mod's decision to put pick the person they choose. Yes, all this happens and yes, i do keep such information private from everyone. You send me countless emails a day informing me about every single post loyal may have written that may or may not be in any way an implicated attack on you. and you don't expect people to put all this together and let the person who you feel is responsible for this entire mess know about what trouble he is causing!?!??

you know what, i don't know what went on. i don't know who said what to who at which time. but after throwing such a massive fit about 2 mods nominating loyal and making it so apparently public (as i can tell from a public thread and the few messages i had received), its no wonder people ask questions. so yes, loyal knew what happened? live with it. next time you don't want people to find out whats going on, keep the entire thing under wraps and not leave your little riddles of "I've lost all faith in the mods" followed by pms all round ... cause last i checked, most of the people on this forum are human beings (the jury seems out on a few), and theres a reason why the tabloid industry is in business .. cause the word gets around.

is that why after weeks have passed, some of your arguments still involve you bitching out how the mods chose loyal and because loyal is no good, the mods can't do a proper job? you bloody well cared about who got voted for. else i wouldn't be hearing about this till today.

That's bullshit that I highlighted. You seem to tweak the facts a lot to make your story come together better, but changing the facts isn't the way to solve anything. Changing your attitude would be a start there.



Again, you are making some stuff up, so prove it. Your word doesn't count. I mentioned that to 5 people, all mods and admins, nothing more. THAT IS A FACT! Deal with it.

Is that all you told them mav?

Nope, just cared that they posted their ballots during that period without a little bit of respect. If I really cared, why haven't you or anybody heard word one about the awards from me? Can't answer that, can you?

you've taken the liberty to make your own assumptions. time for me to do the same. prove yours instead of drawing inferences from what i've said and done .. i'll attempt to do the same.

ofcourse i can answer that. you knew you're getting the same response that you got the first time.

From the mdoerator conduct thread:



not the same words but hey, like i said, i have nothign to lie about. if what i paraphrased above wasn't what you said, i'm more than willing to link up what was said.

Pretty much, yeah. As you can see, and again, I see PMs to mods are anything but private, so my trust issues continue to be validated, I clearly was pissed about posting their ballots proclaiming his greatness while they were ignoring everything he was doing.

You can bet, I'll handle him myself from here on out.

My proof is in loyal's words. He heard from MODS (plural)

and as i told you before, pms to mods about situations that require everyone's involvement WILL be posted in the mod forum.

Here how about this.

I'll say it publicly in big letters.

pms to mods about situations that require everyone's involvement WILL be posted in the mod forum.

Mav, your privacy has long since gone out the window. You opened this wormhole. You will have to deal with the fact that I am no longer willing to sit back and let you harass and lie about me and other mods. I will do whatever is nessecarry to prove that:

Me
Baba
Xiayun
MikeQ
Baumer
Zingaling
Torrino
Makeshift
Libs (though I doubt you would apply most of your insults to her)

are not all the things you say.

I assume Torrino and Zingaling will come soon enough to explain just how berated they felt after your onslaught of PM's to them. In which you insulted their age, intelligence, and trustworthyness.

Not the same words? You completely tacked on the last part to try to make your point that I said that at the forums. Case closed on that one.

What lies? Name one lie I've told about any mod.

case closed?

lost faith as opposed to complete confidence?

when i lose faith in someone, i lose my confidence too. i can put that one up for a vote if you'd like.