You're way too sensitive.

We've seen this go on for months now. I keep on telling Eagle that he's got no right to say that you need to grow "tougher skin," but this latest series of complaints (about a possibly accidental e-mail, Mav?) is nearing me closer to his side.

Look - we don't all have 24 hours to deal with your problems with loyal. We're not peer mediators. We're moderators. Our job is to look after the forum. Right now, you and loyal have some serious issues handling one another. No action - a warning, a banning, a letter to an ISP - is going to change either of your mentalities. You two need to work it out.

Don't play dumb. You know exactly what I'm referring to, and baumer will , too. You know exactly what just happened, you know exactly what you told me he would be contacting me about, and he knows exactly what he told me he wasn't involved with.

and i distinctly remember sending you a reply. try distinguishing between replies you were expecting and replies you weren't too happy with.

but if you don't wish to post it up (the inbox clearly holds more messages than the sent box).

So here, I'll attempt to say what i said back then.

when the incident took place during the award thread, i wasn't even there if we all remember. you had already started a thread or 2 and when i arrived, i didn't even know what was going on. you had already spoken with eagle so when i spoke to you, you told me that the conversation with eagle had already taken place. so whatever i got, i got from eagle. and eagle from what i remember, cause it was over a few months ago that you had mentioned something about questioning the moderators here.

This is what i'm adding to that reply i sent you
That was the end of that. What tony said .. tony knows best. it seems obvious after all these pms you don't trust me. why don't you ask the source himself to give you a reply first. or if you want, i can ask him and have him post it here for everyone.

Dude, you are a terrible mod. How many PMs of mine have you posted in the mod forum? Hell, you've even shown me stuff that was said in there via the copy and paste.

Action WILL be taken, and I'll be taking it, and there's not a goddamn thing you or anybody else is going to do about it.

Are you people fucking retarded enough to believe that an e-mail (and I don't leave an e-mail contact, so the obsessed freak is tracking down my info) found it's way into my box by accident, and that he "meant" to send a peace offering? That crossed a line. It's the responsibility of you fucks, because you've encouraged and excused that idiot.

and i'll mention again. you're the one bringing up the issues. i don't know why you want either baumer and i to retell some story first. come out and say what it was. i'm not entertaining any request that goes along the line of "remember when something happened when someone said something at some time. that was really something. why don't you tell us what that something was?" if you already know what it is, say so.

You would be surprised how constantly being lied to will break a trust, and yes, you have done quite a bit of lying, so you have nobody to blame but you. It's not my fault.

FACT: Tony was told something that was private business. Again, the honor system wasn't supported by the guilty.

Since when does posting PMs that have something to do with your issues make someone a bad mod?



Post all you want about this. I'll say it right now, Mav: I doubt people will take your side.



Innocent until proven guilty, Mav.

Oh, and by the way, that's a personal attack on loyal right there. Obsessed freak tracking down your info? That fits perfectly. Should I give you a warning for that?

This whole big discussion that you stalled on for days as you tried to think of a way to protect your fucking buddy yet again, and you goddamn know what I'm talking about. You claimed that baumer would contact me about it, baumer claims he was out of the loop. One of you is lying. Again, we can see a pattern with the way things operate around here, and lies always seem to come to the surface. Coincidence?

You actually asked that seriously? That speaks for itself.



I don't care if they do or not. I think the bad mods and admins have done enough around here to ensure that nobody will ever take my side.



Stupid is as stupid does...



By all means. Your two faced code of ethics demands that you do.

Hey, bABA, another question for you.

Why did you tell loyal to critique my analysis at the forums (as if I needed amateur advice), and make insulting comments, as if I edited it and published it myself?

ANSWER: You didn't, you were just covering for your buddy once again, because that makes absolutely no sense for you to have done that. Either way, it makes you a person of questionable character, huh?

Here's another, bABA. This is another that you were asked in private, but never answered. Remember that thread in which your pal was insulting my mom, dead brother, and lied about 10 times in which I provided links to prove he was lying in each case? Why did you delete that instead of simply locking it? Could it be that you wanted to get rid of the evidence?

Nice of you to drop by this morning, Eagle, and I see you have your smiley face on for the audience. :grin: I have some questions for you, too. Now that you have witnessed first hand for the 20th time that loyal has some serious emotional issues, as he decided to hunt down information on me that I don't provide for members here, can you tell the good people all about the PM you decided to send me awhile back? Since you are posting stuff, post that, and then we'll tell everybody how you protected and excused him, while trying to blame me, and telling me that all the mods blame me, when the truth was, you had loyal scheduled for reviewing two early screenings, Sith and Charlie. He was never going to be banned, so that bullshit agreement is just bullshit, and he has broken those, and each time, he's been excused.

a) please post the pm where baumer said hes out of the loop.
b) I said either of baumer or eagle will contact you about it. Not me.
c) Eagle contacted you.
d) what i said, happened.

well, seems like you asked the question and then replied back as well.

and you're asking me to repeat the same answers i've always given you.

a) you wrote an article.
b) Loyal found a mistake.
c) I thought i was using neostorm's copy of the article which was meant to be edited so i asked loyal to look it over and post the mistakes in that thread.
d) I was using the wrong copy
e) once the mistakes were found, those posts were deleted.
f) You threw a fit.

True story.

what evidence? The events of what took place are public knowledge for everyone here. you did start an entire thread about it.

a) no, I'll let baumer answer that for himself.

a) True
b) looking hard for one, I'm sure.
c) Didn't consider that perhaps that wasn't a good idea? Bad judgement on your part.
d) I know, I had to point that out.
e) I know, because I bitched to you to delete them
f) I was pissed that you would actually tell him to critique something at the forums as if I was the only person who touched that. I wrote it, edited it, and published it. Not that I buy it for one second that you told him to critique me at the forums under the circumstances between us.

Exactly, what evidence. You made sure that the thread was deleted, and not locked, so "what evidence".

if you did, then don't ask me to answer that question next time. if baumer said something to you, then he said it to you. yet you continue telling me i know what you're talking about and cut my bullshit. thats why i tell you to just say what you want me to say. you're not here to ask us questions you want answers to. they've already been given to you. this entire thing is about you not getting the decision you had desired and now posting things in public so you might first cause dessention within the mods and then between any poster ever talked about by the mods and finally catch us in some kind of a trap. I have nothing to hide. but the fact that you with hold information from everyone here when addressing these questions shows that this is a game for you that you want to come out on top in and finally that you have my PMs, replies and conversations to hide. I have no problems like that. I used to get anywhere between 20 to 50 PMs from you on a daily basis. i don't expect nor do i wish to remember all of them. so got a question for anyone on this forum next time, write the entire thing down, not lead us in the direction you wish to.

Oh yea .. just like in eagle's other thread, anyone wishing to reply here may do so with some contribution. a spam post here or an attempt at humor or whatever will get your post deleted.

baumer's at the forums. Just PM him and tell him to come to this thread. If he wants me to, I'll post the PM, and if he just wants to answer it himself, he can.

Another question:

When I was ignoring loyal's baiting, and we both no that he was starting every day with my threads, making some shitty comment in opposition, and you asked me to PM you the links and you would start a thread in the mod forum, why did you only provide the first two, continue accepting 20 more from me, but never post them for the mods? You really hung me out to dry there.

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Hey, don't get mad at me. I'm not the one who's always getting caught in lies, that's your buddy. After getting loyal into that forum with the mods, during the period that he and I were having problems, I think asking him to critique something I wrote AT THE FORUMS was beyond fucking retarded, so excuse me for giving you more credit than that, and assuming it was really a case of him deciding to do it on his own, and you, as always, trying to make excuses.

well i never lied to you about it.

A few i replied back to you myself. i posted 2. and yes, i did miss a few out. Again, whats the point of this? I've always admitted to the fact that i didn't post each and every one of them. i posted what i felt was relevant and as mentioned, in the abundance of messages i get from you, as far as i know, i prolly just got tired of the entire thing and skipped those. So there you.